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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9650 Posts
On October 10 2014 07:01 TheFish7 wrote: Better sell all your oil stocks guys, the glorious energy revolution is here Apparently this paper has caused some fluctuations in oil markets lol | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
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ElMeanYo
United States1032 Posts
On October 10 2014 07:26 Jockmcplop wrote: Apparently this paper has caused some fluctuations in oil markets lol Yep, in sweden anyway, where the report was first released: http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/oil2.png Here is a good article on the recently released report: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/191754-cold-fusion-reactor-verified-by-third-party-researchers-seems-to-have-1-million-times-the-energy-density-of-gasoline | ||
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woody60707
United States1863 Posts
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On October 10 2014 12:19 woody60707 wrote: So at what point does being open minded stop, and being a moron begin? That happened on page 1. | ||
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oBlade
United States5585 Posts
I thought SC lore was awesome at that time also so he and I would each lie to each other about these zerg hives of insects we had genetically engineered and had dominion over like evil geniuses. Because I had it in my head that all you needed to genetically engineer something was put a syringe in one thing and inject it into the other (or like the lie to yourself is that it's not really impossible if you don't actually try and confirm it, also I was a fucking kid). Now after you learn about science it turns out genetic engineering is possible, but is very exact subtle and requires advanced technology. So while I'm sure the Xel'Naga could do it with the zerg, I don't think even they would for a second entertain the idea that you can turn nickel into copper just by putting it in a box with hydrogen oh and it also be an exothermic reaction donating free energy to | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On October 10 2014 12:19 woody60707 wrote: So at what point does being open minded stop, and being a moron begin? With this second paper, I genuinely believe there's something happening, something that shouldn't be possible from what you and I learned in school and Uni about physics and chemistry. It's shocking. That still does not have to mean it can be used to build something that will replace everything else, but it should definitely be good enough to for example make heating a house using electricity competitive with oil and gas. | ||
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HeatEXTEND
Netherlands836 Posts
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
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Yourmomsbasement
Canada87 Posts
It'll be a sad day and the coroner's report will read something like "found with two self inflicted bullet wounds to the head." Stay strong Rossi, you'll topple the energy empire! | ||
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phil.ipp
Austria1067 Posts
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
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oBlade
United States5585 Posts
What conditions are there in this chamber of secrets that allow nuclear reactions that otherwise happen in supernovae? with none of the pesky associated radioactivity? | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On October 10 2014 22:17 oBlade wrote: The paper is a lot of nothing. There are hydrogen ions in water, that doesn't mean you can boil water on your stove, drop a penny in and watch the copper undergo nuclear transmutation into zinc. What conditions are there in this chamber of secrets that allow nuclear reactions that otherwise happen in supernovae? with none of the pesky associated radioactivity? Did you read the paper? Nickel 62 came out. Not just "hydrogen ions in water" | ||
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oBlade
United States5585 Posts
On October 11 2014 03:28 ch33psh33p wrote: Did you read the paper? Nickel 62 came out. Not just "hydrogen ions in water" I did not read every word of all ~50 pages if that's what you're asking. I'm not a professional debunker so I don't have an incentive to find every hole and piece of sophistry. My post was a little shorter but it's a pretty easy experiment that should make anyone notice how ridiculous the e-cat claim is. It is not far from putting a penny in boiling water and expecting it to turn into zinc by absorbing hydrogen ions from the water. I so wish you could just put hydrogen gas next to a metal with one of the highest nuclear binding energies on the periodic table and watch it spontaneously absorb nucleons into its nucleus with no radiation besides ANOMALOUS HEAT. But no. Cold fusion belongs only as the plot to a Hogan's Heroes episode. These claims get old fast and since "reactors" have been built there's no excuse for the absence of extraordinary evidence to complement these claims. Why aren't physics journals amazed and full of research about theoretical mechanisms for these miracle technologies? What's more likely, that the laws of nature have been turned upside down or a con man is lying? I have a device here in my | ||
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hummingbird23
Norway359 Posts
On October 11 2014 05:58 oBlade wrote: I did not read every word of all ~50 pages if that's what you're asking. I'm not a professional debunker so I don't have an incentive to find every hole and piece of sophistry. My post was a little shorter but it's a pretty easy experiment that should make anyone notice how ridiculous the e-cat claim is. It is not far from putting a penny in boiling water and expecting it to turn into zinc by absorbing hydrogen ions from the water. I so wish you could just put hydrogen gas next to a metal with one of the highest nuclear binding energies on the periodic table and watch it spontaneously absorb nucleons into its nucleus with no radiation besides ANOMALOUS HEAT. But no. Cold fusion belongs only as the plot to a Hogan's Heroes episode. These claims get old fast and since "reactors" have been built there's no excuse for the absence of extraordinary evidence to complement these claims. Why aren't physics journals amazed and full of research about theoretical mechanisms for these miracle technologies? What's more likely, that the laws of nature have been turned upside down or a con man is lying? I have a device here in my I skipped the math, since it's gibberish to me, but I think you should at least read the paper before crapping on it. That's what people who rationally analyse a claim do. The claim being tested here is that there is a device that outputs energy at a rate not accounted for by present knowledge. Your dismissal of it using plausibility on present knowledge is therefore baseless. "Doesn't fit into current models, therefore bullshit" is a pretty poor perspective to have. What's presented in the paper constitutes extraordinary evidence for which the authors cannot explain, if you have a mechanism to explain the facts reported in the paper, feel free to have a crack at it, otherwise you're the one making claims for which there is no evidence. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 11 2014 05:58 oBlade wrote: I did not read every word of all ~50 pages if that's what you're asking. I'm not a professional debunker so I don't have an incentive to find every hole and piece of sophistry. My post was a little shorter but it's a pretty easy experiment that should make anyone notice how ridiculous the e-cat claim is. It is not far from putting a penny in boiling water and expecting it to turn into zinc by absorbing hydrogen ions from the water. I so wish you could just put hydrogen gas next to a metal with one of the highest nuclear binding energies on the periodic table and watch it spontaneously absorb nucleons into its nucleus with no radiation besides ANOMALOUS HEAT. But no. Cold fusion belongs only as the plot to a Hogan's Heroes episode. These claims get old fast and since "reactors" have been built there's no excuse for the absence of extraordinary evidence to complement these claims. Why aren't physics journals amazed and full of research about theoretical mechanisms for these miracle technologies? What's more likely, that the laws of nature have been turned upside down or a con man is lying? I have a device here in my I get why people are suspicious of Rossi, but I certainly haven't seen anyone arguing that the scientists conducting these tests are corrupt. The most compelling part of the paper is the transformation of the fuel. I think someone needs to debunk that before the entire enterprise is crapped on. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On October 11 2014 08:34 hummingbird23 wrote: I skipped the math, since it's gibberish to me, but I think you should at least read the paper before crapping on it. That's what people who rationally analyse a claim do. The claim being tested here is that there is a device that outputs energy at a rate not accounted for by present knowledge. Your dismissal of it using plausibility on present knowledge is therefore baseless. "Doesn't fit into current models, therefore bullshit" is a pretty poor perspective to have. What's presented in the paper constitutes extraordinary evidence for which the authors cannot explain, if you have a mechanism to explain the facts reported in the paper, feel free to have a crack at it, otherwise you're the one making claims for which there is no evidence. It is not a paper, it is shit this guy made up having no credible source backing him up. Trying to build a fusion reactor in your kitchen is not science, it's lunacy. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On October 11 2014 08:47 Nyxisto wrote: It is not a paper, it is shit this guy made up having no credible source backing him up. Trying to build a fusion reactor in your kitchen is not science, it's lunacy. http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/191754-cold-fusion-reactor-verified-by-third-party-researchers-seems-to-have-1-million-times-the-energy-density-of-gasoline To not look like an idiot, you kinda would have to proof the "third party researchers" ("6 credible researchers from sweden and italy") as not credible. As long as you can not, you're on the same level as Rossi. Just making bs up with nothing to back your claim. PS: i do think he's an idiot, and that it's a fraud. That doesn't change the fact that there still is a possibility that i'm wrong. Your dismissal of it using plausibility on present knowledge is therefore baseless. The earth is flat though. And the sun goes around it. Sincerly, 100-500 BC. | ||
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