EPTWho did he swindle this time?
Rossi's energy catalyzer - Page 42
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
Who did he swindle this time? | ||
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
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hp.Shell
United States2527 Posts
On December 01 2013 09:22 Cascade wrote: OMG, ACKSHUAL EKWAZHUNS?!?!?! DEN MUST B TRUU!!!!! :o :o :o NO 1 CAN HAS LAIS W/ ACKSHUAL EKWAZHUNS!!!! ok, but seriously, skimming through quickly, I can't find anything helpful in that link. He refers to E=mc2 as "the einstein equation", which is a very silly thing to do outside popular literature... (this is Einstein's equation in real science) The equations he has is 1) the beta decay, which has been known for many decades. 2) A calculation of how much energy he would gain, IF the reaction he claims actually happens. Which any particle physics student can repeat. Well, the closer I look, the more lol it seems, and the less he seems to know about this... but well, not surprised.  That's nice. I just skimmed it and decided others may wish to do the same. There was no need to degrade or attack me as you decided to utilize the resource I provided for you. | ||
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ElMeanYo
United States1032 Posts
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On December 01 2013 13:11 hp.Shell wrote: That's nice. I just skimmed it and decided others may wish to do the same. There was no need to degrade or attack me as you decided to utilize the resource I provided for you. Yes, you are right, sorry. Guess I incorrectly grouped you with the believers, my bad. Good job on digging it up. I'll go and tone down my post a bit. :o) | ||
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Millitron
United States2611 Posts
On December 01 2013 15:13 ElMeanYo wrote: Don't despair hopefuls. LENR is real and is the future of Energy production, regardless of what happens with Rossi. Really? But a reactor based on LENR has never been built. It's not even known if one could be built, regardless of if Cold Fusion is real. I would place my bets for "the future of Energy production" on Thorium, specifically LFTR's. LFTR's have actually been built and produced power. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LFTR | ||
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hp.Shell
United States2527 Posts
On December 02 2013 04:44 Millitron wrote: Really? But a reactor based on LENR has never been built. It's not even known if one could be built, regardless of if Cold Fusion is real. I would place my bets for "the future of Energy production" on Thorium, specifically LFTR's. LFTR's have actually been built and produced power. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LFTR That's a neat article. Didn't know about LFTR yet. Thanks! On December 01 2013 18:28 Cascade wrote: Yes, you are right, sorry. Guess I incorrectly grouped you with the believers, my bad. Good job on digging it up. I'll go and tone down my post a bit. :o) I like you. | ||
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
On December 02 2013 04:44 Millitron wrote: Really? But a reactor based on LENR has never been built. It's not even known if one could be built, regardless of if Cold Fusion is real. I would place my bets for "the future of Energy production" on Thorium, specifically LFTR's. LFTR's have actually been built and produced power. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LFTR Thanks for the link, fascinating read. Really sad that the US has suffered such stagnation in research and is now falling behind the rest of the world, simply because companies already invested in earlier technology. | ||
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unsniped
United States241 Posts
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Traeon
Austria366 Posts
These are the same entities that partially funded the Levi investigation into the e-cat, and to my knowledge, are currently funding another round of testing. | ||
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Umpteen
United Kingdom1570 Posts
On December 11 2013 19:12 Traeon wrote: currently funding another round of testing. Which will yet again occur in Rossi's lab, using another different design, with another set of black-cloth* restrictions on how the device may be tested. The results won't be the same as any previous demonstration or test, but will show 'anomalous heat production'. In all seriousness, if this were legit and it were me who'd invented it, I'd give the design away. I'd rather go down in history as the guy who saved the planet than the asshole who held it to ransom. *'Black cloth' refers to how magicians can do incredible things provided there's a black cloth obstructing the most obvious and direct means of verification. Knowing it's a trick doesn't depend on whether the audience can figure out how the black cloth helps, all that matters is that the magician clearly knows). | ||
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ElMeanYo
United States1032 Posts
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/industrial-heat-has-acquired-andrea-rossis-e-cat-technology-241853361.html http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2014/01/24/onfirmed-raleighs-cherokee-buys-into.html?page=all Industrial Heat is funded primarily by Tom Darden, who co-founded Cherokee Investment Partners and the company is located in North Carolina. Here is some more info about the company: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Industrial_Heat,_LLC | ||
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Superouman
France2195 Posts
1) build a black box making noise and heat name Ecat 2) refuse 3rd party reviews 3) ??? 4) Profit Sorry for the meme but i am really sad for Heat Industries, being scammed for 11m$  | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On January 27 2014 18:10 Superouman wrote: How to scam a company for 11m$ : 1) build a black box making noise and heat name Ecat 2) refuse 3rd party reviews 3) ??? 4) Profit Sorry for the meme but i am really sad for Heat Industries, being scammed for 11m$ I haven't followed this in a while, but aren't the blind test results very promising? | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 27 2014 20:00 Crushinator wrote: I haven't followed this in a while, but aren't the blind test results very promising? Of course they are, they're blind ._. anything could be happening in there. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On January 27 2014 20:11 Plexa wrote: Of course they are, they're blind ._. anything could be happening in there. Well, what I am interested in are some examples of things that could be going on in there to explain the anomalous findings. | ||
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Umpteen
United Kingdom1570 Posts
On January 27 2014 21:58 Crushinator wrote: Well, what I am interested in are some examples of things that could be going on in there to explain the anomalous findings. Here's such an example: In the most recent tests, Rossi forbade the investigators from attaching any measuring equipment to the cables connecting the device to its 'control box'. They were only permitted to connect equipment to cables leading to the control box. I personally contacted one of the guys who prepared the report and asked him about this. He said they treated the whole assembly as a black box, measuring power in and out, so it really didn't matter that they weren't allowed to make those measurements. Nor did he see how it could make a difference. To which I replied: Every stage trick tries to convince you something impossible is happening - like teleporting across a room. And there's usually a really obvious, simple, reliable way to check if that impossible thing is actually happening - like having an uninterrupted, unobstructed, direct view of the magician. But the audience is always denied that. Instead, they are presented with a method of verification intended to seem every bit as robust as direct observation - a heaving black cloth, or a backlit gauze tent - and therein lies the essence of the trick. The appropriate question, when faced with a magic trick, is never "How did he teleport across the room?", but "Can you do it again without the cloth?" Here the potentially impossible thing is the apparent energy density of the contents of the reactor. The simple, obvious, most reliable test you could have performed is to monitor the power input at the reactor itself. It's the most reliable test because it's the hardest to fool; it's like trying to teleport in plain sight. As it turned out, it makes all the difference in the world, because the equipment they used was incapable of detecting, for instance, DC power being smuggled into the control box alongside the AC supply. The guy is a convicted fraudster. He's currently in the business of selling licenses to sell e-cats in various territories. And guess what? Selling licenses to sell a product just happens to be the only legal way to make money off a non-existent product. If he were taking orders for e-cats and not fulfilling them - boom, his ass is in jail. But if you buy a license to sell a product, and the product never materialises, you're shit out of luck. He's also selling shares in 'R&D' for the e-cat. Guess what happens if the R&D goes nowhere. That's right: SOOL again. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On January 27 2014 21:58 Crushinator wrote: Well, what I am interested in are some examples of things that could be going on in there to explain the anomalous findings. Since its a blind test, as in that its blackbox and you are not allowed to see what is actually happening and examine the process itself you cannot comfirm what is actually happening. Worse case scenario is that its real, and if you read proven physics of what happens a part of the process is the creation a lethal dose of radiation which has given anyone who wittnessed the experiment a deadly dose. Best case scenario it's just bullshit or some kind of magic trick, maybe he has some kinds of batteries hidden somewhere in the device. It could be a million different things. | ||
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Umpteen
United Kingdom1570 Posts
On January 27 2014 22:46 Integra wrote: Since its a blind test, as in that its blackbox and you are not allowed to see what is actually happening and examine the process itself you cannot comfirm what is actually happening. No, it's far worse than that: it's a black box plugged into another black box. And I don't mean the ecat and control box. I mean the fact that Rossi will never allow anyone to test the e-cat/control box combo plugged into anything other than the power supply at his own lab. | ||
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