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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
October 13 2017 15:14 GMT
#13441
Or just call the chemistry department of your favourite university and ask what kind they buy.
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-13 15:22:13
October 13 2017 15:20 GMT
#13442
Yeah, in the website you linked, the best ones are certified only to 0.01g even though their readability is 0.001g. 10 microgram scales I can only find in 50g~ capacities, so best in the market for my needed capacity is 100mL readability with somewhere around 200-500 microgram accuracy.

The Chem lab I worked in had like $30k scales that do about what I need. However a lot of that goes to certification and stuff which I don't need explicitly, just confirmation.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-13 15:26:54
October 13 2017 15:23 GMT
#13443
I still think the easiest way of finding a scale that fits your needs is to phone a company

oh and I'd love to hear your experience if you do so.
passive quaranstream fan
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12175 Posts
October 13 2017 18:49 GMT
#13444
If you just need it a few times ask your closest university if you can rent their certified ones for a few hours. Most places of higher education rent out equipment time as far as I know.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-13 20:25:01
October 13 2017 20:24 GMT
#13445
On October 14 2017 00:07 FiWiFaKi wrote:
What's the best 200-500g scale under $5000?

I want accuracy to 1mg, and like a real 1mg. Too many scales will have readability at 0.001g, and in reality a be +/- 3-5mg for repeatability. So probably 100 microgram readability. There's all too many scales out there with not enough reviews, so verifying their claims is difficult.


Are analytical grade glassware and scales not illegal for joe shmoe to buy in Canada? You can't even buy the glassware to do proper formulations in the US without being licensed and regulated etc. Super expensive scales are expensive for a reason. You're not likely to achieve 1 mg repeatability with something that isn't highly regulated.

What are you using this for, anyway? I can't think of any applications where you'd need mg precision other than actual analytical/synthetic chemistry.
Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
October 13 2017 20:29 GMT
#13446
does anybody know where zealots prefer to go when their psyblades need a tuneup?

asking for a friend who needs new windshield wipers
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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
October 13 2017 21:08 GMT
#13447
Possibly the Citadel. Because that's where they get their legs done as well.
passive quaranstream fan
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
October 13 2017 21:12 GMT
#13448
On October 14 2017 05:24 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2017 00:07 FiWiFaKi wrote:
What's the best 200-500g scale under $5000?

I want accuracy to 1mg, and like a real 1mg. Too many scales will have readability at 0.001g, and in reality a be +/- 3-5mg for repeatability. So probably 100 microgram readability. There's all too many scales out there with not enough reviews, so verifying their claims is difficult.


Are analytical grade glassware and scales not illegal for joe shmoe to buy in Canada? You can't even buy the glassware to do proper formulations in the US without being licensed and regulated etc. Super expensive scales are expensive for a reason. You're not likely to achieve 1 mg repeatability with something that isn't highly regulated.

What are you using this for, anyway? I can't think of any applications where you'd need mg precision other than actual analytical/synthetic chemistry.


Is this all in the name of the war on drugs? It's not like making TNT is difficult, you don't need precision equipment, two O-Chem courses and reading online makes it an easy task imo (though the precursors are regulated).

I am playing around with making ecigarette flavoring from natural and artificial extracts, and my LD501 scale that has 0.01g readability and 0.02-0.03 accuracy is not sufficient. I need to make small batches to experiment, and when dissolved in alcohols certain extracts can be plenty strong at even 10ppm concentrations.

Seems silly to regulate 10x the accuracy of what I have now.
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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
October 13 2017 21:20 GMT
#13449
Well, try homeopathy. Dilute by 10. Or is that not feasible (cause you mentioned small batches).
passive quaranstream fan
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
October 13 2017 21:52 GMT
#13450
On October 14 2017 06:20 Artisreal wrote:
Well, try homeopathy. Dilute by 10. Or is that not feasible (cause you mentioned small batches).

Error would propagate and mixing efficacy becomes a bigger deal if he was to just be accurate to 10 mg and then serial dilute.

Also fikifaki: drugs and explosives are the reason to regulate it as I understand. There's also the fact that synthetic chemistry is really just something people without background shouldn't be doing. Adding barriers to random dumbfucks playing with chemistry is always a good thing.
urmomdresslikafloozy
Profile Joined October 2017
191 Posts
October 13 2017 23:05 GMT
#13451
Is it time we start giving deadbeat dads more credit for their contributions to improving society as a whole? They are reasonable for creating iconic figures like Barack Obama, Eminem, Jay-Z, the NBA, the NFL, John Lennon and Jesus Christ.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 13 2017 23:44 GMT
#13452
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urmomdresslikafloozy
Profile Joined October 2017
191 Posts
October 13 2017 23:56 GMT
#13453
On October 14 2017 08:44 JimmiC wrote:
In general i think that hardship breeds greatness. So in that way they ate doing well. But to know forsure we would have to take all the greats and see if more had deadbeat dads or boring reg one s

It would be an interesting dichotomy too study. I would be inclined to wager a large sum of money that if someone like Lebron James had a father involved in life he would have had a greater chance to become a regional manager at Staples than taking over the world in and outside of the basketball court.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12033 Posts
October 14 2017 09:56 GMT
#13454
On October 14 2017 08:56 urmomdresslikafloozy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2017 08:44 JimmiC wrote:
In general i think that hardship breeds greatness. So in that way they ate doing well. But to know forsure we would have to take all the greats and see if more had deadbeat dads or boring reg one s

It would be an interesting dichotomy too study. I would be inclined to wager a large sum of money that if someone like Lebron James had a father involved in life he would have had a greater chance to become a regional manager at Staples than taking over the world in and outside of the basketball court.


But you have a hell of a selection bias there. Because you don't talk about al the Lebron James that don't play basketball.

It is definitively something that you can study, but i think it is reasonable to assume that on average, involved parents improve their childrens outcome. (Too lazy to look something up right now.)

So for your thesis to work, that would mean that an uninvolved father not only decreases the average outcome, but also increases the variance. That would mean that you may have at the very top end, you might have an increased amount of people with shitty dads, but you also have a lot more people on the very low end.

This would be something to prove in an actual empirical study, however, not something to be based on biased as hell anecdotal evidence.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28911 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-14 10:38:33
October 14 2017 10:35 GMT
#13455
I definitely think there might be something to the increased variance, lower average outcome, more on the very top and far more on the very bottom - theory of what happens to the children of deadbeat dads.

It's a bit like looking at money. Coming from a wealthy family sure as hell increases the likelihood that you yourself will be wealthy. Coming from 'old money' virtually ensures that you will die a millionaire. But if you look at the very richest people in the world, I think a fair amount of them are actually self-made, to a large degree. Like not deadbeat dad self-made, but not parents had 30 million dollar rich either. I think this relates to how reaching the very top requires both risk and sacrifice that people with a lot of options and comfort are likely to be unwilling to undertake. Like, people aren't gonna invest the family dynasty company and property on trying to chase some pipe dream with 3% chance of moving you from multi-millionaire to billionaire status, but they might take a 0.1% chance at moving from semi-broke to billionaire. So for people from stable upper middle class households, you get way more doctors and lawyers, jobs that requires competence, but which are also attainable for smart people who apply themselves. You might get more successful athletes and musicians also tbh, but 'successful' in this regard is like, playing football for a mid-tier premier league club, or playing in a band that released one record, not 'best in the world' type of success. That requires a type of sacrifice and drive that people who live comfortable lives are less willing to endure.

It's a plausible theory, anyway. Not saying it's really the case, but if some empirical study proved that for people at the top 0.0000001% had a tendency to come from harsher upbringings (and also that this was most definitely the case for the bottom 25%) then hey, I'd buy it.
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-15 22:14:40
October 15 2017 22:13 GMT
#13456
What those people/occupations have in common is that you have selectively chosen those occupations/persons. For most politicians, sports and music genres you would have an overwhelming chance of being an iconic character if you had an involved father. In terms of wealth as opposed to public recognition, you have much better chance if born with an involved father or just simply born into wealth.
urmomdresslikafloozy
Profile Joined October 2017
191 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-16 20:13:40
October 16 2017 20:10 GMT
#13457
Who is the least creepy person in Hollywood? I thought Clint Eastwood was until I saw this -_-;

Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28911 Posts
October 16 2017 20:33 GMT
#13458
she claims to be 13, but I think she (the actress) was only 11 when they filmed that.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-17 00:31:07
October 17 2017 00:30 GMT
#13459
If Microsoft rolled out a Windows 10 update that used idle processors on a user's computer for distributed computing (e.g bitcoin mining, protein folding calculations, breaking RSA-1024) how much money could they make?

How much legal trouble would they get in once caught out? Let's assume that they update the fine text of the Terms of Service to include this.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24391 Posts
October 17 2017 01:02 GMT
#13460
On October 17 2017 09:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
If Microsoft rolled out a Windows 10 update that used idle processors on a user's computer for distributed computing (e.g bitcoin mining, protein folding calculations, breaking RSA-1024) how much money could they make?

How much legal trouble would they get in once caught out? Let's assume that they update the fine text of the Terms of Service to include this.


None, maybe they pay a fine/settlement for a fraction of what they make. At least in the US, other countries might try to do something.

The bigger concern would reputation, but they could mitigate that with making it opt-in afterwards and sharing a small fraction of the wealth generated with the system users through some fancy points system.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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