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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On March 08 2017 00:54 JimmiC wrote: Why are some people upset about a character in Beauty and the Beast being gay, but not about the Main characters doing bestiality? Seams like if you are upset about the first you should be losing your mind about the second. Being that neither Bestiality not Homosexuality is even part of the 10 Commandments--but coveting is, I have no idea why they wouldn't ban it for Gaston coveting Belle. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
I mean, honestly the ethical problem is how rapey the story is at its core. Like, if you imprison me until I love you, you're not a charming rogue, but a rapist. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On March 08 2017 03:44 Yoav wrote: There's a fair bit of scholarly opinion suggesting that the original sense of the "stealing" commandment might have been about kidnapping, so they're gettable on that too... I mean, honestly the ethical problem is how rapey the story is at its core. Like, if you imprison me until I love you, you're not a charming rogue, but a rapist. Yeah, I always found it kinda disturbing. Actually, a great deal of "children stories" from older times are pretty disturbing in one way or another. I am not really sure why those are still being kept alive so fiercely. Do we really need to feed our children the "wisdom" of a 19th or early 20th century societies? All the "kings/princess/peasant" kind of stories are based upon class and gender stereotypes for example. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On March 08 2017 03:53 JimmiC wrote: Come on now, what is more romantic than Stockholm syndrome? To be fair, Stockholm is one of the most romantic cities on the planet | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18478 Posts
On March 08 2017 03:49 opisska wrote: Yeah, I always found it kinda disturbing. Actually, a great deal of "children stories" from older times are pretty disturbing in one way or another. I am not really sure why those are still being kept alive so fiercely. Do we really need to feed our children the "wisdom" of a 19th or early 20th century societies? All the "kings/princess/peasant" kind of stories are based upon class and gender stereotypes for example. Nobody is keeping them alive "so fiercely". They just happen to be good stories in their own right. I'd argue that trying to get rid of them because they enforce gender stereotypes is one of those things SJW rightfully get called out on for being crazy oversensitive douches on. The Grimm stories were never really meant to be children's stories, though. They are... well... grim. | ||
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Archeon
3274 Posts
You'd have to be successful at spreading other child stories and to some extend that's happening already. Pettson and Findus f.e. is fairly adequate for children iIrc. There's also the problem that children enjoy a bit of tension and black and white, sure beauty and beast is wrong on a lot of levels (although I think the morale is supposed to be that you have to look behind the facade), Redcap not so much f.e., while still being violent. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12059 Posts
On March 08 2017 04:08 Acrofales wrote: Nobody is keeping them alive "so fiercely". They just happen to be good stories in their own right. I'd argue that trying to get rid of them because they enforce gender stereotypes is one of those things SJW rightfully get called out on for being crazy oversensitive douches on. The Grimm stories were never really meant to be children's stories, though. They are... well... grim. Afaik the Grimm stories where supposed to be children's stories, it is just that people at that time had a very different idea of what children's stories should look like. They are all cautionary tales about one thing or another, they just have horrible punishments involved for wrongdoers and those who do not react in the way you want to teach children to react. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On March 08 2017 03:55 opisska wrote: To be fair, Stockholm is one of the most romantic cities on the planet In the sense that it's so cold that you have to stay close to each other to avoid freezing to death? | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On March 08 2017 08:19 Cascade wrote: In the sense that it's so cold that you have to stay close to each other to avoid freezing to death? A model once told me that "ain't nothing to do in alaska save weed and each other." | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On March 08 2017 08:19 Cascade wrote: In the sense that it's so cold that you have to stay close to each other to avoid freezing to death? In the sense that it has a wonderful historical downtown situated on islands in the middle of a broad river/lake. Also I find the Scandinavian natural setting really romantic, with plenty of water, the small rocky islands and pine trees. It's sometimes a tad cool in winter, but summers can be as hot as central Europe ... for the couple of days it's not raining  | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On March 08 2017 04:17 Archeon wrote: I agree, people tend to tell their children the stories they've heard as children and that use a language appropriate for children. Nobody really thinks about the content to begin with, Hansel and Gretel f.e. is very dark. You'd have to be successful at spreading other child stories and to some extend that's happening already. Pettson and Findus f.e. is fairly adequate for children iIrc. There's also the problem that children enjoy a bit of tension and black and white, sure beauty and beast is wrong on a lot of levels (although I think the morale is supposed to be that you have to look behind the facade), Redcap not so much f.e., while still being violent. Redcap (or rather Little Red Riding Hood) does have a moral - that children should obey their parents and not to talk with strangers as their intentions might be bad (and children are poor judges of such). I disagree with the notion that people don't think about the content of the stories. I actually think people consider such things greatly (at least all the parents I've met), but there is an appreciation for the tension in these stories which are after all fairly good stories. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
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ZBiR
Poland1092 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On March 09 2017 18:23 ZBiR wrote: Throwing old women into an oven makes you ready for the adult life? If you don't understand that then your parents probably skipped some important lessons. What do you think happens with old women? | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
On March 09 2017 18:23 ZBiR wrote: i guess using literally literally every time, makes one literally forgo symbolism, figures of speech and occasional (harmless)stereotyping. Throwing old women into an oven makes you ready for the adult life? | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On March 09 2017 18:23 ZBiR wrote: Throwing old women into an oven makes you ready for the adult life? Throwing Jews in ovens for stealing the sacraments was already a common story in the Middle Ages. Having a version where a witch is thrown into the oven sounds much more child friendly to me. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On March 10 2017 00:45 JimmiC wrote: How come hard core right wing Christians hate Jews and socialists. When Jesus was a Jewish socialist. Christians hate Jews because of the old Catholic doctrine that blamed the death of Jesus on Jews. Protestants hate Socialists because of the red scare being primarily an American movement aimed at socialists and atheists. | ||
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