EPTedit: Sorry I remembered the article wrong. It was actually 96%. 178 million dollars well spent if you ask me.
http://colorlines.com/archives/2011/08/98_of_florida_welfare_applicants_pass_newly_implemented_drug_tests_discrediting_governor.html
Florida to drug test for welfare - Page 26
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dANiELcanuck
Canada217 Posts
edit: Sorry I remembered the article wrong. It was actually 96%. 178 million dollars well spent if you ask me. http://colorlines.com/archives/2011/08/98_of_florida_welfare_applicants_pass_newly_implemented_drug_tests_discrediting_governor.html | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Guess who owns one of the largest drug testing companies in Florida? Solantic was a company Scott had a majority stake in until he was elected. He then signed his stake over to his wife. Have to spend money to make money, even in Politics. | ||
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MrTortoise
1388 Posts
Do they also screen for alcohol? Causes far more social problems, i mean with this logic it would be socially irresponsible not to. Then do the same for food And a minimum amount of exercise per day - i mean you are socially obliged right? .... | ||
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Uncultured
United States1340 Posts
They probably were passed by thousands of individuals just smart enough to circumvent the test while still on drugs too... | ||
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wishbones
Canada2600 Posts
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Uncultured
United States1340 Posts
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dANiELcanuck
Canada217 Posts
On August 29 2011 03:55 MrTortoise wrote: my only comment is that buying some weed is entirley different to being a hard core drug user. Do they also screen for alcohol? Causes far more social problems, i mean with this logic it would be socially irresponsible not to. Then do the same for food And a minimum amount of exercise per day - i mean you are socially obliged right? .... I don't know how it works in Florida, but I know here in Canada, drug tests also check for Alcohol. It's pretty standard/easy. They either do a quick breathalizer or cotton swab in the mouth. On August 29 2011 03:57 wishbones wrote: edit: nvm people are able to cheat the tests, i forgot about that. oh well. in the next 20 years it should be a daily thing, where you pick your finger and touch the pad, and the blood test results are done daily. but thats not for a while, when it does happen, yay!! no more drugs in canada. ffs.. Not only would it cost more money but I personally think its absolutely disgusting that you think that that would not only be acceptable but would be taking steps in the right direction. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On August 29 2011 03:41 dANiELcanuck wrote: 98% of people passed the drug test. It cost the government more to administer the tests than would be given to those who abuse the system. Way to go! edit: Sorry I remembered the article wrong. It was actually 96%. 178 million dollars well spent if you ask me. http://colorlines.com/archives/2011/08/98_of_florida_welfare_applicants_pass_newly_implemented_drug_tests_discrediting_governor.html Wait, is this 96% of people who went in to collect, or 96% of all Florida applicants to Welfare? As people who collect welfare for drug money might, you know, not go in to collect if they know they're going to be tested and, possibly, imprisoned after failing the test. | ||
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Omnipresent
United States871 Posts
On August 29 2011 04:12 TwoToneTerran wrote: Wait, is this 96% of people who went in to collect, or 96% of all Florida applicants to Welfare? As people who collect welfare for drug money might, you know, not go in to collect if they know they're going to be tested and, possibly, imprisoned after failing the test. 2% of recipients failed. 2% refused to take the test. That means at lest 96% of welfare recipients are clean, assuming all 2% who refused are users. This was a scam and an invasion of civil liberties from the start. Now it's also a waste of money. | ||
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ffz
United States490 Posts
All this law is going to do is make the diagnositic lab companies a little happier and suck away some medicaid dollars. Good idea, but fat chance it'll do anything. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Omnipresent
United States871 Posts
On August 29 2011 04:21 ffz wrote: This is so hilarious. I worked at a medicare/medicaid/uninsured clinic that was subsidized by the government. Whenever the doctor orders a drug screen he gives the person a urine cup and then tells them to go to the bathroom. No supervision because nobody has the money to hire someone to go look at other ppl pee when they're prob getting squat for the office visit anyway. All this law is going to do is make the diagnositic lab companies a little happier and suck away some medicaid dollars. Good idea, but fat chance it'll do anything. Poor people scored better on their drug tests than the rest of the population, so they must have cheated? That's possible. Or maybe they don't take drugs... | ||
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Saraf
United States160 Posts
On August 29 2011 04:12 TwoToneTerran wrote: Wait, is this 96% of people who went in to collect, or 96% of all Florida applicants to Welfare? As people who collect welfare for drug money might, you know, not go in to collect if they know they're going to be tested and, possibly, imprisoned after failing the test. 2% of people failed, 2% of people did not complete the process (for obvious yet undisclosed reasons), 96% of people passed, according to the Tampa Tribune. These numbers are for applicants in the first month since the law's implementation. Also, only new applicants are affected according the the DCF's website. EDIT: The testing only happens on application but the aid lasts for 48 months, after which you have to reapply. http://www.dcf.state.fl.us/programs/access/tca.shtml Turns out the law was based on Governor Scott's ignorant stereotypes of poor people and is going to waste a bunch of state money right into his pocket. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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Dekoth
United States527 Posts
On August 29 2011 04:18 Omnipresent wrote: 2% of recipients failed. 2% refused to take the test. That means at lest 96% of welfare recipients are clean, assuming all 2% who refused are users. This was a scam and an invasion of civil liberties from the start. Now it's also a waste of money. Isn't an invasion of civil liberties..You want a government hand out check, you play by their rules. Why some of you continue to not get that concept. As a Fla Taxpayer, I would pay for this law without hesitation even if it got less than 1%. I would rather pay for drug tests than be paying for a single lowlife mooching the government to pay for their drug habit. If you want to do drugs, that is fine by me. However don't expect me to pay for it. Hold down a job and pay for them yourself and you can do all the drugs you want for all I care. Who am I to stand in the way of you destroying your life. Besides, I get some great entertainment on TV from it. :D | ||
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dANiELcanuck
Canada217 Posts
On August 29 2011 04:26 Omnipresent wrote: Poor people scored better on their drug tests than the rest of the population, so they must have cheated? That's possible. Or maybe they don't take drugs... It's EXTREMELY easy to pass a drug test if you know when it is scheduled. Most drugs only stay in your system for a few days, Marijuana can last up to a month, but usually 2 weeks. So I can go snort some cocaine on the weekend and be fine on Tuesday for my drug test. I work in the Oilsands industry in Alberta where pre-access drug and alcohol tests are mandatory before you can be employed and MOST of my friends (who I would not consider above average intelligence) pass the tests without problems every time. | ||
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Uncultured
United States1340 Posts
On August 29 2011 04:34 Dekoth wrote: Isn't an invasion of civil liberties..You want a government hand out check, you play by their rules. Why some of you continue to not get that concept. As a Fla Taxpayer, I would pay for this law without hesitation even if it got less than 1%. I would rather pay for drug tests than be paying for a single lowlife mooching the government to pay for their drug habit. If you want to do drugs, that is fine by me. However don't expect me to pay for it. Hold down a job and pay for them yourself and you can do all the drugs you want for all I care. Who am I to stand in the way of you destroying your life. Besides, I get some great entertainment on TV from it. :D You're paying more... For absolutely nothing. People are still doing drugs, on welfare, and now you have to pay more on top of it. What don't you understand about this? | ||
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slytown
Korea (South)1411 Posts
A perfect analogy is the doctors treating smoking patients. Some doctors think it's their job to stop them from smoking after treating smokers. However, you can't actively change someone. They have to do it for themselves or with the influence of those close to them. Same goes for drug addicts. Why do we ask where the money goes when we give money to the poor when we don't ask for the same info when we give to the rich? I ask the same of both demographics: here's the money you need and where u should spend it, but if u don't put it there, the burden is ON YOU. It's not like we're buying these people Rolls Royces. It's food money for god sakes. We can only try and keep the poor afloat, not let them rot and die. It's the humane and progressive thing to do. I think it's sick requiring the poor to be drug tested when many are trying to recover from drug addictions. You don't try and quit heroin cold turkey and get back on ur feet at the same time. It takes time. We punish people trying to better themselves and it's ridiculous. Those who get out of jail have a hard time finding work because we punish them after the fact they did their time already. We said as a nation you served ur punishment. Now, go serve some more as u try and form a life. | ||
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WightyCity
Canada887 Posts
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sudo.era
United States300 Posts
edit: 96% tested negative. Surprise surprise. This is a stupid waste of tax money. | ||
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