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Please read the topic before responding to the title. The film has been cut and given a rating, it is no longer banned. - KwarK |
On June 08 2011 07:05 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 06:56 Sindsygafnatur wrote:On June 08 2011 06:49 skeldark wrote:On June 08 2011 06:42 Sindsygafnatur wrote:On June 08 2011 06:40 skeldark wrote:On June 08 2011 06:39 Olinim wrote:On June 08 2011 06:37 skeldark wrote:
so there is no question if you should ban such shit because only really dangerous and ill people would watch is anyway. but i think its really scary that there is a bigger market for such films and that there are so many mental ill people around. You're mentally ill if you think watching a movie means you're dangerous. not watching it makes you dangerous! but that you WANT to watch such shit means you ARE dangerous! I heard about this movie...where someone kills another person, just because he's evil and mean. Have you seen it? you dont get the difference about a movie where someone shot someone and a movie where they show how people are tortured in detail? Okay so movies involving torture should be banned because they make people dangerous. Are there other unpleasant things we should be sheltered from? How about people being mean to each other? People who don't wash their hands after they pee? God they make me wanna blow shit up! I never say it makes you dangerous. a child perhaps... if you want to watch this you are allready dangerous. The majority have the right to deny rights. that why we make laws. To deny rights of minority to the better good of all. Only because there is a law dont mean it must be good. we should ask ourself every time if our rules are good or if we need new rules. But there is no overall problem on denying something, our society base on this. So i say the right of many to live secure is more worth than the right of few who likes to watch how people get torture. The danger that this ill people will harm someone more likely because they see such movies is small but still big enough to deny them this right. I can understand that people want to give them the right to watch this. even if they are dangerous watching this movie must not mean the start to act like this. But i think the little chance is enough.
This may be the dumbest post I have ever read in my entire life. The majority have absolutely no right to determine what is acceptable to a minority and indeed is one of the founding aspects of democracy everywhere. To protect minority rights is paramount.
You are a dunce.
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I think of everyone in the "every censorship is bad" crowd, none of you understand that every generalization is always bad.
See what I did? 
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Interesting topic to go along with this:
The MPAA is fairly good at censoring movies, which is a whole different topic than censoring television. I remember reading an interview where the guys from South Park when they were making the movie they would actually make the scenes far more disgusting and disturbing than what they actually wanted, that way whenever the MPAA would tell them "no you cant get an R rating with this, you will get an NC17(aka a death sentence since most theaters will not show it)", then they would send them the actual scene and it would go through no problem due to comparison.
Who decides the system? You can say F*** this many times a minute, but more than this many times isn't allowed.
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oddly enough I had zero interest in watching these movies til after this thread, now I gotta watch them just to see what all the fuss is about cause from the trailers it doesn't seem like anything to get all up in arms about
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On June 08 2011 07:05 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 06:56 Sindsygafnatur wrote:On June 08 2011 06:49 skeldark wrote:On June 08 2011 06:42 Sindsygafnatur wrote:On June 08 2011 06:40 skeldark wrote:On June 08 2011 06:39 Olinim wrote:On June 08 2011 06:37 skeldark wrote:
so there is no question if you should ban such shit because only really dangerous and ill people would watch is anyway. but i think its really scary that there is a bigger market for such films and that there are so many mental ill people around. You're mentally ill if you think watching a movie means you're dangerous. not watching it makes you dangerous! but that you WANT to watch such shit means you ARE dangerous! I heard about this movie...where someone kills another person, just because he's evil and mean. Have you seen it? you dont get the difference about a movie where someone shot someone and a movie where they show how people are tortured in detail? Okay so movies involving torture should be banned because they make people dangerous. Are there other unpleasant things we should be sheltered from? How about people being mean to each other? People who don't wash their hands after they pee? God they make me wanna blow shit up! I never say it makes you dangerous. a child perhaps... if you want to watch this you are allready dangerous. The majority have the right to deny rights. that why we make laws. To deny rights of minority to the better good of all. Only because there is a law dont mean it must be good. we should ask ourself every time if our rules are good or if we need new rules. But there is no overall problem on denying something, our society base on this. So i say the right of many to live secure is more worth than the right of few who likes to watch how people get torture. The danger that this ill people will harm someone more likely because they see such movies is small but still big enough to deny them this right. I can understand that people want to give them the right to watch this. even if they are dangerous watching this movie must not mean the start to act like this. But i think the little chance is enough.
Okay I seriously to took the time to read your post through, and I tried very hard to understand it - and failed.
But I think you should use time to reflect on your premise, does watching a movie depicting horrible stuff, make you a disturbed person? I believe that debate is getting relatively old, and I think people(not kids ofc) are rational and can make their own choices.
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On June 08 2011 07:11 Klaus1986 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 07:05 skeldark wrote:On June 08 2011 06:56 Sindsygafnatur wrote:On June 08 2011 06:49 skeldark wrote:On June 08 2011 06:42 Sindsygafnatur wrote:On June 08 2011 06:40 skeldark wrote:On June 08 2011 06:39 Olinim wrote:On June 08 2011 06:37 skeldark wrote:
so there is no question if you should ban such shit because only really dangerous and ill people would watch is anyway. but i think its really scary that there is a bigger market for such films and that there are so many mental ill people around. You're mentally ill if you think watching a movie means you're dangerous. not watching it makes you dangerous! but that you WANT to watch such shit means you ARE dangerous! I heard about this movie...where someone kills another person, just because he's evil and mean. Have you seen it? you dont get the difference about a movie where someone shot someone and a movie where they show how people are tortured in detail? Okay so movies involving torture should be banned because they make people dangerous. Are there other unpleasant things we should be sheltered from? How about people being mean to each other? People who don't wash their hands after they pee? God they make me wanna blow shit up! I never say it makes you dangerous. a child perhaps... if you want to watch this you are allready dangerous. The majority have the right to deny rights. that why we make laws. To deny rights of minority to the better good of all. Only because there is a law dont mean it must be good. we should ask ourself every time if our rules are good or if we need new rules. But there is no overall problem on denying something, our society base on this. So i say the right of many to live secure is more worth than the right of few who likes to watch how people get torture. The danger that this ill people will harm someone more likely because they see such movies is small but still big enough to deny them this right. I can understand that people want to give them the right to watch this. even if they are dangerous watching this movie must not mean the start to act like this. But i think the little chance is enough. This may be the dumbest post I have ever read in my entire life. The majority have absolutely no right to determine what is acceptable to a minority and indeed is one of the founding aspects of democracy everywhere. To protect minority rights is paramount. You are a dunce.
so we dont have to right to deny a person the right to kill someone?
we dont have the right to make laws and rules?
We determine whats acceptable with every law we write. we do this everyday our hole life in every social group. we make rules. this is how society works.
this have nothing to do with democracy at all. one of the rules of democracy is that we everyone have the kind of the same rights. not that everyone have all rights.
perhaps you misunderstand my use of the word minority.
i don't mean a special group i mean the group who want to break the rule.
im sorry when i dont end with a blaming. i know that for people like you this is normal and social standard. and you know what? Here you perhaps have the right to do so. I would give it to you because your right of speaking like you want is in this case more worth than my right of not being blamed. you have to weigh, every time... ;')
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On June 08 2011 07:09 alibabba13 wrote:
it is why it is illegal to be a neo-nazi in Germany
It is not illegal to be a nazi in Germany. Maybe you meant something different, but it's wrong the way you worded it.
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On June 08 2011 07:09 alibabba13 wrote:
There is no libertarian streak in European politics and governments are generally are expected to legislate or be involved in people's lives to a much greater extent that America. .
Hey, speak for yourself, we are allowed to draw some OFFENSIVE cartoons!
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I had actually never heard about this movie, and banning something is basicly begging people to watch it. Sounds like it could be interesting, yet it also sounds like it's the worst movie story and concept I have ever heard of, but meh. That's what you got to do to top the whole hostel and saw industry.
This thankfully explains my confusion surrounding the south park episode and how the hell they managed to come up with their centipad. It's all so much clearer now, but I haven't quite decided if I prefered to live in ignorance or in bliss yet.
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I bet this movie gets more views due to it being banned than it ever would have gotten on it's own
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On June 08 2011 07:20 kaztah wrote:
I had actually never heard about this movie, and banning something is basicly begging people to watch it. Sounds like it could be interesting, yet it also sounds like it's the worst movie story and concept I have ever heard of, but meh. That's what you got to do to top the whole hostel and saw industry.
This thankfully explains my confusion surrounding the south park episode and how the hell they managed to come up with their centipad. It's all so much clearer now, but I haven't quite decided if I prefered to live in ignorance or in bliss yet.
You know, the way you worded that makes it sound like you're blissful now that you've discovered the joys of this film, right?
But yeah, I was wondering when something like this would come out. Stuff like saw and hostel would eventually lead to stuff like this. Not that I really care that it did, I was just wondering how long it would take for someone to actually go "You know what saw needs? More people eating feces.". I was betting on 10 years, and I guess I was wrong!
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On June 08 2011 06:54 Euronyme wrote:
The cinema is in my opinion not an important news medium, and therefor I don't think the censorships are important in a political point of view. I don't understand all the slipperly slope talk. I guess we just don't have the same opinion on that matter. It's imo a long walk from censoring movies to censoring news or election information.
That's fine. However, it's still the government restricting freedom. It doesn't have to "progress to anything else", they shouldn't have any say in the matter to begin with.
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many countries have "obscenity laws" that can make just about anything illegal if it gets the right attention. iirc watersports porn is banned (in usa?) as an example of this. lolicon and goru probably fall under the same law if you're caught with them.
i think Eden Lake is probably more disturbing than this kinda movie. i fear watching eden lake again hahaha
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Hmmm...I am against censorship of entertainment but who would go out of their way to have the ban lifted? From what I saw in the trailer, it almost looks like torture porn.
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On June 08 2011 07:26 FFGenerations wrote:
many countries have "obscenity laws" that can make just about anything illegal if it gets the right attention. iirc watersports porn is banned (in usa?) as an example of this. lolicon and goru probably fall under the same law if you're caught with them.
i think Eden Lake is probably more disturbing than this kinda movie. i fear watching eden lake again hahaha
If watersports porn is banned in the USA it isn't enforced at all because there is a lot of it out there. Mild urine fetishes are pretty common actually, e.g. being peed on.
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In an email to Empire magazine, Six accused the BBFC of posting spoilers of his new film by revealing plot details in the course of explaining its decision
Oh man, that's ridiculous. Of course plot details have to be considered in those ratings, and of course such ratings have to be public in order to make sure that no arbitrariness happens. Really, where's the problem?
By the way I don't have the slightest problem with banning such, even though I have the opinion that art has to have a lot of freedom. This is no art, and if he says it was, then it's only on a very shallow level. Works of real artistic level usually always pass, no matter what content they have.
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On June 08 2011 07:15 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 07:11 Klaus1986 wrote:On June 08 2011 07:05 skeldark wrote:On June 08 2011 06:56 Sindsygafnatur wrote:On June 08 2011 06:49 skeldark wrote:On June 08 2011 06:42 Sindsygafnatur wrote:On June 08 2011 06:40 skeldark wrote:On June 08 2011 06:39 Olinim wrote:On June 08 2011 06:37 skeldark wrote:
so there is no question if you should ban such shit because only really dangerous and ill people would watch is anyway. but i think its really scary that there is a bigger market for such films and that there are so many mental ill people around. You're mentally ill if you think watching a movie means you're dangerous. not watching it makes you dangerous! but that you WANT to watch such shit means you ARE dangerous! I heard about this movie...where someone kills another person, just because he's evil and mean. Have you seen it? you dont get the difference about a movie where someone shot someone and a movie where they show how people are tortured in detail? Okay so movies involving torture should be banned because they make people dangerous. Are there other unpleasant things we should be sheltered from? How about people being mean to each other? People who don't wash their hands after they pee? God they make me wanna blow shit up! I never say it makes you dangerous. a child perhaps... if you want to watch this you are allready dangerous. The majority have the right to deny rights. that why we make laws. To deny rights of minority to the better good of all. Only because there is a law dont mean it must be good. we should ask ourself every time if our rules are good or if we need new rules. But there is no overall problem on denying something, our society base on this. So i say the right of many to live secure is more worth than the right of few who likes to watch how people get torture. The danger that this ill people will harm someone more likely because they see such movies is small but still big enough to deny them this right. I can understand that people want to give them the right to watch this. even if they are dangerous watching this movie must not mean the start to act like this. But i think the little chance is enough. This may be the dumbest post I have ever read in my entire life. The majority have absolutely no right to determine what is acceptable to a minority and indeed is one of the founding aspects of democracy everywhere. To protect minority rights is paramount. You are a dunce. so we dont have to right to deny a person the right to kill someone? we dont have the right to make laws and rules? We determine whats acceptable with every law we write. we do this everyday our hole life in every social group. we make rules. this is how society works. this have nothing to do with democracy at all. one of the rules of democracy is that we everyone have the kind of the same rights. not that everyone have all rights. perhaps you misunderstand my use of the word minority. i don't mean a special group i mean the group who want to break the rule. im sorry when i dont end with a blaming. i know that for people like you this is normal and social standard. and you know what? Here you perhaps have the right to do so. I would give it to you because you right of speaking like you want is in this case more worth than my right of not being blamed. you have to weigh, every time... ;')
1. Your posts are unbelievably stupid.
2. I don't believe English is your first language, though on account of 1 it's not impossible.
3. You don't understand what a "right" is at least in terms of law. Either that or your comprehension of the English language is so abysmal you can't properly articulate a single thought.
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The concept is just disgusting, but the movie gains attention because of the human fascination with the grim and gory, which draws out some bizarre erotic urges in the best of us. The censorship is understandable, but this movie is fundamentally just another horror film, so I really don't see why it needed to be banned.
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Holy shit that's one fucked up movie :O
How the fuck can ppl come up with shit like that
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instead of banning it, they should restrict it so you have to fill out an application form in order to view it in which you automatically oblige to have psychotherapy sessions...
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