EPTIraq & Syrian Civil Wars - Page 117
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Please guys, stay on topic. This thread is about the situation in Iraq and Syria. | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On September 05 2013 04:29 zezamer wrote: Obama's trying to save face which makes me think that the evidence they have isn't good enough... He doesn't need evidence, he needs people to believe that he has evidence. They've tried to push this through just relying on their word that they have evidence. They haven't produced anything but Gish Gallop. I don't think they have any intention of really proving it, they just want the public to concede to it. Distrust of government is at an all-time high, which is why the standard propaganda hasn't been enough to convince people. This board is proof though that plenty are still susceptible. We're all susceptible, myself included, the onslaught is relentless. These politician are all lawyers and they are all arguing their case like their political lives depend on it. | ||
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
While the security council is supposed to be there to make sure people play nicely in war time, they also have an internal conflict of interests which renders them impotent. So, it all goes back to what other ways can this be resolved, and short of letting the Syrians solve Syria's problems there really isn't much the international community can do. | ||
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oranget
Slovakia22 Posts
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Zyufin
United States85 Posts
On September 05 2013 04:56 dUTtrOACh wrote: Russia and China won't agree to an action by the security council and will almost certainly veto any resolution to do so. While the security council is supposed to be there to make sure people play nicely in war time, they also have an internal conflict of interests which renders them impotent. So, it all goes back to what other ways can this be resolved, and short of letting the Syrians solve Syria's problems there really isn't much the international community can do. I think following Sweden's example of blanket acceptance of Syrian refugees is a start. | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On September 05 2013 05:15 oranget wrote: http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-diabolical-design-for-syria/5347840 And so begins the conspiracy theories. I trust Obama will do the right thing, not just for the US but for humanity as a whole. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5080 Posts
On September 05 2013 04:27 Nyxisto wrote: You are of course completely right, Putin is an ass, but his point on this matter is quite reasonable. If the US have hard evidence that Assad used chemical weapons, they should just present them in front of the UN, and Putin has stated in that case he would not blockade military action. if you believe that i have a bridge in brooklyn you could make a killing on tolls once you own it all i need is $250 for the processing and transfer fees | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On September 05 2013 04:27 Nyxisto wrote: You are of course completely right, Putin is an ass, but his point on this matter is quite reasonable. If the US have hard evidence that Assad used chemical weapons, they should just present them in front of the UN, and Putin has stated in that case he would not blockade military action. But Putin will not accept evidence as evidence regardless of how concrete it is. He will just say "not proof". You can never be 100% sure of anything and he knows that. | ||
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Gladimor
Canada2 Posts
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
But honestly, stop spouting conspiracy theory nonsense while there's so much interesting to follow at the moment. For example, we can now see how Obama's gambit is making the GOP implode: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/dFSeTm2.png) | ||
KwarK
United States44286 Posts
On September 05 2013 03:54 Asymmetric wrote: No it isn't The entire point of the UN Security council was to provide the UN with the stick needed to discuss and enforce international security concerns post world war 2 after the league of nations completely failed to do so. It was specifically designed to have teeth and not repeat the spineless in-action that plagued the league of nations and contributed to complacency that led to WW2. Economic sanctions are the worst of all worlds, they hit civilians indiscriminately. Not true. The point of the security council is to make sure the UN can veto anything that threatens one of the 5 most powerful nations to avoid another world war. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5080 Posts
On September 05 2013 05:33 Ghanburighan wrote: 1. There's a reason why smart people speak in gentle tones. But honestly, stop spouting conspiracy theory nonsense while there's so much interesting to follow at the moment. For example, 2. we can now see how Obama's gambit is making the GOP implode: 1. That's sentimental nonsense. 2. How is that the GOP imploding? You've got the old line Clinton Democrats lining up behind Obama and the new wave young liberals against him, is that the Democratic Party imploding? No. | ||
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oranget
Slovakia22 Posts
On September 05 2013 05:26 AnomalySC2 wrote: And so begins the conspiracy theories. I trust Obama will do the right thing, not just for the US but for humanity as a whole. why conspiracy theories? are you 100% sure that it weren't 'rebels'' ? who profit most from this chemical attack? and the right thing to do is wait for what UN inspectors says | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5080 Posts
On September 05 2013 05:46 oranget wrote: why conspiracy theories? are you 100% sure that it weren't 'rebels'' ? who profit most from this chemical attack? you're 100% sure it wasn't assad so what credibility do you have to ask people questions like that with your zero content one-liner posts that are usually just links to some of the most stupid websites on the internet or incredibly banal questions that you no doubt think are clever but really are just childish "gotcha" bullshit | ||
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On September 05 2013 05:36 KwarK wrote: Not true. The point of the security council is to make sure the UN can veto anything that threatens one of the 5 most powerful nations to avoid another world war. Note: not the 5 most powerful nations, but the 5 nations that opposed Germany in WW2. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5080 Posts
On September 05 2013 05:48 dsousa wrote: Note: not the 5 most powerful nations, but the 5 nations that opposed Germany in WW2. Note: those 5 nations actually are still the 5 most powerful nations by a wide margin plus they are the 5 nuclear monopoly powers which is the real reason they have the vetoes and permanent member status. | ||
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
On September 05 2013 05:46 oranget wrote: why conspiracy theories? are you 100% sure that it weren't 'rebels'' ? who profit most from this chemical attack? A few pages back German and French intelligence services declassified their evidence on the latest chemical attack (aug 21st) and both agreed that the Syrians were behind it, corroborating US intelligence that we don't have access to yet unfortunately. They linked to the reports so you should be able to read them. I admit for a while there I was thinking that it was very possible that the rebels could have done it. But if Obama is trying to convince congress on nothing but his word I doubt he would expect much success. They'll probably declassify the intelligence reports soon. Unfortunately the UN report won't be of much use...as far as I know it just determines whether chemical weapons were used at all which is kind of useless. It would be really great if through all of this Putin would lose more influence. He is such a cold war relic, we really need to move on from the Russia vs US mentality (and the whole support of middle eastern dictators thing). I know I know the US did it too, but in the present moment I see the US as a force for good in the world and applaud their stand. If only the rest of the world would do something too  edit: Page 112 to be specific | ||
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Nirel
Israel1526 Posts
I fear for the Syrian people because it seems they're fucked either way, good luck to all of them. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On September 05 2013 05:50 DeepElemBlues wrote: Note: those 5 nations actually are still the 5 most powerful nations by a wide margin plus they are the 5 nuclear monopoly powers which is the real reason they have the vetoes and permanent member status. Not the best explanation, the US were the only country with nuclear weapons when the Security Council was created. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On September 05 2013 05:38 DeepElemBlues wrote: Lol, yeah, lately every political commentary I read implies the GOP is falling apart in a civil war. Obviously theres ideological conflict, but theres just as much conflict [if not more] in the Democratic party.1. That's sentimental nonsense. 2. How is that the GOP imploding? You've got the old line Clinton Democrats lining up behind Obama and the new wave young liberals against him, is that the Democratic Party imploding? No. | ||
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