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http://articles.latimes.com/1991-07-09/news/vw-2231_1
There is rampant inflation in "rape statistics" by these groups. Figures like 1/4 women etc are thrown around a lot.
Yes a 16 year old and and 18 year old having consensual sex is consided rape by the law. Or on a survey having sex with your husband when you dont quite feel like it, they can extrapolate rape. On the same side of the coin see the duke rape case etc.
It goes on quite simply because they feel nothing wrong with creating "epidemics / fear mongering" to get more funding and reaction.
also those surveys they use are way out of date
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actually if a woman is forced into sex (doesnt want to have sex) it doesnt matter if its her husband or not. also physical force isnt a requirement for something to be rape hth
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Marital rape is rape if the sex is not consensual. Sex with a minor is rape because minors cannot legally give consent.
Each US state has its own age of consent. Currently state laws set the age of consent at 16, 17 or 18. The most common age is 16.[36]
age of consent 16: Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Vermont, Washington, West Virginia
age of consent 17: Colorado, Illinois, Louisiana, Missouri, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York, Texas
age of consent 18: Arizona, California, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, North Dakota, Oregon, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming.
16 is a normal age of consent in most states.
Just because one incident (duke rape case) the defendents were found not guilty doesn't mean
1) the accuser was lying.
2) All rape cases are false accusations.
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On March 10 2011 20:34 iloveoil wrote:
actually if a woman is forced into sex (doesnt want to have sex) it doesnt matter if its her husband or not. also physical force isnt a requirement for something to be rape hth
yes obviously, It doesn't change the fact RAINN does everything possible to pump out the highest percentages possible (for more funding/awareness) it's only logical they do this. Hence they use statistics from the late 90s.
Rape has declined 2/3rds in the last 15 years in america or something close to that along with most violent crimes. Again I linked a statistic that showed the estimated number of forcible and by threat rapes which is much smaller than a 1/6 woman are raped statistic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
Has a good overview of the topic, but the statistics for rape, where someone can pull out 1/4 or 1/6 women are raped is just a little too high of a % to be believable, hence I have researched this before.
sadly debating the accuracy of said statistics and the methods they gather them is a big no no by anyone and a good way to get fired as a professor or reporter because inflating the statistics only helps charities like RAINN / awareness.
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On March 10 2011 12:26 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 10:13 NicksonReyes wrote:On March 10 2011 07:28 jinorazi wrote:On March 10 2011 07:09 AdamBanks wrote:On March 10 2011 06:43 jinorazi wrote:On March 09 2011 22:04 ThePurist wrote:
I heard it was documented that she couldn't attend her parent's funeral (μ₯λ‘μ) because she was called out to "service".
PRETTY FUCKED UP EH -_-
μ©μλλ€ λ€ λ€μ ΈμΌλ¨ -_- μμ λκ°. λ²μ΄ μ΄λλ€μ λͺ»μ‘μΌλ©΄, νλ―Όλ€μ΄ μ΄κ°μλΌλ€μ μμμΈμΌλ‘ λ§λ€μ΄λμΌ ν ν λ... μ£½μμ μ΄λλ€νν λΆμ‘±νλ€λ μκ°μ΄λλ€μ. just because this isnt "surprising", it shouldn't be tolerated at all. if this happened to someone i know, i'd go on a vigilant rampage. please talk to your lady friends and try to prevent this happening to them. it could be from their friend, boyfriend, w/e. teach them to have guts in not lowering themselves even if it means they can't get what they want. of course, there will be girls that wouldn't think twice about sleeping with another guy if it means she can get what she wants. I don't believe you intend this but when you say "have guts" and to not lower themselves you seem to imply that the person being sexually abused is somehow responsible for causing or has to power to aviod the situation ,which in the majority of cases is simply not true. I hope people like JYP can stand up and set up new standards to protect entertainers from shit like this. Whut? JYP? If someone can save this industry, I don't think it is JYP. + Show Spoiler + What? All that speculation just from a smile?? Or am i missing something? I repect for him for what he has achieved and was hoping he shares the same views as majority of other people but who knows. :/ Ive liked him since he was a co-mc in "friday night" and regarded him as a decent human being but i could be wrong. But i sincerely hope someone within the industry starts a union like organization to protect themselves. This event should not repeat.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's a bit of a lecher. I mean a lot of older guys in the music industry are. I read Anthony Kiedis's bio and he talks about having sex with a 14-year old groupie (supposedly he was unaware of her age at the time) not to mention others like Rod Stewart who get much younger wives. The truth is a lot of younger girls are attracted to these guys as well. I guess it's not really a problem unless there's force/coercion involved (like the Jang Ja Yeon case)or the girl is underage.
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Yes a 16 year old and and 18 year old having consensual sex is consided rape by the law.
Not really. In most states the age of consent is 16. And the federal law usually requires a 4 year age difference anyways.
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sadly debating the accuracy of said statistics and the methods they gather them is a big no no by anyone and a good way to get fired as a professor or reporter because inflating the statistics only helps charities like RAINN / awareness.
Last edit: 2011-03-10 20:52:27
Firstly, its almost impossible to fire a professor. Secondly underreporting rape only helps the FBI. It is a common government tactic to report decrease in annual crime for political gain. It is certianly a lot more common than charities and ngos infalting statistics. These NGOs are staffed by people who care about the problem (and often former victims). Governments are staffed by people who only care about themselves. You can believe whomever you want to ofcourse, but doesn't change the facts.
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http://www.allkpop.com/2011/03/ifsl-netizens-respond-to-the-claims-of-jang-ja-yeons-letters-being-fabricated
only news article I could find in english on it
Basically the "fabrication" claims of the letter where bullshit and some experts from SBS and a second source confirm it's her handwriting and has details only she could know about.
AKA Korean Government/police are trying to cover it up, while SBS and others re-confirm it's true.
Will be interesting to see what happens because some of the names on the list are top 50 richest people in korea and almost all are big CEOs/producers. My personal guess is nothing because of how corrupt the investigation has already been.
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The most eye opening thing in this thread is the number of people for whom this is a shocking/unimagined incident.
People fooling themselves into thinking this is in any way unusual, or isolated to a country/area/industry.
A sad sampling of how many people can be ignorant, willfully or otherwise, of the tragedies around them.
Most here of course are outraged, and that makes perfect sense. But you'd be a fool to think you're very far removed from it.
Arguing about which 'rape statistics' one chooses to believe is frankly a sign of exactly what's wrong. Trying to minimize how prevalent these incidents are can only cause more problems. Is it really possible to have TOO MUCH awareness of sexual assault? Really?
To head off drama I should add: It's important that false accusations and knee jerk reactions be carefully managed. Because it is something that gets people up in arms, it's easy to call for blood before having the facts. It's that first reaction that ruins the lives of some people due to an accusation. All cases should be carefully examined BEFORE authorities AND the masses pass judgement.
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People are too quick to believe some psycho girl. She could have made up any of the stories or added people she didn't like. You cant be quick to judge, especially from some psycho that killed herself.
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On March 11 2011 14:23 Dr_Strange wrote:
People are too quick to believe some psycho girl. She could have made up any of the stories or added people she didn't like. You cant be quick to judge, especially from some psycho that killed herself.
So people who kill themselves are automaticall psycho?
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On March 10 2011 21:00 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +sadly debating the accuracy of said statistics and the methods they gather them is a big no no by anyone and a good way to get fired as a professor or reporter because inflating the statistics only helps charities like RAINN / awareness.
Last edit: 2011-03-10 20:52:27 Firstly, its almost impossible to fire a professor.
I haven't particularly been following this line of conversation you are having, but regarding this comment... not exactly true. It is almost impossible to fire a professor for any reason that is not political in nature, but it's actually quite easy to get fired if you upset the apple cart.
Academia is incredibly political. Don't ever think your professors only got where they are through superior understanding of their subject. Even in fields like math and physics where politics simply don't belong the ugly truth is that you can't avoid it. It's unfortunate but it's true.
Sorry for threadjacking (although I did comment on topic much earlier in the thread). It's very unfortunate that the authorities aren't taking this tragedy more seriously.
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On March 11 2011 14:36 King K. Rool wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 14:23 Dr_Strange wrote:
People are too quick to believe some psycho girl. She could have made up any of the stories or added people she didn't like. You cant be quick to judge, especially from some psycho that killed herself. So people who kill themselves are automaticall psycho?
no, but its more than likely. hence why we should wait to get the facts.
the second you give up on life, is the second you no longer deserve it.
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I hope everyone responsible for these gets what's coming to them. This poor girl's life was completely ruined by these pigs and it looks like they're going to all get off with relatively minor punishments . . . wtf
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On March 11 2011 15:03 Nutype wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 14:36 King K. Rool wrote:On March 11 2011 14:23 Dr_Strange wrote:
People are too quick to believe some psycho girl. She could have made up any of the stories or added people she didn't like. You cant be quick to judge, especially from some psycho that killed herself. So people who kill themselves are automaticall psycho? no, but its more than likely. hence why we should wait to get the facts. the second you give up on life, is the second you no longer deserve it.
Really? You think all those suicidal people don't deserve their life because of shit that happen in their life? You're saying it like it's easy right now because you're fine, but what if some traumatic stuff happen in your life like your whole family die and you are paralyzed for life? You think those people are psycho and since they give up on life they no longer deserve it?
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On March 11 2011 15:03 Nutype wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 14:36 King K. Rool wrote:On March 11 2011 14:23 Dr_Strange wrote:
People are too quick to believe some psycho girl. She could have made up any of the stories or added people she didn't like. You cant be quick to judge, especially from some psycho that killed herself. So people who kill themselves are automaticall psycho? no, but its more than likely. hence why we should wait to get the facts. the second you give up on life, is the second you no longer deserve it.
That is one the most retarded logic I've ever heard so far.
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This thread is getting so off topic it isnt even funny.
This news made me ill, its pretty disgusting how people can treat each other.
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On March 11 2011 15:03 Nutype wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 14:36 King K. Rool wrote:On March 11 2011 14:23 Dr_Strange wrote:
People are too quick to believe some psycho girl. She could have made up any of the stories or added people she didn't like. You cant be quick to judge, especially from some psycho that killed herself. So people who kill themselves are automaticall psycho? no, but its more than likely. hence why we should wait to get the facts. the second you give up on life, is the second you no longer deserve it.
I dont think psycho means what you think it means.
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point is, life sucks. and im a douche
If everything here is indeed true, then i hope whoever was involved gets whatever they deserve. But that doesnt make killing yourself okay.
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On March 11 2011 13:14 dacthehork wrote:http://www.allkpop.com/2011/03/ifsl-netizens-respond-to-the-claims-of-jang-ja-yeons-letters-being-fabricatedonly news article I could find in english on it Basically the "fabrication" claims of the letter where bullshit and some experts from SBS and a second source confirm it's her handwriting and has details only she could know about. AKA Korean Government/police are trying to cover it up, while SBS and others re-confirm it's true. Will be interesting to see what happens because some of the names on the list are top 50 richest people in korea and almost all are big CEOs/producers. My personal guess is nothing because of how corrupt the investigation has already been.
Wow, it's a conspiracy O_o It just sounds like a bunch of behind-the-scenes is going on cause all the rich people have so much power.
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