WikiLeaks founder arrested in U.K. - Page 81

On August 21 2012 12:18 Euronyme wrote:
Can we have some like actual jabs at the Swedish justice system and the society at large instead of made up stuff that you found while googling "crazy person has opinions!"

How about this: After the trial and he's found innocent / after the trial and he's served his time, he can still be extradited to the US and serve a life sentence, as long as the court finds that there are no reasons to mistrust the Americans. The last time this happened the people involved still got tortured. I find the chance of him being extradited fairly small, but that's up for debate.
He can't be executed or tortured, but he can still be in prison for the rest of his life, and afaik American prisons are pretty close to what's considered torture.
Now that's a legitimate concern. The US have nothing in particular to gain from having him executed or tortured anyway as far as I can tell.
The wikileaks server is still on Swedish soil, and that's not going down any time soon.

Please, if you're going to make a post about the bad Swedish justice system, the biased Swedish politics, the bad Swedish view on women etc. Please please please please read the past 10 pages through and I promise you someone's already brought up proof with good sources that you're wrong.

On August 21 2012 12:18 Euronyme wrote:
Can we have some like actual jabs at the Swedish justice system and the society at large instead of made up stuff that you found while googling "crazy person has opinions!"

How about this: After the trial and he's found innocent / after the trial and he's served his time, he can still be extradited to the US and serve a life sentence, as long as the court finds that there are no reasons to mistrust the Americans. The last time this happened the people involved still got tortured. I find the chance of him being extradited fairly small, but that's up for debate.
He can't be executed or tortured, but he can still be in prison for the rest of his life, and afaik American prisons are pretty close to what's considered torture.
Now that's a legitimate concern. The US have nothing in particular to gain from having him executed or tortured anyway as far as I can tell.
The wikileaks server is still on Swedish soil, and that's not going down any time soon.

Please, if you're going to make a post about the bad Swedish justice system, the biased Swedish politics, the bad Swedish view on women etc. Please please please please read the past 10 pages through and I promise you someone's already brought up proof with good sources that you're wrong.

On August 21 2012 12:33 KlaCkoN wrote:

Sweden has historically never extridited white people to torture or death, Assange is fiiine. Like seriously wasnt there an article in aftonbladet a while ago about some dude on FBIs top 10 wanted list who lives openly in varberg with the american police being unable to do anything =p ?
The caveat "white people" is important though, as we have sent brown people out of sweden to be tortured by americans and 70 years ago we sent jews to be tortured by the germans.

On August 21 2012 08:24 one-one-one wrote:


Many of them are mentioned in the second article in my post.
Maybe my example was bad though, I might have confused things with other forums.
But that doesn't mean that this thread is free from other types of similar techniques...




I never said that it wasn't . I'm not admitting that it is true either though and an excerpt of a Swedish documentary on youtube does certainly not make it a fact.

On August 21 2012 08:24 one-one-one wrote:
The myth I talked about is that "Sweden's justice system has considerable blind spots with regards to anything involving women".
I just invalidated it because that statement is way to general. Anything involving women ....
You might argue about some specific cases or scenarios where something like that could have happened.
I saw no such thing....
In the real world, there is actually statistics debunking that myth which I have already given you earlier in this thread.

A Brief History of Swedish Sex
25 September 2010. Teenage couple breaks up.

Joakim, 18, spends an evening at his computer. He is in his boy’s room in his mother’s four room apartment. As usual he has spent some time with his girlfriend. She often stays over at his place as she has a lot of conflicts with her parents. The pair has sex practically every time they meet, oral as well as vaginal, which is no secret to the mother as the flat is not very sound proof. Sweden is still quite tolerant in these matters: Young people can have sex at home. The girlfriend herself says that they have a good relationship and that they like each other. They watch movies, meet friends and make trips on his moped. This evening she goes to bed while Joakim stays at his computer.

Before he goes to bed, he gets horny and wants to poke some fun at his sleeping girlfriend. He swings his penis in the air in front of her face and let’s it caress her between the lips to wake her up. She does, but dizzy with sleep she asks what he is doing, pushes him away, turns over and falls to sleep again.

Next day the girlfriend is picked up by her mother who brings her shopping for a journey she actually doesn’t want to make: Going to Finland with her parents on September 27 – 29. She would rather have stayed with Joakim. He calls her 2-3 times every day from his mother’s phone on her Finland tour to keep the girlfriend’s spirits up. When she returns from Finland she spends the night with him and they have sex as always.

On Saturday October 2, Joakim had to see his grandparents. He had promised to call his girlfriend the minute he returned home. He did not however, thinking it was too late. She is disappointed and wakes him up by a call the following morning and complains. The quarrel ends by Joakim saying that she has 24 hours to decide whether to continue seeing him. She says she does not want to stay together. Joakim returns her belongings.

5 April 2011. Joakim sentenced to prison for rape.

The sentence against Joakim, 18, is passed for the events on September 25, 2010. He gets four months’ imprisonment for rape and is convicted of paying damages to his ex-girlfriend. The girlfriend considered Joakim being the one breaking up although he only took her at her word and handed back her belongings.

The subsequent day she met her social worker to talk about her problems with her parents that she so far had been able to flee from to Joakim. She wondered what would happen if she would now report that Joakim one week earlier had woken her up with his penis between her lips. The social worker checked with the Police who said that in legal terms it could be a crime. The girl then reported her former boyfriend Joakim to them and asked for large damages. A chat conversation had been saved and used as evidence in court: “i put my cock in ur mouth once for 3 sec when u slept (…) did i force u to have it? it dont count as trying rape, just if i had continued, i stopped at once, i fucking tested it one time”

Three seconds of bodily touching between two persons in a relationship who normally have sex – including oral – every time they meet is however regarded as a serious crime in Sweden. It does not matter that they after this incident had sex as usual as soon as they were reunited after her trip to Finland. In the judgment one can read:

“Through the information it is proven that Joakim NNN at the time has put his erect penis in A’s mouth through improperly exploiting that she due to sleep was in a helpless state. The district court also finds that there has been a question of a sexual act that with with regard to the nature of the violation and the circumstances in general, is comparable to sexual intercourse. Joakim NNN is therefore guilty of rape (…) Rape according to Chapter 6, Article 1, second paragraph of the Penal Code carries a penalty of imprisonment for at least two years and a maximum of six years. If the offense under the circumstances is to be regarded as less serious, the sentence (…) is imprisonment not exceeding four years. If, in view of the circumstances , the crime is considered less aggravated, a sentence to imprisonment for at most four years shall, according the third paragraph, be imposed. (…) In this case, it has been the case of a short-term events. Joakim NNN has suspended his act as soon as A woke up and made it clear to him that she did not accept his actions. No violence or threat has been present. The District Court therefore finds that Joakim NNN shall be sentenced for rape under Chapter 6, Article 1, third paragraph of the Penal Code.”

If the proposal from the Center Party (c) in the Parliament on March 2, 2005, had won, 18-year-old Joakim would have been sentenced to two years’ imprisonment for his three-second contact between his and his girlfriend’s bodies that he immediately interrupted when she woke up, pushed him away and turned over to sleep again. If the current development of Justice policy proceeds it could very well be that ordinary bedroom behavior between two partners can lead to two years’ imprisonment. The ex-girlfriend demanded that Joakim pay 75,000 SEK (10,440 USD) in damages for the violation and 10,000 SEK (1,400 USD) for pain and suffering. The judge lowered this to 25,000 SEK (3,480 USD) and 5,000 SEK (700 USD) respectively. In the publicly available judgment the name, personal registration number, and address of the sentenced perpetrator Joakim is obviously written out. There is however no information whatsoever about the girlfriend, since her name is classified as secret, as always in rape cases in Sweden. We cannot even know her age. Due to her school situation (High School) she should be between 16 and 18. Age is not a case. She was in no way underage since the age of consent is 15 in Sweden.”

On August 21 2012 08:24 one-one-one wrote:
Just like 99% of Assange's zombies.