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Right, before I start, I really want to state that I am not a racist at all (Thats what we get called when we try and talk about the subject here, but I can assure you that two of my best friend are of Chinese and Indian decent however, they have been born and bred in th UK), I have no extremist views and I want to approach this in the most open minded way possible. I also want to know opinion on this from other people from the UK, Europe and all over the world.
The benefits of immigration is obvious, we import skilled workers from all over the world and have them put their skills to work here and over the years, this has really helped us as a country. It has helped us develope, it has helped our healthcare system become one of the if not the best in the world and the NHS would collapse over night if immigrant workers were taken away. This process is crucial to any country that wishes to sustain a stable economy. These workers also normally come from countries that are stable and respect if not practice western values (countires such as India, Japan, Western Europe ect ect)
Then we get the "unskilled" immigrants that our government started letting in on the mass scale after the 1960's. These workers normally do the jobs that no British person want to do and will work for minimum wage for most of the time. However, some of these immigrants choose not to work at all and lunge off our benefits and healthcare system. These immigrants normally come from more hostile countries such as Somalia, Zimbabwe or the middle east. This is when the problems begin I appeichiate that most "non-skilled" immigrants come to work hard and earn a better life but some of these people dont wish to adapt and live like british people, but instead want to transfer the life of their native country to the streets of Britain. There are such places in major UK cities such as London, Birmingham, Bradford, Leicster and Leeds where you will get beaten and spat on for being a native brit and crossing over into immigrant territories. These places are nearly as dangerous as Somalia, The middle east or wherever the immigrants come from.
Another problem with mass immigration is that neibourhoods change overnight and native people are forced to leave because of rise in violence and crime. There are pockets developing all over England that are no longer safe to go because of this. The immigrants that populate these areas are first generation immigrants from dangerous countries and because there is nothing else in the neibourhood, their children grow into dangerous criminals awell. An example of this process is in many London boroughs such as Hackney (47.1%) and Brent (30.9%) where the first generation immigrant population outnumber the native population. As for places you may know, Aston as in Aston Villa football cub has less than 20% of the popuation as British and Wembley as in Wembley Stadium has less than 5% of the population as British. There is also 220 school in England and Wales where 5% or less of the kids speak English (source = The Daily Telegraph so dont troll).
The main problem in all of this is that the Government just refuses to talk about the situation that has been developing over that last few decades and wrapps themselves up in political correctness, they need to learn that it isnt racist to talk about a problem, like hopefully, I am proving here.
One final thing, there is a government funded group called the UAF (Unite Against Fascism), irronically, they do this by being fascist. They riot in the streets and accuse people who have different view to their own of being racist. They think it should be a crime to fly the Union Jack as it may offend immigrants.
Thanks for reading and leave comments please.
Also, I got most if not all of my facts here from Wikipedia, if you doubt them, please check them up.
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The most popular baby name in Britain is Mohammed
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I dont think it is, it is about 3/4th most common. It is in London since 1 in 11 Londoners are Muslim.
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This is definitely a touchy subject. It seems like there are a lot of people who don't realize that some of the immigrants come in with absolutely no intention of assimilating into the new culture, working a job, or contributing to the economy. I'm all for letting immigrants of all skill/education levels come in, but I wish the U.S. had some sort of guest worker program that would allow these people to pay into the government programs they are benefiting from, which would in turn grant them expedited citizenship and they could become a full part of the system.
Those who immigrate and don't contribute to our society or economy and especially those who commit crimes in our country should be deported as soon as possible. I would imagine many citizens in the UK feel the same way.
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On November 05 2010 06:16 BlackJack wrote:
The most popular baby name in Britain is Mohammed
Number 16 actually. Oliver is the most popular name this year(usually its Jack)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11635125
Op makes some slight points followed by complete lies to incite hatred its a common propaganda technique but its obvious nowadays.
"British / Western "Culture"" died out decades ago state what you think it actually is and you'll realise what a bunch of crap your talking about.
The only thing immigrants should do or already be able to do is speak english.
The largest immigration problem in the UK is from Europeans that come here to work or claim benefits. I.e. a Belgian can move to the UK can claim jobseekers from the UK government but the amount they get is double that of a UK citizen claiming the same benefits.
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"I'm not racist, I have a Chinese/Black/Mexican/Indian friend!"
Not saying you are, but can we get rid of this horrible "proof" or "argument" or whatever the hell it's supposed to be.
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Australian system is the best in the world by a mile. Its easier to crawl up a badgers arse than get in that country. But I agree, many immigrants dont have the intension of working and go out of their way to be "offended".
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Having grown up near one of these immigrant areas i can confirm at least in my case that it is effectivly like walking into a different country where suddenly you are the minority. I think one of the biggest causes for this running out of control is something you highlighted early, NO ONE wants to talk about immigration out of fear of been called a racist, the country and government is under the grip of political correctness (eg:a simple nursery rhyme had to be changed from black sheep to rainbow sheep).
The big problem is identifying the hard working ones and the scrounging ones on an individual basis which would be very costly to an already strapped government cutting funding to all areas, as for the immigrant neighbourhoods i dont know what can fix it now it has reached such a level, and measures should just be put in place to hopefully prevent it happening elsewhere as the generations to come mix into society better.
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On November 05 2010 06:23 Adeeler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2010 06:16 BlackJack wrote:
The most popular baby name in Britain is Mohammed Number 16 actually. Oliver is the most popular name this year(usually its Jack) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11635125Op makes some slight points followed by complete lies to incite hatred its a common propaganda technique but its obvious nowadays.
How is telling the truth hate speech, im not trying to incite hate and I have no intension to. If immigrants work hard, obey they law and contribute to society, I have no problem.
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On November 05 2010 06:28 nekuodah wrote:
Having grown up near one of these immigrant areas i can confirm at least in my case that it is effectivly like walking into a different country where suddenly you are the minority. I think one of the biggest causes for this running out of control is something you highlighted early, NO ONE wants to talk about immigration out of fear of been called a racist, the country and government is under the grip of political correctness (eg:a simple nursery rhyme had to be changed from black sheep to rainbow sheep).
The big problem is identifying the hard working ones and the scrounging ones on an individual basis which would be very costly to an already strapped government cutting funding to all areas, as for the immigrant neighbourhoods i dont know what can fix it now it has reached such a level, and measures should just be put in place to hopefully prevent it happening elsewhere as the generations to come mix into society better.
I agree. Also, your no longer allowed to do the christmas play in schools because it may "offend" minority students. They are trying to change the name of christmas to "winter festival" in some places. WTF is this, I mean c'mon. Immigrants should adapt to our culture, not the other way around.
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I guess with the good comes the bad. Immigration is a necessity but you have to also deal with the related shit.
As I'm sure most of us know, the reason we need immigrants is to keep a steady population. But the same qualities that cause immigrants to have lots of kids also makes them somewhat of a nuisance.
btw, the shit you describe is present in Toronto as well 
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I agree. But its not just a UK problem, similar things are ocurring in places like paris, melbourne, sydney by different races and religions but common bad attitudes.
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On November 05 2010 06:32 Cain0 wrote:
Immigrants should adapt to our culture, not the other way around.
really? serioiusly? oh but its ok you have an indian friend. have you ever considered that both parties need to adapt? and they do adapt.
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Immigration policy in this country is a joke, but so is your layout, if you don't use paragraphs people will not want to read your essay so please use the enter key sometimes, it really helps.
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Citing London as an indicator of the UK is a complete joke, the place is about as non British as you can get. Its a global city of course its going to be a multicultural hub.
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Other then drinking alcohol, going to pubs every other day, and clubs on the weekend, watching the footie; what is British Culture?
Are you saying immigrants should all start drinking and going to pubs and clubs and becoming football/pop culture fans to be cultured? Coat it how ever you want your trying cover up racism.
UAF(Unite Against Facists) exists cos (EDL)English Defence League exists. EDL is new rally holding BNP group made by the racists rioting in the streets in any place with ethnic communities simply to try and incite hatred.
Also where exactly are there super dangerous areas in London etc i've lived here for 30 years and have yet to see anything like this and i've been to the most run down areas you could ever see in london and the north. London USED to have some areas like that for ethnic minorities in the old days of the Crays and the subsequent gangs but in the last decade real foreign gangs came in wiped all those cunts out and you can go around all over the place quite safely thanks to it.
You shouldn't be so selective in the so called facts you give, its really obvious.
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On November 05 2010 06:51 Adeeler wrote:
Other then drinking alcohol, going to pubs every other day, and clubs on the weekend, watching the footie; what is British Culture?
Are you saying immigrants should all start drinking and going to pubs and clubs and becoming football/pop culture fans to be cultured? Coat it how ever you want your trying cover up racism.
UAF(Unite Against Facists) exists cos (EDL)English Defence League exists. EDL is new rally holding BNP group made by the racists rioting in the streets in any place with ethnic communities simply to try and incite hatred.
You shouldn't be selective in the so called facts you give, its really obvious.
The rioting works both ways, and I find it kind of sickening to think we allow people to live and take taxpayers money, just to throw it back in our faces by rioting and protesting in the middle of a commemoration for our dead soldiers, yes they are a minority but they should NOT be allowed to stay in our country.
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Lol....first of all what a sad, depressing post to make.
You know the other day I was walking round Edinburgh, and Manchester a while back, and London a bit before that, and I walked past people from all different countries and cultures, speaking different languages to eachother in the street and practicing different religions at home. And you know what was funny, it made me really happy. Was like a hopeful moment where you thought everyone was going to get on and be OK.
There's this ridiculous notion of preserving British values and having pride in ones country. What is there possibly to be proud of? Do you know what the union jack has stood for over the centuries? And even now, look at Iraq and Afghanistan. Are you proud to be involved there? Basically any kind of patriotism is just you saying that your culture is better than everyone elses and that your people deserve preferential treatment. Why the fuck should we preserve British culture at the exclusion of others? What is that possibly going to do. Do you really think that due to Muslim immigration we won't have Christmas in a hundred years?
Now you say we should clamp down on lazy immigrants. Why not clamp down on the 100x greater number of lazy British people, who have no intention of working ever. Seriously, I know you say there are ghetto areas of big cities that you'll be attacked in (btw, they've always been there) but do you actually think immigrants are even remotely to blame for the majority of societies problems? Even the tiny minority of immigrants who cause problems don't significantly contribute.
Ok, now the next retarded point of your post. These people come from dangerous countries...so therefore they shouldn't be let in because they bring violence with them?
There are no such things as hostile countries btw. There are hostile people yes, and they exist everywhere, but do you think people from Somalia are hostile in general?
Personally, I say bring immigration on. Diversifies the country, brings people over actually willing to work, you can experience a greater spectrum of cultures and it fills the country with people that all have different attitudes to you. There are downsides yes, and yes they should learn English and accept British customs, but almost all do. And overall you just have to be overly patriotic/stupid/gullible to believe that immigration is even one of the serious problems facing the country today.
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Immigration actually adds value to the economy if you look at it statistically also "throw it back in our faces by rioting and protesting...." I've yet to see any of this happen personally. I know the daily mail and the rest of the murdoc media kicks up a big fuss over these so called "sponges" but really now, Britain is built on its multiculturalism and saying things like that is just juvenile.
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Alright first of all, the first generation of workers in the 60s were encouraged by the goverment to do those jobs wihch would not be done by the ''rich'' people, theyre legal sons and daughters are as much british(or whatever nationality) and have as much right on everything as you.
Sure,immigration should be controlled, because if not it will run out of hand but those people you talk about from the first generation and even theyre parents who have a britisch nationality aswell have as much right as you on the goods of the society.
The fact that some of them don't work but only live off the wage we give them is a problem yes, but its not only an immigrant problem but a problem for the british people.
And ofcourse, whatcha going to do about it? deport them to there ''own country''? they have nothing there,no job no house no living it is immoral, not to mention that consitution wise it is impossible.
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