EPTSecondly, to Reaper, my apologies...you didn't make it clear you were talking about that bill and I didn't recall that you had mentioned it in a previous post. You probably did, but with an 8 page thread, I tend not to read every single post. In any case, there's absolutely no reason that bill will inhibit Moore's movie advertisements. Unless the movie or its advertisements are being funded by a political party, then there's nothing the government can do about it...at least under McCain-Feingold.
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OriginalLogic
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Secondly, to Reaper, my apologies...you didn't make it clear you were talking about that bill and I didn't recall that you had mentioned it in a previous post. You probably did, but with an 8 page thread, I tend not to read every single post. In any case, there's absolutely no reason that bill will inhibit Moore's movie advertisements. Unless the movie or its advertisements are being funded by a political party, then there's nothing the government can do about it...at least under McCain-Feingold. | ||
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badteeth
Netherlands1416 Posts
On June 28 2004 15:22 HnR)Louder wrote: this thread supports my case that while the average american is stupid, the average foreigner is even more stupid This thread supports my case that while the average person is stupid, HnR)Louder is even more stupid. | ||
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TeCh)PsylO
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chobopeon
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On June 28 2004 09:09 x[ReaPeR]x wrote: Sarin and Mustard gas we found. Where did Jordanian terrorists get their weapons. Even UN says that WMD might have been shipped out and that Saddam was uncoopretive with inspectors. I've said this so many times. Then who should? (Not the UN) Also result of Bush decisions, victory against terrorism, hope for people of Iraq and Afghanistan. If it kills terrorists, then yes I like violence, compared to the alternative (more terrorism). This is an honest question, because I really haven't read the news about this particular thing: How do we know the weapons found in Iraq haven't been bought in by terrorists to be used on us, and not by Saddam? | ||
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chobopeon
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On June 28 2004 11:19 TeCh)PsylO wrote: How and why do you make the distinction between terrorism and war. why does he think War makes less terrorists? | ||
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Famouzze
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On June 28 2004 15:20 x[ReaPeR]x wrote: Not willing to explain a concept this basic. But because I am not a dumbass I will try: Terrorism : Random fucks operating outside geneva conventions trying to stir up shit against civilian poplations. Usually use Guerilla tactics. War : Government launching military operations (Geneva Convnetions may or may not be applicable), usually fights other military operations. I like these definitions. You're being honest about the fact that the only difference between the violence of the American government and the violence of an Arabic "terrorist" is what they call themselves while doing it. | ||
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ItchReliever
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TeCh)PsylO
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A war between nations is an army fighting another army. Terrorists tend to use terror (as in fear) to get their point across. They target civilians and other innocent people. There is a significant difference. So Famouzze is just being stupid in the above post. But we are not fighting an army. It is not an army vs an army. Terrorism : Random fucks operating outside geneva conventions trying to stir up shit against civilian poplations. Usually use Guerilla tactics. War : Government launching military operations (Geneva Convnetions may or may not be applicable), usually fights other military operations. You seem to want to use Geneva conventions in relation to "terrorist" but in relation to "war". Either we abide by the conventions or not. Any double standard is not worth arguing. Define "guerilla tactics" and explain why they are relevant. Whats the differance between a government funded military attacking a civilian population, and a "terrorist" attacking a civilian population? | ||
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ItchReliever
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TeCh)PsylO
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Mynock
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On June 29 2004 11:29 ItchReliever wrote: The US Army does not attack the civilian population. T_T OK, I have watched the movie. And in the light of messages like the one I quoted now I'd like to make another quote. One from Fahrenheit 9/11: "Ignorance... That we deal with with everyday people... Hheh... Cause they don't know... People think they know, but you don't know, I thought I knew... But I didn't know..." -Mynock | ||
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ItchReliever
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Hot_Bid
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that is why Moore had those parts about the kill-kill-burn music that the US troops were playing. | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
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ItchReliever
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Famouzze
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On June 29 2004 12:15 ItchReliever wrote: How does the US Army target civilians? Show me? http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040510/D82FRB680.html Red Cross report disclosed Monday said coalition intelligence officers estimated that 70-90 percent of Iraqi detainees were arrested by mistake | ||
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ItchReliever
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Famouzze
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70-90% is probably just as many civilians the US would be detaining if they were intentionally targeting civilians. or if not very slightly less. so what's your point? you think it's ok because the government says "those were by accident"? | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
itchreliever, this sentence means that there are innocent civilians being arrested in iraq. this means their rights are being abused. this means that the US Army is not targeting only "terrorists" but a much larger portion of the population (civilians). is it that hard to understand? unless you mean "targetted" as in "killed," then that is a whole other discussion. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
On June 29 2004 12:49 ItchReliever wrote: The clips that Mike Moore uses to make his points in this film may be real images, but it has been proven again and again that he blends the clips together to create a false impression. did you even see fahrenheit 9/11? | ||
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... the thing is that nobody can do nothing, but re-electing Bush won't help to smooth things ... oh wait, you can do something: DO NOT VOTE for him 
