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On May 18 2004 00:09 TeCh)PsylO wrote: Show nested quote +Exactly. You hate Bush so much that you twist the truth that is not convenient for you to hear Respect is earned, not given. Same goes for the lack there of, its a lesson I think you need to learn.
I don't believe in some Bush positions. I think in many cases he's too much Compassionate and not enough Conservative. He kind of delays too long before he takes action, and as we all know he is not the most earthshaking speaker in the world. What he needs to do is take lessons from Reagan - instead of giving his opponents a chance to doubt him, he's got to become the Great Communicator - THIS is why we're doing this, THIS is what will happen as a result, and THIS is the time where we need to put aside differences. Things like that would make him a much more impressive President in my book.
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On May 18 2004 00:22 Excalibur_Z wrote: Show nested quote +On May 18 2004 00:09 TeCh)PsylO wrote: Exactly. You hate Bush so much that you twist the truth that is not convenient for you to hear Respect is earned, not given. Same goes for the lack there of, its a lesson I think you need to learn. I don't believe in some Bush positions. I think in many cases he's too much Compassionate and not enough Conservative. He kind of delays too long before he takes action, and as we all know he is not the most earthshaking speaker in the world. What he needs to do is take lessons from Reagan - instead of giving his opponents a chance to doubt him, he's got to become the Great Communicator - THIS is why we're doing this, THIS is what will happen as a result, and THIS is the time where we need to put aside differences. Things like that would make him a much more impressive President in my book.
Too much compassionate and not enough conservative? Hoo boy am I glad we don't have you as president.
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To compassionate? Hows your love life?
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I believe Excal is certifiable. The guy reminds me of Timothy McVeigh.
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Yeah Excalibur, Reagan rocked.. 
His economic policies (known as supply-side economics, or as then-rival George Bush described them, "voodoo economics") were based on the idea that increasing military expenditures and cutting nondefense spending while simultaneously lowering taxes would stimulate the economy and thus increase government revenue. Unfortunately, this didn't happen. Whereas in 1980 the United States was a creditor nation, by the late 1980s it was the world's largest debtor nation.
He often told anecdotes, presented as true events, that later turned out to be scenes from movies. Even after he was made aware of this he would tell the same stories later, again presenting them as truth, again seemingly unaware that they weren't.
He also told stories to support his policies that were complete fabrications - the Cadillac-driving "Welfare Queen" he often referred to in his attacks on Aid to Families with Dependent Children did not exist, and the particulars of her lifestyle that he described were not even possible under the existing welfare system.
Was played up as a warrior against terrorism yet supported the government of El Salvador (which engaged in acts of terror against its own people), illegally supported a terrorist war against the Nicaraguan government (which often involved attacks on innocent Nicaraguan citizens), illegally sold arms to the terrorist state of Iran, and himself ordered a terrorist action against another country in his bombing of Libya. (I'm sorry, but bombing people in order to "send a message" is the very definition of a terrorist act.)
Was indicted by the World Court for his mining of Nicaraguan harbors, yet refused to stop.
The only ass he truly kicked was that of the tiny island nation of Grenada, whom we invaded in order to get some American medical students out after they (Grenada, not the students) allied with Cuba. Encouraged the idea, widespread in the 1980s, that it was America's right and responsibility to kick ass overseas.
Though not a churchgoer, courted and won the support of the Religious Right, some of his strongest allies.
Believed himself to be an instrument of God's wrath against the Soviet Union and often wondered aloud if it were his duty to unleash America's nuclear stockpile against them in the war of Armageddon.
Hired people like James Watt, Edwin Meese, and former CIA director George Bush.
Joked on the air, at a time when U.S.-Soviet relations were extremely tense, that he had outlawed Russia forever and would begin bombing them in five minutes.
Cut government funding of mental hospitals so they were forced to release thousands of mentally ill people onto the streets - almost single-handedly creating the homeless problem as we know it today.
Justified increased defense spending by portraying the Soviet Union as an unstoppable juggernaut that was ready to invade at any moment, a picture we now know to be completely false.
The oldest-ever President. Even my grandmother thought he was too old.
Cut the American people out of participation in their own government by classifying more government documents Top Secret than any administration in history.
Though constantly speechifying about family values, Reagan divorced his first wife. Ron and Nancy's own children didn't even seem to like them, and when he was shot none of them visited him in the hospital.
When bombing Libya, cited "Rambo" as an inspiration.
-http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=28723 :o
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On May 18 2004 00:27 mensrea wrote: I believe Excal is certifiable. The guy reminds me of Timothy McVeigh.
wasn't he the oaklahoma bomber? Or am I confused?
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On May 18 2004 00:24 TeCh)PsylO wrote: To compassionate? Hows your love life? 
No time, need money =) That Michigan trip put me in major debt.
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On May 17 2004 20:30 dronebabo wrote: they're sending in more troops from south korea.
T_T
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If only Jebb didnt rig Florida for his bro. =\\
Edit: I don't think Bush will get re-elected. I predict it would have been close; but now Bush wont get one gay vote. Each passing day, more people are getting sick of Bushs war mongering aswell.
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On May 18 2004 00:27 mensrea wrote: I believe Excal is certifiable. The guy reminds me of Timothy McVeigh.
I'm not gonna conspire with Iraqi intelligence and terror agents to blow up buildings and kill people =(
Anyway you guys are missing the point. You know what I mean =P Whereas Reagan would say "Mr. Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL." Bush would say "Berlin is a divided place. There are citizens there that want to be reunited with their friends on the other side of the wall."
Reagan did have opponents and enemies, but he spoke in such a way that even if you disagreed with him, you felt the sense of urgency and knew that such-and-such course of action must be done. Hence the Great Communicator and a great unifier =)
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On May 18 2004 00:37 Amnesty wrote: If only Jebb didnt rig Florida for his bro. =\\
lol ya man i no u r so rite
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Could you address this before continuing to call him the great communicator? I'll quote what I quoted earlier in case it was too much reading:
"He often told anecdotes, presented as true events, that later turned out to be scenes from movies. Even after he was made aware of this he would tell the same stories later, again presenting them as truth, again seemingly unaware that they weren't.
He also told stories to support his policies that were complete fabrications - the Cadillac-driving "Welfare Queen" he often referred to in his attacks on Aid to Families with Dependent Children did not exist, and the particulars of her lifestyle that he described were not even possible under the existing welfare system."
"Joked on the air, at a time when U.S.-Soviet relations were extremely tense, that he had outlawed Russia forever and would begin bombing them in five minutes."
"When bombing Libya, cited "Rambo" as an inspiration."
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On May 18 2004 00:52 Servolisk wrote: Could you address this before continuing to call him the great communicator? I'll quote what I quoted earlier in case it was too much reading:
"He often told anecdotes, presented as true events, that later turned out to be scenes from movies. Even after he was made aware of this he would tell the same stories later, again presenting them as truth, again seemingly unaware that they weren't.
He also told stories to support his policies that were complete fabrications - the Cadillac-driving "Welfare Queen" he often referred to in his attacks on Aid to Families with Dependent Children did not exist, and the particulars of her lifestyle that he described were not even possible under the existing welfare system."
"Joked on the air, at a time when U.S.-Soviet relations were extremely tense, that he had outlawed Russia forever and would begin bombing them in five minutes."
"When bombing Libya, cited "Rambo" as an inspiration." Actually excal might have a good point in that statement, Reagan got alot done in office by appealing to american people via television broadcasts.
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bush has to win the elections -_-;. Yeah..i'm a fucking conservative ---;
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If you think that bomb was enough "WMD" to go to war for. You can justify going to war against the entire world.
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On May 17 2004 21:24 Klogon wrote: He's still got a point.
Was his point that Saddam never destroyed all of his chemical weapons, since it came from Saddam?
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no doubt when they check where its made they will find that its made in the usa like all of iraq weapons
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Michigan is awesome =o
Cuz i live here!
but anyway i'd consider it liberal myself, most of the people here were in the automotive industry and knew what the real middle class was. With cities like Detroit with huge minority populations, i believe bush will lose again. Not to mention the vast amount of automotive jobs lost. I cant understand how anyone in michigan would vote republican
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NC will go to Bush! ~_~
*clap hands for gun-toting rednecks*
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On May 17 2004 20:43 Tai-Shu wrote: Show nested quote +On May 17 2004 19:47 Liquid`Drone wrote: one bomb really isn't that significant.. ;( and while I'm not claiming it was planted but that definitely wouldnt surprise me either :o
agreed
Indeed.
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