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Kau *
Profile Joined March 2007
Canada3500 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-13 16:14:55
July 13 2010 06:07 GMT
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Letter from the Editor

Dear Readers,

In case you missed it, the Random Pics thread is being closed. Also I still need people to do Troll Booth! Since no one is doing it at the moment, I'll just throw in random things. Also, don't miss Ver's guide to becoming awesome.

- Kau

Staff

Kau – Editor
Bloodyc0bbler – The Stove
Nyovne – IRC Comments
Grobyc – Ban of the Week
meeple – Troll Booth/Shit Bus
Thunk – Chalk talk
MystLord – VOD of the Week
Scaramanga – VOD of the Week

Table of Contents

Serious Business and Funsies ................ p1
The Stove .............................................. p2
Chalk Talk ............................................. p3
Semi-Funny IRC Comment of the Week ... p4
Random Image of the Week .................... p5
Troll Booth Willie .................................... p6
The Shit Bus .......................................... p6
Best of Blogs ......................................... p7
Ban of the Week .................................... p8
Vod of the Week .................................... p9

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Now in blog form!

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Starcraft 2 is back up! Try out a tips 'n tricks guide here. These are going to be the basis for pimpest plays later on. Starcraft was made around these tricks.

Some cool things in strategy this week, all of which have already been posted about in some way or another.
- Why Dreamliner is imba.
- Ver's PDF on how to improve. It's now a sticky.
- Zolan updated his complete Terran overview. Find it here.
- Some discussion on Terran early double command. Check it out here.

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http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=133744#11

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=133695&currentpage=23#451

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=128139&currentpage=7#128

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=134841#14
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=134841#20

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133367&currentpage=6#104

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Tazza was just temp banned for 2 days by riptide.

That account was created on 2009-05-13 12:39:35 and had 72 posts.

Reason: If you ever, ever, ever post a one word reply to a thread again, I will use every social networking service and Web 2.0 gimmick at my disposal to convince people that Justin Bieber, Daniel Radcliffe and that moron from Twilight all live at your place.

LunarisDream was just temp banned for 1 week by Kennigit.

That account was created on 2010-06-30 09:28:43 and had 3 posts.

Reason: 1 week ban is 1 week.

+ Show Spoiler [Reference] +

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133614&currentpage=4#62

DreaM)XeRO was just banned by Chill.

That account was created on 2008-12-16 03:20:08 and had 4667 posts.

Reason: You will never be allowed to post here again. I will be watching your account.

You fucked up. I hope it was worth it.

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From: DreaM)XeRO [ 4667 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: Your blog
Date: 7/3/10 06:22

thank you for the warning chill
i didnt know proper blog etiquette when.. uhm.. following a developing story
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Original Message:
Please do not open more blogs furthering this story for a few days. Either update your OP or post the update as a reply in your latest existing blog.

Also, just to be clear, if your story turns out to be false later you will be banned, because this kind of deception is unacceptable in a close community. I hope it is real and I wish you the best. If it's not, please just admit it now and don't drag it out for the people following your story.

Thanks!

+ Show Spoiler [References] +
It's a lot, but trust me, read it!

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=133049
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=133239
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=133372
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=133439
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=133695

+ Show Spoiler [*Sigh*, twice in a week?] +
Tazza was just temp banned for 1 week by Liquid`Nazgul.

That account was created on 2009-05-13 12:39:35 and had 82 posts.

Reason:
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LOL, he uses a Windows XP or possibly lower


LOL.


KeydOsBro was just banned by Tadzio.

That account was created on 2010-07-04 12:12:37 and had 1 posts.

Reason: You created an account to speculate on the size of Idra's penis? Good grief.

BPCoffee was just banned by EvilTeletubby.

That account was created on 2010-06-30 07:38:00 and had 27 posts.

Reason:

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On January 20 2010 07:40 TL.net Bot wrote:
AzureEye was just temp banned for 30 days by EvilTeletubby.

That account was created on 2008-12-11 17:18:20 and had 1314 posts.


Reason: For those who don't remember Azure, please read this thread.

He created a ZvT imbalance thread (as F13) then replied in support of himself on his alternate account Februarys. Over a year later, and he's still trolling with garbage arguments, absolutely refusing to ever actually debate or concede points.

The site is going to enjoy the next 30 days without you. When you return,

I FORBID YOU FROM PARTICIPATING IN ANY RACIAL IMBALANCE DISCUSSIONS.


Failure to comply will result in an immediate perm ban, and all of your known IP addresses will be blacklisted. This has nothing to do with censorship, this has to do with the fact that for the past year and a half you've done nothing but troll with the topic, derailing every thread you enter. You have demonstrated a complete inability to actually discuss a topic; you take your own word as gospel, refuse to accept facts/statistics backing up someone else's claim, and people trying to debate with you would have better success with a brick wall. You are abrasive and combative without even being instigated.

In short, you are a detriment to the website, and I sincerely hope you can change this attitude when you return.


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On July 06 2010 00:42 BPCoffee wrote:
I think your insight on TvZ doesn't go very deep and you only talk about scouting & reacting to prove your point that "TvZ is balanced". Scouting isn't even equal in this matchup, a Terran scans but Z has to overcome T's wall and sacrifice a unit just to see. Well, you forgot how versatile TvZ openings can be and how cost efficient Terran armies are. You also forgot to mention how Terran has the ability to control the pace of the game and Zergs always have to barely survive until hive tech hits, where it turns into a slightly more fair game from there (if T went bio, that is). The other thing is, Terran superior economy always > Zerg superior econmy, as proven by 14 CC > 3 hatch before pool or same number of bases more advantageous for Terran.

Oh, and you completely disregarded Mech and how Terran players use Mech's strong late game to overcome Zerg with 4+ gas. Or how current meta-game TvZ involves Terran abusing powerful late game mech by starting with bio to restrict the number of Z bases and then switching to Mech.

I would say your analysis is incomplete at best.


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JUST COULDN'T RESIST COULD YOU?!?

December12345 was just banned by riptide.

That account was created on 2010-07-04 12:30:37 and had 40 posts.

Reason:
Previously banned user blends in like a jungle cat. Then fails.


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+ Show Spoiler [Scara] +
Imo Effort would make an awesome protoss
(T)Flash < Fighting Spirit > (Z)EffOrt
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Light is the sexiest sc player ever
(T)Light < Odd-Eye 3 > (P)Kal
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+ Show Spoiler [Myst Last Week] +
Ok, I'll admit that I didn't watch too many games this week because of time, but I think I know what the game of the week undoubtedly is. Like last week, the games are ordered by what priority:

(T)Flash <Fighting Spirit> (Z)EffOrt
Game Length: Medium-Long
+ Show Spoiler [VOD] +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuyDY-K0uUE


Great fake out by Effort in the early game, getting him an advantage. But Flash's vessel control is seriously epic, and Flash starts climbing back in... This is the game that we wanted to see in the OSL Finals. Definitely watch!

(Z)YellOw <Grand Line SE> (Z)Calm
Game Length: Short-Medium
+ Show Spoiler [VOD] +


Epic ZvZ last week with YellOw vs Jaedong... Epic ZvZ this week between YellOw and Calm! How is this happening??

(P)Pusan <Fortress> (P)Movie
Game Length: Medium
No VOD yet


Double Robo Support? Anyway, that's not why you should watch this game. Some great pushes from both players!


+ Show Spoiler [Myst this week] +
Clearly some awesome games this past week... Let's get started!

(T)Classic <Grand Line SE> (Z)ZerO
Game Length: Medium-Long
+ Show Spoiler [VOD] +


Did someone open up a can of good old 2 port wraith goodness? Why yes. Did someone also do some seriously sick multi-tasking? WHY YES!

(Z)Calm <Fighting Spirit> (P)Bisu
Game Length: Medium
+ Show Spoiler [VOD] +


The entertainment value is high with this one... Damn exciting stuff!

(Z)Jaedong <Judgment Day> (P)Bisu
Game Length: Long
+ Show Spoiler [VOD] +


I did a BR of this game in last week's Proleague update. Sweet game, but a tiny mistake by Jaedong loses him his hard earned advantage. Can he come back???


+ Show Spoiler [ Scara this week] +
(P)Bisu < Judgment Day > (Z)Jaedong
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(Z)Calm < Fighting Spirit > (P)Bisu
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Awesome, Awesome games


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Question of the Week
Thoughts on the Random Pics thread being closed?
Moderator
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11557 Posts
July 13 2010 06:10 GMT
#2
oh man I missed the windows partition destroyer :o
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
July 13 2010 06:18 GMT
#3
DO NOT CLOSE RANDOM PICS THREAD!!!!
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-13 06:52:03
July 13 2010 06:47 GMT
#4
nice PX, those explore blogs where sweet.
As for the random pic thread, its time for it to go. and whats with the sweet new icon Kau?

edit: never mind about the icon, just saw the news post.
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
serenidite
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)505 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-13 07:03:46
July 13 2010 07:03 GMT
#5
On July 13 2010 15:18 Chairman Ray wrote:
DO NOT CLOSE RANDOM PICS THREAD!!!!

WAIT NOT THE BEST THREAD IN TL? :/
The random pics thread is the /b/ of Teamliquid

oh god no
" Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway."
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
July 13 2010 07:31 GMT
#6
Ehhh the random pics thread was shit up too much, so I'm not too sad to see it go, but it did get quite a few laughs out of me unfortunately :S
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-13 07:40:30
July 13 2010 07:33 GMT
#7
Oh thank jesus, I was waiting for the pony express to turn up :D

Edit: The pic thread being closed is saddening, but at least now I guess I won't have to look over my shoulder whenever clicking a NSFW apoiler :/
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
July 13 2010 07:37 GMT
#8
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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
July 13 2010 07:41 GMT
#9
On July 13 2010 16:37 boesthius wrote:
The random pics thread is getting re-opened, intrigue did state it in his post in said thread iirc. It's just gonna be moderated heavier sans NSFW photos...and pointless arguing -_-.

Also Kau, here's a good blog - has Roffles singing since he hasn't fulfilled his end of the grudgematch bet yet~ :D

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=135237

Good PX, once again~


I think the point that most people are unhappy with is that it will no longer be NSFW. Not that that's a bad thing, but people are concerned about why suddenly TL can't have NSFW images.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
July 13 2010 09:19 GMT
#10
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
July 13 2010 09:34 GMT
#11
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=135880
Edit that in please mr kau man supreme awesomesauce guy.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Kau *
Profile Joined March 2007
Canada3500 Posts
July 13 2010 13:47 GMT
#12
On July 13 2010 18:19 boesthius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2010 16:41 itzbrandnew wrote:
On July 13 2010 16:37 boesthius wrote:
The random pics thread is getting re-opened, intrigue did state it in his post in said thread iirc. It's just gonna be moderated heavier sans NSFW photos...and pointless arguing -_-.

Also Kau, here's a good blog - has Roffles singing since he hasn't fulfilled his end of the grudgematch bet yet~ :D

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=135237

Good PX, once again~


I think the point that most people are unhappy with is that it will no longer be NSFW. Not that that's a bad thing, but people are concerned about why suddenly TL can't have NSFW images.

It's because NSFW content is against google ads ToS, which I'm sure intrigue will mention(hopefully) when he recreates the new funny pictures thread.


So that means the current NSFW thread is gonna be completely nuked then? I can't imagine going through that thread and editing out all the NSFW content.
Moderator
fams
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada731 Posts
July 13 2010 16:02 GMT
#13
I'm so confused, why was the one user banned for his blogs? Just because he kept posting new ones instead of updating, or was it fake in the end?
http://www.twitter.com/famsytron/
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
July 13 2010 23:45 GMT
#14
Kau I love you
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
July 13 2010 23:57 GMT
#15
yayay PX. these aren't so common anymore
Writer
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
July 14 2010 00:05 GMT
#16
What are you talking about? There's one every week!
By the way, I think you should make the "Question of the Week" more noticeable. Like put it at the top or something. I think most people miss it when it's smushed at the bottom of the page.
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
July 14 2010 00:07 GMT
#17
Yeah, I never notice the question of the week until I see people answer them.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
July 14 2010 01:39 GMT
#18
On July 14 2010 01:02 fams wrote:
I'm so confused, why was the one user banned for his blogs? Just because he kept posting new ones instead of updating, or was it fake in the end?

Yeah it was fake, you can see it unfold in his last blog.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
bjornkavist
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1235 Posts
July 14 2010 02:48 GMT
#19
Lol this troll booth is exceptional its so intricate like a beautiful movie of bannings
https://soundcloud.com/bbols
Radio.active
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States121 Posts
July 14 2010 03:31 GMT
#20
Bisu vs Calm... easily one of the most hard fought comebacks that he has ever made.
-_-
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