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On June 13 2010 04:15 Aberu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 02:29 Whiplash wrote:On June 13 2010 02:22 Monst3r wrote:On June 13 2010 02:15 zer0das wrote:On June 13 2010 02:08 Monst3r wrote:
Why would Saudi Arabia do such a thing. Probably because Iran is a huge threat to the stability of their government... monarchy vs revolution. And whole region even. Nukes in the hands of Iran probably make them just as nervous as Israel. If America has nukes, every single country in the world deserves nukes too. You really think countries like Iran and North Korea are going to be more responsible with nukes than America? Which country has used nuclear technology in a war? USA, twice. Which country has the most bases around the world outside of their own country? USA. Which country has the most soldiers outside of it's own country? USA. How many countries that have acted this way in history have been viewed as ethical, and moral, in their use of war technology? 0. Currently, we live in an empire, and every single empire ever, has fallen from greatness at one time when it overextended itself to the point we have. Every single one. If you really want to know what is right and wrong, and what a country should do as far as wars, just look to history for the answers.
I'll help with a few examples.
Alexander's Empire
Roman Empire
Ottoman Empire
Spanish Empire
French Empire
British Empire
German Empire
U.S.S.R.
United States
Yes, we are on the decline. We had our "peak" in the decades after WW2 and now that we no longer have the excuse of communism, we can no longer justify our worldwide bases except for being the "global policemen".
Please don't ban me for this post, if you think that I'm trolling then just warn me and I'll delete it.
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For those of you advocating Iran having nuclear missiles, have you lost your minds?
I am not advocating that america be the only country with nuclear weapons, I wouldn't mind if a STABLE country get their hands on them. But to argue posts saying that Iran shouldn't have nuclear weapons is just downright ridiculous/retarded, and you all need to go back to school/watch the news more often to understand world politics a bit more before you get on the internet and post absurd things.
Iran is NOT a stable country, and has a corrupt/religiously based government (which is always bad).
Edit - Meaning stable ->government/army<- due to a later post
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Wow, people are getting their posts warned because of their opinions and views on this subject. It's similar to the real problem in that area: no matter the opinions and views of either side, whenever there is any shred of a chance for dialogue, you can guarantee someone will escalate the situation to ensure it dies a death
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Interesting tidbit of news. This thread is quickly turning into this and this.
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On June 13 2010 04:37 ranyhin wrote:
For those of you advocating Iran having nuclear missiles, have you lost your minds?
I am not advocating that america be the only country with nuclear weapons, I wouldn't mind if a STABLE country get their hands on them. But to argue posts saying that Iran shouldn't have nuclear weapons is just downright ridiculous/retarded, and you all need to go back to school/watch the news more often to understand world politics a bit more before you get on the internet and post absurd things.
Iran is NOT a stable country, and has a corrupt/religiously based government (which is always bad).
Not that I disagree with you or anything but you might want to re-word your post. Israel isn't exactly stable and has nuclear weapons. I would change it to stable government/military.
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On June 13 2010 04:38 reza wrote:
Wow, people are getting their posts warned because of their opinions and views on this subject. It's similar to the real problem in that area: no matter the opinions and views of either side, whenever there is any shred of a chance for dialogue, you can guarantee someone will escalate the situation to ensure it dies a death
The nature of your post makes that I'm reluctant banning you for it, but your ignorance and incapability of reading through the topic would be enough to get banned in another topic. Let's look at the bans:
- Crappy one liner post, user looked up and turns out to be a previously banned user who we asked to improve the quality of his posts.
- Mis-use of the word troll.
- Warning for complaining about a ban without bothering to open the ban-topic to look for a reason.
- Ban for swearing and yelling
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How many wars has USA fought in? How many chances did they have to use nukes? How many times did they? This is why people consider USA responsible. Same goes for Israel. If Israel has nukes, they haven't used them. I don't think Iran or any other nation has anything to worry about as long as they don't attack Israel, so they do not need them for defensive purposes. But we all know nukes bring political power.
Iran has made it clear that they don't want Israel to exist in its current state. I don't believe Iran has any real plans to use nukes though, they aren't suicidal. But I do think a nuclear Iran would destabilize the area even further. Wars are sometimes fought although neither side actually wants it. Things simply escalate and run out of control. This is why I think the fewer nations that acquire nukes, the better.
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On June 13 2010 02:35 SpartiK1S wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 02:22 Monst3r wrote:On June 13 2010 02:15 zer0das wrote:On June 13 2010 02:08 Monst3r wrote:
Why would Saudi Arabia do such a thing. Probably because Iran is a huge threat to the stability of their government... monarchy vs revolution. And whole region even. Nukes in the hands of Iran probably make them just as nervous as Israel. If America has nukes, every single country in the world deserves nukes too. wait wait wait, what the FU$%? "If America has nukes, EVERYONE GETS NUKES"????? You are either a teenager that doesn't understand world politics, or else a , god i can't say it without it getting deleted. What you are suggesting is the equivalent of giving a DOOMSDAY DEVICE to someone like a highschool bully. WHILE HE IS STILL IN HIGHSCHOOL! You are either an Iranian praying for America's downfall or else completely noob and retarded at world relations. We WORKED to get where we are in this world. We Americans, through fu$%ing sweat, blood, and death of WW2 saved the world from fascism, and discovered the most deadly weapon in the history of EVERYTHING on the way. Thats like winning a starcraft game, and then saying, bah, im too greedy, i should give the guy all my minerals and 3 hours to build while i go look at porn and lose. Just handing that treasure over to third world countries and such would result in EVERYONE DYING. Nigeria-"Hm, those neighbors we have, the Nigers, are stealing water from our well. NUKE THE FUCKERS!" Niger- "Oh SHIT! RETALIATE!" the REST OF AFRICA-"NUKES ARE FLYING! SHIT! EVERYONE RETALIATE!" Thats just a TASTE of something that could happen. No matter how good you are anyone deems you at computer games, world political relations takes more than "pro starcraft apm" to master and think about correctly.
Wow, you have no room to tell him that he doesn't know what he's talking about. From how you wrote this I would say you are either 10 or one of those 16 year old kids that think they know how the world works.
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Mmm, interesting piece of news. IMO that's just to provoke an answer of Iran or scare if off as in "don't move now Israel's backed up by Saudi Arabia".
However, I'm actually more scared by Pakistan and India than I'd ever be by Iran. Mainly because the Pakistani government seems a lot less stable atm and are loosing some parts of the country to tribal fighters. And regarding Iran, the leaders are, imo, just concerned in retaining their power over the country. Which is why their are all "we wanna blast Israel out of there" - blaming a nation of economy difficulties has always been the easy way. It can be noted that Israel's current behaviour facilitates it greatly.
Oh and regarding the US getting the A bomb, well, it's partly because of this that other countries acquired it.
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On June 13 2010 02:35 SpartiK1S wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 02:22 Monst3r wrote:On June 13 2010 02:15 zer0das wrote:On June 13 2010 02:08 Monst3r wrote:
Why would Saudi Arabia do such a thing. Probably because Iran is a huge threat to the stability of their government... monarchy vs revolution. And whole region even. Nukes in the hands of Iran probably make them just as nervous as Israel. If America has nukes, every single country in the world deserves nukes too. wait wait wait, what the FU$%? "If America has nukes, EVERYONE GETS NUKES"????? You are either a teenager that doesn't understand world politics, or else a , god i can't say it without it getting deleted. What you are suggesting is the equivalent of giving a DOOMSDAY DEVICE to someone like a highschool bully. WHILE HE IS STILL IN HIGHSCHOOL! You are either an Iranian praying for America's downfall or else completely noob and retarded at world relations. We WORKED to get where we are in this world. We Americans, through fu$%ing sweat, blood, and death of WW2 saved the world from fascism, and discovered the most deadly weapon in the history of EVERYTHING on the way. Thats like winning a starcraft game, and then saying, bah, im too greedy, i should give the guy all my minerals and 3 hours to build while i go look at porn and lose. Just handing that treasure over to third world countries and such would result in EVERYONE DYING. Nigeria-"Hm, those neighbors we have, the Nigers, are stealing water from our well. NUKE THE FUCKERS!" Niger- "Oh SHIT! RETALIATE!" the REST OF AFRICA-"NUKES ARE FLYING! SHIT! EVERYONE RETALIATE!" Thats just a TASTE of something that could happen. No matter how good you are anyone deems you at computer games, world political relations takes more than "pro starcraft apm" to master and think about correctly.
First off am say you are ignorant as fuck. Who is USA to deem countries what they can and can't have. If they have scientists working on these break-troughs to make the material then props to them. It's not that hard to make a nuke, the difficult part is purifying that Uranium, which is the most guarded secret any nation has with nuclear power.
Your argument is faulty. Just because the government is radical does not mean they are more prone to use the nuclear weapons than USA. I mean look at Israel, they don't have a necesseraly radical government but seem very willing to use nuclear weapons. Should we ban them from the use of nuclear weapons?
I mean look at China, they have nuclear weapons, they are communist, should we stop them? Look at Russia? I mean where do we draw the line on who can and can't have something if they invented it?
O and ummm, the people who actually invented the Nuclear Bomb were scientists who escaped from Nazi Germans in Europe. Just a small history lesson for ya.
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Iran has Hezbollah to it's dirty work around the world. Not to mention the constant smuggling of arms into Iraq. You also must take into account the slaughtering of it's own civilians to keep some in power.
the main problem with Iran having a nuke is not so much of them using it, but who they would give it to.
Irans a lose cannon, Not so much like North Korea (which at the most is somewhat predicable).
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Every times there is a post about Israel, you see the exact same faces.
I agree with you BeJe77 but saying that China is communist is a bit... well ^^
Israel is a "reponsible" country, killing thousands of civilian, breaking international law as they please and kidnapping people in the sea.
Don't mess USA & Israel please...
edit: lol Ghost[Shield] how you fear to be called antisemitic... don't worry you are not on TV.
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On June 13 2010 02:08 Monst3r wrote:
Why would Saudi Arabia do such a thing.
Saudi Arabia and the United States are allies. More importantly since S. Arabia is about the only ally US has in the area beyond Israel which is nominally small in the geographic location.
The Israeli lobby in the US is powerful, influential and has successfully lobbied for large amounts of support both economically and militarily with Israel. See how the dots connect?
Check out this book if you want to read about how Israel lobby policy has fundamentally affected American Foreign Policy.
+ Show Spoiler +
Please do not spam or quote my post as anti-semitic or seeming critical of Israel, I though this would help understand the situation.
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Israel needs to resist the temptation to bomb Iran. Iran is going to be at civil war in the next 10-15 years and aggrevating them will only unite the country behind its leader. Israel just needs to wait, the CIA will start a revolution in Iran soon enough.
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imo 2 possiblities
- either iran didnt cooperate fully with the saudis about leting them drill a oil pipe to their reserves and that iran is doing what usa wants it to do with the nuclear material by converting em to rods so there is no way they can make em into nukes
- other is that its a trap and they wanna fuck over israil LOL
either way saudis wanna fuck some1
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On June 13 2010 05:51 GhoSt[shield] wrote:Saudi Arabia and the United States are allies. More importantly since S. Arabia is about the only ally US has in the area beyond Israel which is nominally small in the geographic location. The Israeli lobby in the US is powerful, influential and has successfully lobbied for large amounts of support both economically and militarily with Israel. See how the dots connect? Check out this book if you want to read about how Israel lobby policy has fundamentally affected American Foreign Policy. + Show Spoiler +Please do not spam or quote my post as anti-semitic or seeming critical of Israel, I though this would help understand the situation.
Nice book recommendation, reviews seem to indicate it's a pretty good book too. Just placed an order 
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On June 13 2010 05:49 ArKaDo wrote:
Every times there is a post about Israel, you see the exact same faces.
I agree with you BeJe77 but saying that China is communist is a bit... well ^^
Israel is a "reponsible" country, killing thousands of civilian, breaking international law as they please and kidnapping people in the sea.
Don't mess USA & Israel please...
edit: lol Ghost[Shield] how you fear to be called antisemitic... don't worry you are not on TV.
You're so neutral, your mom calls you a wikipedia article.
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On June 13 2010 05:49 ArKaDo wrote:
Every times there is a post about Israel, you see the exact same faces.
I agree with you BeJe77 but saying that China is communist is a bit... well ^^
Israel is a "reponsible" country, killing thousands of civilian, breaking international law as they please and kidnapping people in the sea.
Don't mess USA & Israel please...
edit: lol Ghost[Shield] how you fear to be called antisemitic... don't worry you are not on TV.
Was that necessarily, I see you here?
So I ask you what does my post have to do with Israel? Nothing! it's purely about Iran and nothing else
Iran is not doing what the USA wants it to in terms of Uranium enrichment.
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On June 13 2010 03:57 Pervect wrote:
Claiming that other countries deserve nukes because America has them or that only America deserves nuke because "fuck yeah glorious America that always does the right thing and has never wrongfully hurt anyone" is retarded.
Everyone should be pushing to ensure that Iran complies with the IAEA, everyone should be pushing to force Israel, Pakistan, India and North Korea to sign the NPT and undergo inspections from the IAEA and everyone should be pushing for America, Russia, United Kingdom, France and China to dismantle their weapons as quickly and safely as possible. Stop giving a shit about just your country or hating on just one country and start giving a shit about the entirety of humanity.
I'm glad at least one person thinks the same as me. Weapons, violence and war won't ever cause anything good or related with peace (fight war to get peace is so ironical, ignorantly blind to believe such things). However sadly this is only a wish and dream of mine, though i believe time will come and revolution will bring true changes
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