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ShroomyD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Australia245 Posts
November 12 2009 05:46 GMT
#61
On November 12 2009 14:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
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On November 12 2009 14:32 theron[wdt] wrote:
i dont think itll happen.


It's not going to happen. Ever. This is just an absurd idea. Right now all the states are depending on the national government. You really think that any state can survive with out money? Almost every state is in bankruptcy. The idea in general shouldn't even be thought of either way.

Oh really?~ this article seems to say that texas could survive independently~!
http://www.examiner.com/x-24030-Texas-Nationalist-Examiner~y2009m10d12-Could-an-independent-Texas-survive-economically-The-facts-say-Yes

아나코자본주의
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
November 12 2009 05:46 GMT
#62
Hey now the US will expand! We will get Puetro Rico sometime!
Never Knows Best.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
November 12 2009 05:49 GMT
#63
On November 12 2009 14:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2009 14:32 theron[wdt] wrote:
i dont think itll happen.


It's not going to happen. Ever. This is just an absurd idea. Right now all the states are depending on the national government. You really think that any state can survive with out money? Almost every state is in bankruptcy. The idea in general shouldn't even be thought of either way.


Wealth is not created by the federal government but by the people. The government then taxes the people or borrows against future tax revenues and redistributes the funds as it sees fit. there is no free lunch at a national level.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Undisputed-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States379 Posts
November 12 2009 05:52 GMT
#64
On November 12 2009 14:34 ShroomyD wrote:
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On November 12 2009 14:18 jalstar wrote:
On November 12 2009 14:15 ShroomyD wrote:
On November 12 2009 12:30 tree.hugger wrote:
No, it's true, I may have been wrong to characterize secession as treason. The session of the Confederacy wasn't the main act of treason, the firing upon territory held by the Union Army was.
Some would take the resupplying of Fort Sumter as Union aggression on the South(twas in Charleston county right?), giving a sort of casus belli to both sides (sounds like someone was getting ready for way~!!).


resupplying does not equal firing. and i don't think the soldiers there chose to secede.

well it seemed like the people of south carolina did :S the thing with democracy is that you can vote with your feet~! no need to start a war over your stubbornness``1~!~!~!`1~!!~1111!!!


The US is not a democracy
Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.
ShroomyD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Australia245 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-12 06:01:58
November 12 2009 06:00 GMT
#65
[quote]The US is not a democracy[/quote ]
ohhh the beauty of oligarchy~!!!
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.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-12 06:30:02
November 12 2009 06:02 GMT
#66
I've heard this talk from a professor a few years ago that said it's possible for America to fall apart in 10 years. it's possible, hard to imagine that it'd.

but seceding is totally different. like Tibet to China, US will never tolerate the breakup of its union. It's a symbolic sacrilege like gagging and humping the lady liberty while the abled just watched uselessly, complete emasculation.
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.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-12 06:33:05
November 12 2009 06:05 GMT
#67
On November 12 2009 12:06 Carnac wrote:
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On November 12 2009 12:03 tree.hugger wrote:
Reminds me of this dude.

hahahaha, wow

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this is great

nothing strange about this

when there's a power vacuum, other interests naturally swoop in and take up shop

I'd imagine China to be just such a case if the world wars hadn't happened, and later the communist hadn't retained control

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jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
November 12 2009 06:09 GMT
#68
On November 12 2009 14:46 ShroomyD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2009 14:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 12 2009 14:32 theron[wdt] wrote:
i dont think itll happen.


It's not going to happen. Ever. This is just an absurd idea. Right now all the states are depending on the national government. You really think that any state can survive with out money? Almost every state is in bankruptcy. The idea in general shouldn't even be thought of either way.

Oh really?~ this article seems to say that texas could survive independently~!
http://www.examiner.com/x-24030-Texas-Nationalist-Examiner~y2009m10d12-Could-an-independent-Texas-survive-economically-The-facts-say-Yes



wow, the comments on that site are pretty wack
Undisputed-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States379 Posts
November 12 2009 06:10 GMT
#69
[QUOTE]On November 12 2009 15:00 ShroomyD wrote:
[quote]The US is not a democracy[/quote ]
ohhh the beauty of oligarchy~!!![/QUOTE]

...Republic
Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-12 06:14:42
November 12 2009 06:13 GMT
#70

On November 12 2009 15:10 Undisputed- wrote:
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The US is not a democracy[/QUOTE ]
ohhh the beauty of oligarchy~!!!


...Republic
It seems to me like you're just arguing semantics.
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
November 12 2009 06:38 GMT
#71
None of the states will ever secede. Those southerners tried to do it about 150 years ago. Remember how well that turned out?
U Gotta Skate.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
November 12 2009 06:51 GMT
#72
I think Texas seceding would be hilarious. I would love that.
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
November 12 2009 07:35 GMT
#73
economically yes, but just imagine what would happen if texas leaves the constitutional protection of the US

they got no army.
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10825 Posts
November 12 2009 07:40 GMT
#74
On November 12 2009 16:35 .risingdragoon wrote:
economically yes, but just imagine what would happen if texas leaves the constitutional protection of the US

they got no army.


Yeah, and who is gonna attack them.. Except the US?
Choros
Profile Joined September 2007
Australia530 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-12 07:54:44
November 12 2009 07:47 GMT
#75
On November 12 2009 16:35 .risingdragoon wrote:
economically yes, but just imagine what would happen if texas leaves the constitutional protection of the US

they got no army.

National Guard? They are supposed to be the states army but they are unconstitutionally sent overseas now days.

Apparently some States have actually started to print their own currency also in response to the one saying they got no money. Legally they can print their own currency but they cannot mint their own coins.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/wayoflife/04/22/printing.own.currency/index.html
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2009-04-05-scrip_N.htm

Also there is one state which has actually got a government controlled bank (very useful thing to have) and it is one of only 4 States that have avoided insolvency. That state is North Dakota.
http://www.prorev.com/2009/03/how-north-dakotas-banking-system-could.html
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
November 12 2009 07:50 GMT
#76
USA will never split. Though our ideals vary, every state strongly believes in the notion of unity.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
November 12 2009 07:57 GMT
#77
As of right now, there is far too great of a socio-economic benefit from being in the US. Unless this changes DRAMATICALLY (along the lines of wide-spread poverty), or something completely ridiculous happens that shifts the world in a difficult to predict fashion, I doubt this will happen. Maybe in a few hundred years, but the US isn't quite as much of a vulnerable "nation state" as other countries have been. We rely too much on the central government.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 12 2009 08:01 GMT
#78
On November 12 2009 12:00 BuGzlToOnl wrote:
As far as I know Pennsylvania is the only commonwealth in the US.

It's not actually a state, but gets counted as one for some unknown reason. Technically we've been "seceded" from the rest of the US since the beginning.

Kentucky is a commonwealth. I think there are at least 5 or 6?
Vedic
Profile Joined March 2008
United States582 Posts
November 12 2009 08:48 GMT
#79
I think 20 years is optimistic.
I tried to commit seppuku, but I accidentally committed bukkake.
Loanshark
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
China3094 Posts
November 12 2009 09:21 GMT
#80
American Civil War 2, anyone?
No dough, no go. And no mercy.
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