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KingV
Profile Joined April 2009
United States97 Posts
November 12 2009 03:16 GMT
#21
China basically owns the USA. The only way to break free is from going to war with them. I don't really think any state would partway from the USA.
"Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment"
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44374 Posts
November 12 2009 03:19 GMT
#22
On November 12 2009 12:06 Carnac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2009 12:03 tree.hugger wrote:
Reminds me of this dude.

hahahaha, wow

[image loading]


this is great

If this guy is legit then I could totally make it on the Russian lecture circuit. I'll predict the downfall of Russia's rivals and the awakening of the Russian bear for as long as they keep paying me.
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
November 12 2009 03:20 GMT
#23
On November 12 2009 12:09 MoltkeWarding wrote:
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On November 12 2009 12:03 tree.hugger wrote:
Reminds me of this dude.

Look, there's absolutely no reason for any state to leave the United States right now, the interests of our individual states are too intertwined, and the politics of becomming a country would be too messy. Not to mention that little thing called... uh... treason.


Treason is specifically defined in the constitution. I do not think secession alone qualifies.


Secession is not treason. Making war against the states is treason. So leaving peacefully isn't treason.

On November 12 2009 12:14 Sadist wrote:
where the fuck were all these people when bush was in office. Seriously. Seceding from the US has got to be the most dumb fucking idea ive ever heard in my life.


It's not inconceivable. I would have voted for secession from union during Bush.
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Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
November 12 2009 03:22 GMT
#24
On November 12 2009 12:20 TanGeng wrote:
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On November 12 2009 12:09 MoltkeWarding wrote:
On November 12 2009 12:03 tree.hugger wrote:
Reminds me of this dude.

Look, there's absolutely no reason for any state to leave the United States right now, the interests of our individual states are too intertwined, and the politics of becomming a country would be too messy. Not to mention that little thing called... uh... treason.


Treason is specifically defined in the constitution. I do not think secession alone qualifies.


Secession is not treason. Making war against the states is treason. So leaving peacefully isn't treason.

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On November 12 2009 12:14 Sadist wrote:
where the fuck were all these people when bush was in office. Seriously. Seceding from the US has got to be the most dumb fucking idea ive ever heard in my life.


It's not inconceivable. I would have voted for secession from union during Bush.



and youd be a fucking moron. Why stop there? Why not secede from states governments? Why stop there why not secede from counties? Cities? Townships? Streets? Households? Life?
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
November 12 2009 03:22 GMT
#25
On November 12 2009 12:22 Sadist wrote:
and youd be a fucking moron. Why stop there? Why not secede from states governments? Why stop there why not secede from counties? Cities? Townships? Streets? Households? Life?


Why not! Look at what Europe eventually becomes.
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motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
November 12 2009 03:24 GMT
#26
Secession would probably be followed by a trade embargo to the relevant state and thus simply isn't worth it.
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-12 03:27:55
November 12 2009 03:26 GMT
#27
On November 12 2009 12:24 motbob wrote:
Secession would probably be followed by a trade embargo to the relevant state and thus simply isn't worth it.

Again. Secession is quite inconceivable unless the central government is significantly weakened. Despite secession not being treason, states would have to contend with the federal government and its pull. That's what would bring the embargo, and that's the "might make right" justification for American Civil War

Anyways watch the video now that it's available. It'll provide a historical perspecitve - a long view - of the durability of large nation states / empires.
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Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
November 12 2009 03:29 GMT
#28
Absolutely not. There's no reason for any state to actually secede from the US.

The only other example we have was back in 1860, and I certainly don't see any state or any group of states that might believe that they lack power in the national government.
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-12 03:40:12
November 12 2009 03:30 GMT
#29
No, it's true, I may have been wrong to characterize secession as treason. The session of the Confederacy wasn't the main act of treason, the firing upon territory held by the Union Army was.

Treason is defined in the constitution as:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.


So I'm not entirely correct. But secession leads to conflict almost inevitably, and secession falls under the definition of treason in other countries.

But this is a dumb topic. I would doubt the would be even a third of citizens in any state that would support secession. It just makes no sense whatsoever. The two great things about that map are the concept that Kentucky and Tennessee (and WV, VA, NC, SC, ect.) would somehow join the European Union, and that the Midwest would become part of Canada. Canadian influence? Hahahaha, good one.
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Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
November 12 2009 03:32 GMT
#30
Im also mystified by this allegiance to states. What the fuck.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
November 12 2009 03:34 GMT
#31
First of all it's called "secession" not session

And secession isn't necessarily considered treason. In the Civil War, the Confederate States of America was described as a "rebellion initiated by a group of individuals", not a treasonous action.
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 12 2009 03:41 GMT
#32
Secession would be hilarious.

Do it.
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
November 12 2009 03:42 GMT
#33
On November 12 2009 12:41 koreasilver wrote:
Secession would be hilarious.

Do it.

Come on, Quebec!
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 12 2009 03:44 GMT
#34
Quebec got pretty close, but the separatist movement has really died down a lot compared to back then. Not anytime soon.
EAGER-beaver
Profile Joined March 2004
Canada2799 Posts
November 12 2009 03:44 GMT
#35
On November 12 2009 12:41 koreasilver wrote:
Secession would be hilarious.

Do it.


As long as we don't get stuck with detroit I'm cool with it.
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Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
November 12 2009 03:48 GMT
#36
its the US of freaking A
splitting any would just make them. the So-so kinda related nobody really knows whats going on States of America. :O
[~~The Impossible Leads To Invention~~] CJ Entusman #52 The problem with internet quotations is that they are hard to verify -Abraham Lincoln c.1863
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
November 12 2009 03:51 GMT
#37
Guys, remember what happened last time some states tried to split from the U.S? The exact same thing will happen again.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-12 03:51:48
November 12 2009 03:51 GMT
#38
On November 12 2009 12:44 EAGER-beaver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2009 12:41 koreasilver wrote:
Secession would be hilarious.

Do it.


As long as we don't get stuck with detroit I'm cool with it.

lol according to that Russian, Canada gets stuck with all the shitty states.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
November 12 2009 03:53 GMT
#39
On November 12 2009 12:06 Carnac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2009 12:03 tree.hugger wrote:
Reminds me of this dude.

hahahaha, wow

[image loading]


this is great


IMO, michigan/minnesota/washington would go to canada, new england + all the stuff down to maryland might go to europe, florida / (cali+nevada) would become separate nations, everything else east / west of mississippi splits into two nations.

rofl... :D
:)
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
November 12 2009 03:55 GMT
#40
Canada always get shit states
who the fuck wants north dakota...
[~~The Impossible Leads To Invention~~] CJ Entusman #52 The problem with internet quotations is that they are hard to verify -Abraham Lincoln c.1863
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