EPTSecession in the United States - Page 2
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KingV
United States97 Posts
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KwarK
United States43866 Posts
If this guy is legit then I could totally make it on the Russian lecture circuit. I'll predict the downfall of Russia's rivals and the awakening of the Russian bear for as long as they keep paying me. | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On November 12 2009 12:09 MoltkeWarding wrote: Treason is specifically defined in the constitution. I do not think secession alone qualifies. Secession is not treason. Making war against the states is treason. So leaving peacefully isn't treason. On November 12 2009 12:14 Sadist wrote: where the fuck were all these people when bush was in office. Seriously. Seceding from the US has got to be the most dumb fucking idea ive ever heard in my life. It's not inconceivable. I would have voted for secession from union during Bush. | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On November 12 2009 12:20 TanGeng wrote: Secession is not treason. Making war against the states is treason. So leaving peacefully isn't treason. It's not inconceivable. I would have voted for secession from union during Bush. and youd be a fucking moron. Why stop there? Why not secede from states governments? Why stop there why not secede from counties? Cities? Townships? Streets? Households? Life? | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On November 12 2009 12:22 Sadist wrote: and youd be a fucking moron. Why stop there? Why not secede from states governments? Why stop there why not secede from counties? Cities? Townships? Streets? Households? Life? Why not! Look at what Europe eventually becomes. | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On November 12 2009 12:24 motbob wrote: Secession would probably be followed by a trade embargo to the relevant state and thus simply isn't worth it. Again. Secession is quite inconceivable unless the central government is significantly weakened. Despite secession not being treason, states would have to contend with the federal government and its pull. That's what would bring the embargo, and that's the "might make right" justification for American Civil War Anyways watch the video now that it's available. It'll provide a historical perspecitve - a long view - of the durability of large nation states / empires. | ||
Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
The only other example we have was back in 1860, and I certainly don't see any state or any group of states that might believe that they lack power in the national government. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Treason is defined in the constitution as: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. So I'm not entirely correct. But secession leads to conflict almost inevitably, and secession falls under the definition of treason in other countries. But this is a dumb topic. I would doubt the would be even a third of citizens in any state that would support secession. It just makes no sense whatsoever. The two great things about that map are the concept that Kentucky and Tennessee (and WV, VA, NC, SC, ect.) would somehow join the European Union, and that the Midwest would become part of Canada. Canadian influence? Hahahaha, good one. | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
 And secession isn't necessarily considered treason. In the Civil War, the Confederate States of America was described as a "rebellion initiated by a group of individuals", not a treasonous action. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
Do it. | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On November 12 2009 12:41 koreasilver wrote: Secession would be hilarious. Do it. Come on, Quebec! | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
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EAGER-beaver
Canada2799 Posts
On November 12 2009 12:41 koreasilver wrote: Secession would be hilarious. Do it. As long as we don't get stuck with detroit I'm cool with it. | ||
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
splitting any would just make them. the So-so kinda related nobody really knows whats going on States of America. :O | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On November 12 2009 12:44 EAGER-beaver wrote: As long as we don't get stuck with detroit I'm cool with it. lol according to that Russian, Canada gets stuck with all the shitty states. | ||
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China13814 Posts
IMO, michigan/minnesota/washington would go to canada, new england + all the stuff down to maryland might go to europe, florida / (cali+nevada) would become separate nations, everything else east / west of mississippi splits into two nations. rofl... :D | ||
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
who the fuck wants north dakota... | ||
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