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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On November 12 2009 19:05 StarBrift wrote: Of course they should be allowed as long as they can qualify for the same physical tests the males takes. | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
On November 13 2009 01:28 iloveHieu wrote: I've seen so many threads on the internet about this topic jesus. Despite how many fools say women should be allowed it won't happen and there's many good reasons for it. Front line of fire is for men, leave it to them. Would you say that if you were a woman though? | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
Sexual assault/harassment is irrelevant - it is up to the woman to decide whether or not it is worth it. Are we going to ban women from walking alone in the street at night and only permit men to do so simply because women are more likely to be sexually assaulted? Bah... Don't let pregnant women fight..? Military budget is in a crisis - I wouldn't doubt it. But we are also SEVERELY lacking "man"power (haha) and we are in desperate need of whoever we can get. The men being physically stronger is completely irrelevant to me. It should rather be if you possess a certain amount of physical strength/endurance (etc.), say "X" amount, that you can be qualified for doing what you want. Maybe men on average will achieve X 300% of the time more than women, but the women who CAN achieve X should be able to join. | ||
KwarK
United States43753 Posts
On November 12 2009 19:15 Tenryu wrote: You can argue all you want but unless you have experience in the situation, i dont wanna hear it =\ Says the guy quoting wikianswers. As the saying goes, 'citation needed'. | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
Physics does count, but some do have it, and moreover, I think they can earn the respect necessary to do their job properly, and have a psychological edge on a lot of men, and that is also very important in many tough situations. Of course there are drawbacks to being a woman in such situations, but I think some woman would be better at the job than a lot of men. | ||
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0neheart
United States92 Posts
it's not a "man or woman" thing regarding physical health in the military: if you pass the *SAME* tests, then you should be able to get in. however, psychologically (like the thing with men protecting women), imo that is where the problem lies. | ||
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iloveHieu
United States1919 Posts
On November 13 2009 06:16 micronesia wrote: The same exact post you made could be used for pretty much every issue ever that women have since gained access to. ex Calling someone a fool without any legit justification is rather foolish, don't you think? Not on this matter, I was more hoping people would use common sense. Women aren't built to fight in general and will create a mess in the front line of fire. | ||
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iloveHieu
United States1919 Posts
On November 13 2009 06:19 Foucault wrote: Would you say that if you were a woman though? Oh, most definitely. And I'm pretty sure the majority of women wouldn't want be in direct combat in the first place. Thanks heaven I'm a guy though, things are simpler! | ||
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AnWh
Sweden220 Posts
On November 13 2009 18:35 iloveHieu wrote: Oh, most definitely. And I'm pretty sure the majority of women wouldn't want be in direct combat in the first place. Thanks heaven I'm a guy though, things are simpler! "not built to fight", "common sense", "things being simpler being a man" and as if the majority of men would enjoy to be in direct combat? rofl im sure you got alot of doubters convinced now | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
On November 13 2009 06:19 Foucault wrote: Would you say that if you were a woman though? Umm this is bullshit reasoning, there are all sorts of logical reasons why women shouldn't be allowed in the thread. | ||
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KwarK
United States43753 Posts
On November 13 2009 18:31 iloveHieu wrote: Not on this matter, I was more hoping people would use common sense. Women aren't built to fight in general and will create a mess in the front line of fire. People aren't built at all. Men were not purposefully designed by a creator for an aptitude at modern combat, if they were, they'd look like tanks. There is nothing natural about a modern firefight. Evolution has no purpose, no mind, it is simply a process. Men are just bundles of flesh, muscle, bones and sexual organs designed to sustain their DNA and pass it on to someone else. So are women. Don't give me bullshit about nature. You have no science backing up your fundamentally sexist assumptions. As micronesia pointed out to your earlier sexist comment you can simply go. Not on this matter, I was more hoping people would use common sense. Women aren't built to work in general and will create a mess in the workplace. | ||
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stenole
Norway869 Posts
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Tenryu
United States565 Posts
Civil rights and all that shit has nothing to do with fighting wars. Soldiers sacrifice their freedom's and civil liberties so that citizens of the country will not have to. Im sure some people in the US Army has heard something similar to that. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10866 Posts
On November 13 2009 20:49 Tenryu wrote: Soldiers sacrifice their freedom's and civil liberties so that citizens of the country will not have to. Im sure some people in the US Army has heard something similar to that. Lawl... When do you start fighting countries that actually attack you, or have the technology to attack you? | ||
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PobTheCad
Australia893 Posts
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iloveHieu
United States1919 Posts
On November 13 2009 19:42 KwarK wrote: People aren't built at all. Men were not purposefully designed by a creator for an aptitude at modern combat, if they were, they'd look like tanks. There is nothing natural about a modern firefight. Evolution has no purpose, no mind, it is simply a process. Men are just bundles of flesh, muscle, bones and sexual organs designed to sustain their DNA and pass it on to someone else. So are women. Don't give me bullshit about nature. You have no science backing up your fundamentally sexist assumptions. As micronesia pointed out to your earlier sexist comment you can simply go. It seems you like this little word replacement game lol. Well men are definitely a lot more capable. Nature isn't bullshit but whatever, argueing about this is pointless. It doesn't do any good and nothing will change. I can't convince you and vice versa, you have your opinion and I have mine. | ||
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LostWraithSC
United States111 Posts
However from a more personal point of view, it'll be especially hard for men to see women being cut to pieces in an intense war. Insurgent fighting is very asymmetrical and comparably "easier" than more conventional wars. In more difficult battles the extra psychological burden wouldn't be helpful. Just imagine the beach scene of saving private ryan, and instead of a guy lying on the beach crying for mama with his intestines hanging out, it's a woman lying of the beach crying for daddy with a breast shot off and lungs on her belly. Or when the ramp falls, a boat full of women get shredded into pieces in fifteen seconds. As a man, I would find this even more horrifying than the actual movie, which was already very bloody. | ||
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KwarK
United States43753 Posts
On November 14 2009 02:12 iloveHieu wrote: Well men are definitely a lot more more capable. Than all women? Or just most? If you take the 100 most capable people for front line service, you'll probably get 100 men. But the 1st most capable woman is gonna be more capable than the 100,000th most capable man. It's a numbers game, as the size of the army increases the quality of soldiers you let in decreases. Eventually you're gonna get freakishly capable women being better than the averagely capable men you're trying to recruit. | ||
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micronesia
United States24761 Posts
On November 14 2009 02:19 KwarK wrote: Than all women? Or just most? If you take the 100 most capable people for front line service, you'll probably get 100 men. But the 1st most capable woman is gonna be more capable than the 100,000th most capable man. It's a numbers game, as the size of the army increases the quality of soldiers you let in decreases. Eventually you're gonna get freakishly capable women being better than the averagely capable men you're trying to recruit. I'm wondering if maybe he meant that statement generally rather than specifically for combat. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On November 13 2009 19:42 KwarK wrote: People aren't built at all. Men were not purposefully designed by a creator for an aptitude at modern combat, if they were, they'd look like tanks. There is nothing natural about a modern firefight. Evolution has no purpose, no mind, it is simply a process. Men are just bundles of flesh, muscle, bones and sexual organs designed to sustain their DNA and pass it on to someone else. So are women. Humans have genetic tendencies. Male genetics lend themselves to the battlefield much more than women do. It's stupid to completely disregard genetic tendencies. I'm not saying that you should disallow women from serving just because of this, but, like I said, it's stupid to say that there aren't any genetic tendencies in humans when it's obvious that there are. Emotional damage? Eh, sounds like the same reason ppl say gays shouldn't be in the army. Men get just as emotionally attached to other men that are friends, which is why they say you shouldn't get that close to whoever you are fighting alongside with. This is just straight up not true. Humans are animals, and like the vast majority of animals, we have a genetic instinct to fight for and protect the opposite sex because not only is the emotional attachment to them stronger than your average emotional attachment to a fellow male (especially if a relationship starts between two soldiers, another situation you'd definitely want to avoid), but we have a genetic desire to protect females because they're more valuable to the continuance of the human race. | ||
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