EPTAnyone else find typing "abbreviations" annyoing
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On A SidE nOtE i dONT likE PPl WhO tALk LikE thIS !!!! | ||
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DevAzTaYtA
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you need to get out more -.- | ||
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On January 15 2004 05:06 BroOd wrote: I was looking through some topics, and it's ridiculous how sloppy internet typing, or spelling rather, has become. I don't know why "u r" or "ur" has become an acceptable substitute for "you are". It's one thing to make a spelling mistake, or a typo here and there; No one's perfect. But lazy "abbreviations" like "sum", "wut", "nuttin", "2", "ppl", are completely worthless. It's only a few extra seconds, and it adds, if nothing else, atleast a small shred of credibility to usually infantile posts usually negated by the moronic spellings. Is anyone else as annoyed by this as I am? No U R ANNOYING !!! its allright as long as u understand them.  | ||
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On January 15 2004 05:14 DevAzTaYtA wrote: lolz BroOd you need to get out more -.- That's fantastic logic there, wonderboy. | ||
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On January 15 2004 05:11 Mr.Royle wrote: i guess the essential is the comunication so u may find it ridiculous but since its understandable i guess its fine . On A SidE nOtE i dONT likE PPl WhO tALk LikE thIS !!!! AhAhhHAH , mE To0 :D | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
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They're, Their, There: A Lesson In Grade 2 English ------- "They're" is a contraction, combining two words, "They" and "Are". Proper: They're going to the store. IMPROPER: They're car is a rusty pile of shit. "Their" is possessive. It refers to a group of people owning something. Proper: Their car is a rusty pile of shit. IMPROPER: Their going to the store. "There" refers to location. Proper: The rusty pile of shit is over there. IMPROPER: There going to the store. ------- You're and Your: A Lesson In Not Being Fucking Retarded. ------- "You're" is another contraction, combining the words "You" and "are". It's accusative. Proper: You're an idiot. IMPROPER: Your an idiot. "Your" is possessive, it refers to ownership by an individual. Proper: Your car is a rusty pile of shit. IMPROPER: Your an idiot. -------- And it's spelled "DEFINITELY", not "DEFINATELY"  Hope this helps everyone who doesn't understand elementary-level english! | ||
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Speaking of lessons! This one is my favorite It's is not, it isn't ain't, and it's it's, not its, if you mean it is. If you don't, it's its. Then too, it's hers. It isn't her's. It isn't our's either. It's ours, and likewise yours and theirs. -- Oxford University Press, Edpress News Also one of my favs: http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-10-11&res=l | ||
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On January 15 2004 05:23 FakeSteve)307 wrote: FakeSteve's Spelling And Grammar Lesson They're, Their, There: A Lesson In Grade 2 English ------- "They're" is a contraction, combining two words, "They" and "Are". Proper: They're going to the store. IMPROPER: They're car is a rusty pile of shit. "Their" is possessive. It refers to a group of people owning something. Proper: Their car is a rusty pile of shit. IMPROPER: Their going to the store. "There" refers to location. Proper: The rusty pile of shit is over there. IMPROPER: There going to the store. ------- You're and Your: A Lesson In Not Being Fucking Retarded. ------- "You're" is another contraction, combining the words "You" and "are". It's accusative. Proper: You're an idiot. IMPROPER: Your an idiot. "Your" is possessive, it refers to ownership by an individual. Proper: Your car is a rusty pile of shit. IMPROPER: Your an idiot. -------- And it's spelled "DEFINITELY", not "DEFINATELY" Hope this helps everyone who doesn't understand elementary-level english! You're lesson should be you're quote. It will look good their. Anyhow seriously, those common mistakes are so annoying to read its like looking at someone with alot of hair infront of their forehead and you just feel so uncomfortable looking at it that you just want to move it. | ||
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BroOd
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On January 15 2004 05:58 SW)RIF wrote: Do you flip out when people say can't? Because thats an abbreviation on the same level. Nothing is wrong with saying can not. I don't have a problem with internet abbreviating. It is when people try to make ebonics a full language that i get annoyed. "Can't" is a contraction. "U R" is not a contraction. | ||
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Tricky
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On January 15 2004 06:09 BroOd wrote: "Can't" is a contraction. "U R" is not a contraction. i am obssessed, can someone with english as native language expalin? | ||
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On January 15 2004 06:09 BroOd wrote: "Can't" is a contraction. "U R" is not a contraction. That is anything but the right answer. Just because a language based creation like a 'contraction' exists. Does not explain why you are intolerant to another 'form' of abbreviating. The truth is sir, you have a pet peeve that is hypocritcal in the english language. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
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There are solid rules to the English language, as well as bendable ones. One of the solid rules is that "U R" is NOT proper english. It's used out of laziness, because the letters "U" and "R" sound like "You" and "Are". This is SLANG. Slang is NOT proper english. Please get your info straight before argueing | ||
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RuGbUg
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I try to let girls a bit more slack on this though. btw: can't is an english contraction following the rules of contractions "U R" is neither an abbreviation (you starts with a Y and are with A) nor a contraction without the apostrophe and being two separate characters as well. I am intolerent to this stupid form of abbreviating because it is not part of the english language. If you want to speak a bit of "english", speak it. If you want to speak "stupid", go kill yourself. | ||
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Tricky
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On January 15 2004 06:27 RuGbUg wrote: i find stupid ass abbreviations stupid as hell. It makes them sound like a 10 year old, and I ESPECIALLY hate it when they think they sound cooler because of that. I try to let girls a bit more slack on this though. btw: can't is an english contraction following the rules of contractions "U R" is neither an abbreviation (you starts with a Y and are with A) nor a contraction without the apostrophe and being two separate characters as well. I am intolerent to this stupid form of abbreviating because it is not part of the english language. If you want to speak a bit of "english", speak it. If you want to speak "stupid", go kill yourself. lol calm down mate! U R is a habbit | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
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This is a topic about speaking proper english. Quit argueing, you're not winning | ||
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On January 15 2004 06:27 RuGbUg wrote: i find stupid ass abbreviations stupid as hell. It makes them sound like a 10 year old, and I ESPECIALLY hate it when they think they sound cooler because of that. I try to let girls a bit more slack on this though. btw: can't is an english contraction following the rules of contractions "U R" is neither an abbreviation (you starts with a Y and are with A) nor a contraction without the apostrophe and being two separate characters as well. I am intolerent to this stupid form of abbreviating because it is not part of the english language. If you want to speak a bit of "english", speak it. If you want to speak "stupid", go kill yourself. i agree... does that help you. U R isnt proper english. This topic was about lazy writing, not superior english usage. So far though, one thing was proven to me, you guys are overly angered by internet slangs. Which by the way, is common language... and no where nearly as awful as you make it out to be. Further more, i bet everyone that has spoken out about hating online slangs has used LOL. If you say you havent ill be forced to believe you a liar. | ||
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SoMuchBetter
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arguing* -List of words SoMuchBetter hates- Dis (This) U or Yu (You) R (Are) Rite (Write or Right) Mangz (Man) Fuk or Fk (Fuck - if youre going to swear you might as well say the entire word) Kentz (Cunt - some retard once called me a kentz...) Fink (Think) Dere (There) Lyk (Like) Lub or Luv (Love) Typ (Type) Anything that has the 's' replaced with a 'z' Kewl (Cool) Dat (That) Juz (Just) Dem (Them) Den (Then) Okai (Okay) AZN (Asian.. i hate this term the most) btw aNyOnE ThAt TyPz LyKe DiS iS a MoROn | ||
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i bet there were many words n phrase r forced into dictionary, hmmm like hmmmm hmmmmmm??? hmmmmmmmmm er.. i dont noe lolz :D | ||
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On January 15 2004 06:39 SoMuchBetter wrote: -SoMuchBetter's English Lesson- arguing* I find it annoying when people use 'their' for there and they're then and than errors also piss me off... btw aNyOnE ThAt TyPz LyKe DiS iS a MoROn Are your refering yourslef mate? | ||
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SW)RIF
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SoMuchBetter - he just used "btw" yet another form of online abbreviation. You maiing an argument against yourselves... you all use these online abbreviations. And you getting pissed off at me for comparing a contraction (which in my opinion is mainly used out of a LEARNED for of laziness), with a online abbreviation which i clearly stated i know is improper. I seriously think you guys need to flame elsewhere. | ||
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BroOd
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FakeSteve[TPR]
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Bugger off. | ||
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DV8
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On January 15 2004 06:44 SW)RIF wrote: DV8 <- an example of these online abbreviations (a person also supporting the subject as mistyping as annoying) SoMuchBetter - he just used "btw" yet another form of online abbreviation. You maiing an argument against yourselves... you all use these online abbreviations. And you getting pissed off at me for comparing a contraction (which in my opinion is mainly used out of a LEARNED for of laziness), with a online abbreviation which i clearly stated i know is improper. I seriously think you guys need to flame elsewhere. Cmon now go look at my post, I found using there as a possive instead of their annoying not UR or LOlZ! You really should put more thought into your post before you make yourself look like an ass. | ||
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SW)RIF
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On January 15 2004 06:44 BroOd wrote: The fact that the language is always changing is no excuse for people using whatever spellings they deem fit. I agree brood, im actually not as far off from your belief, but i am a tolerant person so to respond to your original post i said it doesnt bug me. As for you FakeSteve you are looking for a reason to stay pissed at me, when i proved my point on the online abbreviations a couple posts ago. You use online abbreviations everyday i am sure. The real moron is the one not willing to admit it, and telling me to go away when i am right. Don't bother posting again FakeSteve unless you are ready to admit to the very thing you said was annoying. READ THIS: I AGREE WITH YOU GUYS. har har, it is improper english to use things like "u r", infact if you havent noticed i use them very sparingly as it is. Probably less than the people who say it's annoying. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
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You say you agree with us, that's all well and good. You could have just said that, instead of looking for errors in our posts to argue about. Nitpicking serves no purpose other than to instigate arguements. Like I said, Bugger off. | ||
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On January 15 2004 06:55 SW)RIF wrote: haha so sorry DV8 and SoMuchBetter.. i should have clarified your examples were just to show that everyone uses them. They werent actually suppose to prove either of your opinions wrong. Its only FakeSteve and BroOd that persist to disagree with me. That tends to happen when you're wrong. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
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I'm not going to argue with you any further. You're going on about nothings in an effort to prove yourself a big boy, but you'd be clobbered by an eggplant in a battle of wits. | ||
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On January 15 2004 06:58 GoDHovZ wrote: whats annoying is u little nerd pointdexter fucks who add a stupid face avfter everything u say. HAHA, Testie, owned! | ||
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(ps i'm not going to define stupid ones for anyone) (pps rif made a good apology, and brood/fakesteve both were too big to accept it) | ||
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On January 15 2004 05:06 BroOd wrote: I was looking through some topics, and it's ridiculous how sloppy internet typing, or spelling rather, has become. I don't know why "u r" or "ur" has become an acceptable substitute for "you are". It's one thing to make a spelling mistake, or a typo here and there; No one's perfect. But lazy "abbreviations" like "sum", "wut", "nuttin", "2", "ppl", are completely worthless. It's only a few extra seconds, and it adds, if nothing else, atleast a small shred of credibility to usually infantile posts usually negated by the moronic spellings. Is anyone else as annoyed by this as I am? if this really annoys you, then you have some serious issues that you need worked out. | ||
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z7-TranCe
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i don't mind if people don't talk completely formal,but when people talk like 12 year olds it does annoy me a bit.. -.-v --; ^^ | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
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As for RIF's apology, he didn't make one. He just nitpicked | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
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His "Apology" calls me stubborn and intent on being angry with him. I'm not that petty, and I don't appreciate anyone saying so. As for the "FakeSteve was too big to accept his apology" comment: There was no apology. If RIF had admitted he was just nitpicking, and ceased, I would have accepted with manner and backed off. Rugbug, don't be so quick to jump to conclusions about me. | ||
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SW)RIF
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But i would like to point out, i never once called you a moron or stupid idiot (which i felt compelled to do but avoided)... the argument was soley your perogative. A DEBATE was started when i thought using a contraction was hypocritical (which was an opinion, and i was flamed for defending it). Later i added, you both use the same abbreviations that we all do. On that matter i know you guys started brewing in your seats for getting shut down. You both avoided being truthful, and you even thought the "hahahaha" comment really dodged the truth. Anyone that commonly uses AIM/Bnet/MSN on this forum uses these online abbreviations fairly often without a doubt, hence making you a hypocrite on some level. And like Trance said, overuse and childlike use, is annoying. But i rarely encounter it, and if i do, i avoid the conversation completely. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
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Calling me stubborn was what set me off, as well as the constant labelling me as a hypocrite. My arguement was not flawed However, I'm glad to see you're a reasonable fellow, and I hope future debates will go a little smoother | ||
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SW)RIF
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This is directed at no particular person, but howcome the word hypocrite is taken so offensively? I would take offense to it too if i think about it, and the real meaning shouldnt be all that bad. It just points out what we all do. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
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On January 15 2004 08:04 SW)RIF wrote: hehe yea my apology was to SoMuchBetter and DV8, thanks for trying though Rugbug, and i did knitpick... how about i say im sorry FakeSteve, if 'knitpicking' just happened to be your pet peeve. Even though all statements get knitpicked on the web. But i would like to point out, i never once called you a moron or stupid idiot (which i felt compelled to do but avoided)... the argument was soley your perogative. A DEBATE was started when i thought using a contraction was hypocritical (which was an opinion, and i was flamed for defending it). Later i added, you both use the same abbreviations that we all do. On that matter i know you guys started brewing in your seats for getting shut down. You both avoided being truthful, and you even thought the "hahahaha" comment really dodged the truth. Anyone that commonly uses AIM/Bnet/MSN on this forum uses these online abbreviations fairly often without a doubt, hence making you a hypocrite on some level. And like Trance said, overuse and childlike use, is annoying. But i rarely encounter it, and if i do, i avoid the conversation completely. I'd like to point out exactly what made me angry, using this post. First, the comment "all threads get nitpicked on the web". That has nothing to do with anything. It's really just an excuse for nitpicking. "It happens everywhere so I can do it here". Second, the part where you say you didn't call me an idiot, but wanted to. That is EXACTLY the same thing as saying "I didn't call you an idiot, but you are." Third, You called me untruthful. You have no grounds to say anything like this, and it's insulting. Last, saying something vague like "Makes you a hypocrite on some level" deteriorates the validity of your own arguement. These little innuendos in your "Well-meaning" posts do not go unnoticed. I'm not sure if you mean to to this or not, but it will anger most everyone who notices. By the way, please note that this is NOT a flame, as Im' almost completely sure you don't mean anything by these comments. I'm just pointing out exactly what made me angry so you wouldn't wonder about it | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
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I just found it rather insulting that you think I would do exactly what I felt fairly strongly against | ||
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SW)RIF
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As for calling you untruthful.. that was my attack at you. I would be hardpressed to find one web regular that doesnt use online abbreviations. And you specifically said i use "hahahaha" which was a dodge around the truth. Then you admitted to saying you did use LOL rarely.. and thats all i ever needed or wanted to know (because it doesnt stop at lol, you have probably used btw, brb, wtf, stfu..). It wasnt meant to be insulting at that point, cause i do it to... I really thought this was at an end. EDIT: omg haha so sorry again, you apologized while i was writing this. | ||
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Tricky
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look! the abbr "LOL" is a abbreviation from proper english which u can find it on www.dictionary.com but for things like rofl, lmfao = no thx, they r just the quick way of typing and its been using for like ages so every1 noes it. | ||
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SW)RIF
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Let me ask it again. Have you BroOd <--- ever used an online abbreviation without thinking its annoying while you used it? If you dont respond to this i hope you get banned form the forum because you cant properly argue or debate. If your asked a question you are suppose to answer it. Also.. i use my abbreviation in my listed places like AIM/MSN/Bnet. The forum tends to be more refined writing. So that suggestion by you, was anything but valid. | ||
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SW)RIF
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Its nothing major, but enough to prove my point. If you dont feel like reading: BroOd: "Don't click that, btw." Dude! what the fuck is wrong with you?! you used an abbreviation, why dont you just type it out, it only takes a few more seconds. Point made, BroOd shut down. Now he is brewing in his seat. | ||
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BroOd
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SW)RIF shut down. | ||
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SW)RIF
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BroOd: "It's only a few extra seconds, and it adds, if nothing else, atleast a small shred of credibility to usually infantile posts usually negated by the moronic spellings." If anything i'll admit that your abbreviated examples do not coincide with (btw, lol, brb, wtf etc.), but the same laziness with someone that types ppl instead of people, is not any difernet than you being too lazy to type by the way. So all in all your point is still invalid. And you sir, are a moron. FakeSteve was a man atleast. | ||
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BroOd
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Read that. Then try searching for "ppl", "u r", "wuz", etc. You really need to stop posting. If you can't grasp what I'm trying to explain to you, atleast understand you're an idiot. | ||
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SW)RIF
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Me: "If anything i'll admit that your abbreviated examples do not coincide with (btw, lol, brb, wtf etc." I do understand your point and have said on several posts that i agree with you. It is still blatatnly obvious that you avoid admitting that you use these online abbreviated words/sentences. I would love for you to say outright you have NEVER used any of mispelled abbreviations. For a completely and retracting point, lets say i give in and you are totally right, and you have never ever used the abbreviations. You still have an unhealthy issue with a very very NORMAL thing. We are talking millions of people use these abbreviations and think nothing of it. Majority if remember right, makes up a culture. | ||
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BroOd
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I don't see how this is "unhealthy", so maybe you could fill me in on that. "Majority if remember right, makes up a culture." Not exactly sure what you were attempting to say here, but if you're attempting to prove something valid simply because of it's widespread use, I guess slavery was fine too. | ||
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BroOd
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On January 15 2004 09:16 GoDHovZ wrote: brood, stfu u r a fukin idiot. Great input there, HovZ. Keep dazzling us with your invaluable insights. | ||
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On January 15 2004 09:07 Klogon wrote: Seriously, I never thought this thread would grow more than 3 pages. Amazing how flames can make threads grow so big. So for better or for worse, without flames, you wouldn't have tl.net the way it is today :/ I wouldn't necessarily call those flames. The first 1/3rd was a stupid ass argument, the second 1/3rd was the cheesiest appologies/home-erotic behavior I have ever seen in a forum, and the 1/3rd half was the inevitable conclusion when two juveniles try to make up even though they both still think they are right. Rif, Steve, and Brood -- you can cut the sexual tension in here with a knife, please get a room. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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On January 15 2004 05:58 SW)RIF wrote: Do you flip out when people say can't? Because thats an abbreviation on the same level. Nothing is wrong with saying can not. I don't have a problem with internet abbreviating. It is when people try to make ebonics a full language that i get annoyed. I nominate this for dumbest post ever. First off it's "cannot," not "can not." Secondly, "can't" is not ebonics it's what most people consider English. | ||
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On January 15 2004 20:43 User_ wrote: Well, people are lazy, lazy people tend to accomplish their goal in the shortest amount of time. Therefore, spelling u instead of you would be the optimal choice. Plus, saving those "few" seconds, especially in the middle of a game (considering this is on an sc site) couldn't hurt, now could it? Once you become accustomed to typing "wtf u noob" every game, you'll start typing it more outside the game. And therefore, i just argued about a worthless topic T_T. In game when time is of the essence, it's one thing to short type. When you're on a forum, you probably are not going anywhere for awhile, so it's not that big of a deal to type "you," instead of short typing it. | ||
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In game when time is of the essence, it's one thing to short type. When you're on a forum, you probably are not going anywhere for awhile, so it's not that big of a deal to type "you," instead of short typing it. Your point being that somehow the activity changes the laziness of the person? And its not that big of a deal to read "u" either, its not exactly torture. | ||
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Element)LoGiC
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If you want to speak "stupid", go kill yourself. LMAO | ||
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On January 15 2004 15:48 SickofLife322000 wrote: I nominate this for dumbest post ever. First off it's "cannot," not "can not." Secondly, "can't" is not ebonics it's what most people consider English. Did you read my post? or do you always misread posts? Funny, i thought BroOd was an ignorant ass, but now he's flowers compared to you. You might first try reading a post before responding like a second grader. If you hadnt noticed, i was a proponant of "nothing is wrong with abbreviations". So why then would i compare [can't] to ebonics, when obviously i did not. | ||
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x[ReaPeR]x
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On a forum it pisses me off because it's not too hard to type correctly (I do it all the time here), but as long as I can understand the post I don't bitch about abbreviations and what not. Overuse of "lol" pisses me off. | ||
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On January 15 2004 05:07 SillyCat wrote: no. | ||
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