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*Note this post contains a horrible translation of an already horribly written article.
I found a small article on metro today about a game addict who went bonkers and tried to murder a girl when he couldn't get his Internet connection to work. Oh and his favorite game was Starcraft.
Imo the article is just another one in the ever ongoing discussion about “Games are evil”.
Yes games (and computers in general) can make you behave violently when things aren't working but unless you are already mad they are quite harmless.
I know the question has been raised before on the forum but still what are your thoughts?
Translated article:
+ Show Spoiler +Computer game malfunctioned
-Made boy want to kill
The computer game addicted 18 year old suddenly couldn't get his Internet connection to work.
Dark thoughts grew about how it would feel to murder someone which made him grab a kitchen knife and go out in the residential area late on a Saturday night.
Seconds later he had tried to murder a complete stranger, a bypassing 15 year old girl.
The 18 year old is now convicted by Nacka district court of attempted homocide and sent to psychiatric care.
One of this years many unusual acts of violence with teenagers took place the night of 9 august this summer.
The 18-year-old felt unwell and his thoughts became even darker when his internet connection malfunctioned and he could not continue to play the war game "Starcraft".
That a 15 year old girl on her way back home from a party would be his victim was never planned. She just happened to be nearby laughing loudly with a friend.
Despite multiple stabs the girl managed to survive without any life threatening wounds. The crime was notified the next day by the 18 year olds dad who found a bent bloodstained knife in the home.
Prosecutor Jennie Soderberg had been indicted for attempted murder.
The district court however chose to classify the knife attack as attempted manslaughter because of his mental health condition, and that no intent to kill the 15-year-old girl existed.
Source(in swedish):
http://www.metro.se/2009/10/08/79624/dataspelet-kranglade-da-ville-pojken-/
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he must play terran
i can totally see it.
get dt dropped --> internet goes down at the start of the regame --> rage mode.
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Yeah interesting, um but I'm not buying the part that unless you're already mad computer games are harmless. That's some bullshit
lol I've gotten so ridiculously frustrated playing TvP some times. Also I felt awesome before I started playing, and after 0-5 I smash my keyboard and curse the world
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computer games are harmless, yes. But crazy idiot + computer games is not D:
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
The crime was notified the next day by the 18 year olds dad who found a bent bloodstained knife in the home.
Fail.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
wow what an asshoole stabbing an innocent 15 yrold girl 
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any tl members want to step forward? I know plenty of sc players here in stockholm maybe I know that guy :0
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Isn't there more to life than just Starcraft? 
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That guy obviously sick in the head I hope the girl can recover from this. Also the story does not make sense and the article was so poorly written I raged a little inside.
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Any fool with issues + anything is dangerous. Not Starcraft, not games, just about anything. I hate how the media treats this kind of news.
I remember like 10 years ago there was a murder and the murderer liked to play LOTR role games. News media came to the conclusion that LOTR + RPG = danger. Then everybody thought all epic fantasy related stuff was some sort of satanic evil cult.
Few years the LOTR movies came out. Everybody jumps in the LOTR wagon. LOTR fanbase has grown from a geeky niche to practically everyone in the young population segment. So this makes all young people dangerous?
Now every idiot with no media filters will think SC makes people go out and stab teenagers.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
phew i thought artosis committed suicide or something after losing 0-3 to my toss today
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lol rekrul
any dts involved?
I think it's funny how metro wants to spin this story to be about a specific computer game in order to find a scapegoat. I don't think anyone in their right mind thinks that Starcraft is bad for you in this way
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Haha, I went to teamliquid to translate and post news about it today, but it seems like you beat me to it.
I'm wondering however, if he was involved with the community somehow. I guess it's hard to find out who he is, but there isn't that many swedish starcraft players. 18 year old in Nacka... hmm.
I was irritated by the use of 'war game' (krigsspel) to describe Starcraft. It's not a very accurate description of the game.
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i want a fpstream of this guy
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On October 08 2009 20:29 meegrean wrote:Isn't there more to life than just Starcraft?
no
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Lol this makes the SC community look great..probably got like DT rushed and rage mode into ninja mode.
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
i see no reason for the name of the game to be included in the article, it's purely to squeeze in as much blame without being direct. do you think they would have posted this?
The 18-year-old felt unwell and his thoughts became even darker when his internet connection malfunctioned and he could not continue to play the interactive animal locomotive game "Barbie's Mystery Adventure Horse Ride".
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Poor girl, she got DT rushed irl
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On October 08 2009 21:31 Shauni wrote:
Haha, I went to teamliquid to translate and post news about it today, but it seems like you beat me to it.
I'm wondering however, if he was involved with the community somehow. I guess it's hard to find out who he is, but there isn't that many swedish starcraft players. 18 year old in Nacka... hmm.
I was irritated by the use of 'war game' (krigsspel) to describe Starcraft. It's not a very accurate description of the game.
The use of "war game" is 100% to make it sound more dangerous than it is. Really bad journalism there.
If they want to blame anything besides the poor menthal health of the guy or whatever reason he had not recieved any help, they should blame his ISP.
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i live in stockholm. close to nacka.. yay!
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I hope it wasn't anyone from our community
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what a psycho
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Well lets hope it was not some TL.net member that went crazy. Still that article is silly anyway. Did the kid tell someone he went out looking to kill a person because his Internet was out? How does that conversation go?
"So why you do it?"
"Well my Internet was out so I said to my self I'm gonna have to kill a bitch!"
Yeah I doubt his actions have anything to do with starcraft or his Internet being out. Sounds like some writer has a agenda.
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HAHA one of the comments on the news:
"TvP...
1a2a3a (2009-10- 8 13:37)"
EPIC COMMENT! who wrote it?
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Recently I've had to use dial-up internet, and sometimes it fucks up and drives me crazy with massive lag spikes that cause me to lag out of the game. Hopefully this won't turn me into a murderer as well, lol.
On October 08 2009 22:09 intrigue wrote:i see no reason for the name of the game to be included in the article, it's purely to squeeze in as much blame without being direct. do you think they would have posted this? Show nested quote +The 18-year-old felt unwell and his thoughts became even darker when his internet connection malfunctioned and he could not continue to play the interactive animal locomotive game "Barbie's Mystery Adventure Horse Ride".
It bugged me that they called it a "war game", as opposed to a strategy game.
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Don't tell me Starcraft isn't a bad influence. 3 years ago I was driving my friend around, and he suddenly started making Zerg noises and scratching me with his index and middle finger. I almost drove off the road.
+ Show Spoiler +I retaliated later by stabbing him with my hands while going tsst tsst.
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Snet
United States3573 Posts
Idk, I can relate. I've had some pretty horrible rages from starcraft.
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It is a war game, and the name of the game also matters. It became an addiction for the idiot. Surely if he had been intoxicated it would be relevant to a jury whether that means he was on heroin, mj, alcohol or just a bunch of red bulls.
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IT MUST HAVE BEEN STYLISH LOL
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Just 1 thing, starcraft is THAT good that you wanna kill if you can't play lolol!
On a serious note I hope the girl recovers and the asshole becomes just a liiiiiiittle sane.
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On October 08 2009 19:48 SnowFantasy wrote:
he must play terran
i can totally see it.
get dt dropped --> internet goes down at the start of the regame --> rage mode.
LOL true.
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On October 08 2009 19:48 SnowFantasy wrote:
he must play terran
i can totally see it.
get dt dropped --> internet goes down at the start of the regame --> rage mode.
rofl and then he writes a will before he dies saying how much of a burden it was in his life to play this race, 1i(mines)2o(siege) ftw!
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On October 08 2009 23:50 AzureEye wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2009 19:48 SnowFantasy wrote:
he must play terran
i can totally see it.
get dt dropped --> internet goes down at the start of the regame --> rage mode. rofl and then he writes a will before he dies saying how much of a burden it was in his life to play this race, 1i(mines)2o(siege) ftw!
I'm pretty sure you'd plant like 1 mine if you tried doing that lolol
1a click
2a click
3a click
4t click
5t click
6t click
XD
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makes me remember of the nazi brainwashed sc movie maker that was sent to jail for trying to kill a guy or whatever :S poor innocents :/
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United States12238 Posts
On October 08 2009 23:45 Cloud wrote:
It is a war game, and the name of the game also matters. It became an addiction for the idiot. Surely if he had been intoxicated it would be relevant to a jury whether that means he was on heroin, mj, alcohol or just a bunch of red bulls.
Eh... I guess. "War game" invokes images of Call of Duty or Medal of Honor or a game like that. Not really so much Starcraft.
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On October 08 2009 22:09 intrigue wrote:i see no reason for the name of the game to be included in the article, it's purely to squeeze in as much blame without being direct. do you think they would have posted this? Show nested quote +The 18-year-old felt unwell and his thoughts became even darker when his internet connection malfunctioned and he could not continue to play the interactive animal locomotive game "Barbie's Mystery Adventure Horse Ride".
I don't see any reason either for them to call out the game he was playing
Obviously the kid has problems if he felt the need to stab someone cuz he couldnt play..
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not really worth joking about imo , the guy tried to kill someone
i hope he finds mental help , staying away from the game for a few months and cracking his cd will cure his addiction - if he doesnt end up rotting in jail for 5 years that is
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Intergalactic domination is not the same as a "war game."
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I'll c/p my post which expresses my thoughts on this case:
About this case - it's quite stupid. I guess it was simply some crazy guy who wanted to kill someone and that's all. Then press discovered that he liked to play games (or he used games argument as excuse) and now it will be "obvious" that he killed because of game, lol...
You can as well explain that he wanted to kill someone for quite some time but didn't do it because he was playing his whole life. When finally his internet connection went dead he had nothing left to do and recalled that he wanted to kill someone but went to play SC instead. So when he had no alternative in SC he went to kill someone. Of course his victim was random, because he had no plan at all - because he chose playing SC over killing/planning to kill someone
In other words - bullshit ^ 2. This guy wanted to kill someone and used computer games as cheap excuse
And yeah, calling SC "war game"... You could call it "survival game" as well in that case - since Terrans and Protoss try to survive Zerg's invasion. Plus in multi it's all about winning - aka not losing, surviving.
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On October 09 2009 00:28 PobTheCad wrote:
not really worth joking about imo , the guy tried to kill someone
i hope he finds mental help , staying away from the game for a few months and cracking his cd will cure his addiction - if he doesnt end up rotting in jail for 5 years that is
Meh they mention sc and even people on tl.net start speculating about sc being a cause for his actions, which of course is exactly what they're after. He was mentally ill, now i dont give a fuck what triggered this whether it was nerdrage or something else.
You know about those high thresholds below doors that some people have all around their houses? So that every now and then when you walk around you kick it and your toe hurts like a bitch? my friend has those ALL over and i always hurt my toe when im at his house. That gets me so PISSED, like 1000x more pissed than getting 4 pooled 10 times in a row on icc. Fucking architects with all their training couldn't predict this could be a pretty huge problem for the people living in the appartments? if i ever kill someone ima blame those fuckers
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it's true, whenever my internet goes down I always wonder what it'd be like to MURDER
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I love these kinds of articles.
They're so stupid, they're like counter-arguments against themselves.
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its been a while since i read a "crazy person stabs someone" article.
those crazies...
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On October 08 2009 21:04 Rekrul wrote:
phew i thought artosis committed suicide or something after losing 0-3 to my toss today
VOD`s/Replays or it didn`t happen.
On a serious note, I am very glad to hear the girl managed to survive. I feel sorry that she was attacked simply beacuse she just happened to go by.
I hope they do something about the attacker. He clearly is not sane if he just randomly attacked someone. The news article is retarded, though, at least the bit that was translated. Reminds me of this.
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On October 09 2009 00:39 Kaniol wrote:
And yeah, calling SC "war game"... You could call it "survival game" as well in that case - since Terrans and Protoss try to survive Zerg's invasion.
Well said haha.
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Why did they have to put a picture of starcraft in the article? So stupid. It's obvious that the guy has serious mental health issues and it had nothing to do with Starcraft, but yeah it's metro so you can't really expect anything better than this...
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Actually I've gotten really fucking upset when I've played sometimes too. I think it happens mainly if you play terran because you invest so much into the game and all this microing all over the place, and you die because of something silly PvT. Or the games when you are all over the place with 300 apm and suddenly there's a huge recall in your base and you begin to move back only to get flanked and owned by stasis and protoss units + storm GRRRR
oh and the protoss user sits comfortably with 100 apm playing a war-simulation game, while you are playing a hectic real-time strategy game
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the war game "Starcraft".
that description of SC is just sooooooooooooooooo inadequate. i dont even know where to begin.
despite the fact that the media is always doing this to games, i still get my panties in a bunch every time i come across it.
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he might come out of jail just about when SC2 is released.
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On October 09 2009 02:32 Railxp wrote:that description of SC is just sooooooooooooooooo inadequate. i dont even know where to begin. despite the fact that the media is always doing this to games, i still get my panties in a bunch every time i come across it.
I think it is misleading (war game could be anything from Call of Duty to Risk), but if you look at it from a different perspective, it is perfect. StarCraft encompasses all the aspects of war - economy, production, strategy, tactics... StarCraft IS war.
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On October 09 2009 02:30 Foucault wrote:
Actually I've gotten really fucking upset when I've played sometimes too. I think it happens mainly if you play terran because you invest so much into the game and all this microing all over the place, and you die because of something silly PvT. Or the games when you are all over the place with 300 apm and suddenly there's a huge recall in your base and you begin to move back only to get flanked and owned by stasis and protoss units + storm GRRRR
oh and the protoss user sits comfortably with 100 apm playing a war-simulation game, while you are playing a hectic real-time strategy game
Hater.
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Starcraft is a war game, as is CoD and numerous other FPS's. It is an argument over subject matter and style of play. The subject is an intergalactic conflict, aka War. Just because it is also a strategy game does not make it any less a war game.
On topic, I wish the girl a speedy recovery.
Also if any of you decide to kill someone, uninstall Starcraft first. Don't need to feed the media anymore videogame hate. 
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Chess is a war game, too. Though I never quite figured out in which time Queens actually were the strongest fighters.
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On October 09 2009 03:49 spinesheath wrote:
Chess is a war game, too. Though I never quite figured out in which time Queens actually were the strongest fighters.
Originally Queen was a vizier or strategy adviser. I guess they thought that he should have the longest reach. Don't know why they made the change really.
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On October 08 2009 19:44 Skjaerris wrote:
Computer game malfunctioned
-Made boy want to kill
The computer game addicted 18 year old (guy) suddenly couldn't get his Internet connection to work.
Dark thoughts grew
I couldn't help think of Stylish the first time he started experiencing computer difficulties.
(only the quoted part, I'd never think an awesome Terran-helper like Stylish would be that crazy)
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Hmmz this was on the 9th of august. Does anyone remember when those "you have lost connection with battle.net" bugg thingys started? Might be a connection. Kinda hard to fix your internet when it is a bug withing the game.
Also curious about his nickname, but probably someone unknown.
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Reading through the comments to the article it seems nobody is taking this serious and most posters call it bad journalism, so Metro news readers aren't completely brainwashed yet!
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On October 09 2009 04:00 ReDShiFT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2009 03:49 spinesheath wrote:
Chess is a war game, too. Though I never quite figured out in which time Queens actually were the strongest fighters. Originally Queen was a vizier or strategy adviser. I guess they thought that he should have the longest reach. Don't know why they made the change really.
iirc:
+ Show Spoiler +Queen - Vizier
King - Maharajah
Bishop - Elephant
Knight - Cavalry
Rook - Chariot
Pawn - Infantry
I'm not sure but I think it was renamed by the Brits when they colonized India where the game originated.
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Only TvZ makes me feel this way. Shit makes me seriously mad. At myself not at game imbalance.
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On October 09 2009 02:30 Foucault wrote:
Actually I've gotten really fucking upset when I've played sometimes too. I think it happens mainly if you play terran because you invest so much into the game and all this microing all over the place, and you die because of something silly PvT. Or the games when you are all over the place with 300 apm and suddenly there's a huge recall in your base and you begin to move back only to get flanked and owned by stasis and protoss units + storm GRRRR
oh and the protoss user sits comfortably with 100 apm playing a war-simulation game, while you are playing a hectic real-time strategy game
I'd suggest instead of spamming you use your apm as effectively as said protoss.
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If he played WoW he would have saved someone from a moose instead.
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this doesnt negate the moose incident at all. This kid has issues, or anger management problems from birth, which havent been resolved yet. Sc probably made it worse.
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On October 09 2009 03:16 HeaDStrong wrote:
he might come out of jail just about when SC2 is released.
Since this is Sweden and SC2 is coming 2010 you might be right.
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On October 09 2009 05:07 Triple7 wrote:
If he played WoW he would have saved someone from a moose instead.
OLD! OOOLD!
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On October 09 2009 05:36 Zoler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2009 05:07 Triple7 wrote:
If he played WoW he would have saved someone from a moose instead. OLD! OOOLD!
But still funny.
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
i bet the writer plays WoW
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Yes, starcraft causes people to kill. Did you also know that global warming is caused by lack of pirates?
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On October 08 2009 19:48 SnowFantasy wrote:
he must play terran
i can totally see it.
get dt dropped --> internet goes down at the start of the regame --> rage mode.
Rofl.
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Starcraft is a wargame just as much as chess is a wargame imo :/
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On October 08 2009 19:48 SnowFantasy wrote:
he must play terran
i can totally see it.
get dt dropped --> internet goes down at the start of the regame --> rage mode.
Lies, he totally thought he was dark templar and nobody could see him since there were no science vessels around.
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On October 09 2009 05:05 Rice wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2009 02:30 Foucault wrote:
Actually I've gotten really fucking upset when I've played sometimes too. I think it happens mainly if you play terran because you invest so much into the game and all this microing all over the place, and you die because of something silly PvT. Or the games when you are all over the place with 300 apm and suddenly there's a huge recall in your base and you begin to move back only to get flanked and owned by stasis and protoss units + storm GRRRR
oh and the protoss user sits comfortably with 100 apm playing a war-simulation game, while you are playing a hectic real-time strategy game I'd suggest instead of spamming you use your apm as effectively as said protoss.
You mean doing all the stuff terran needs to do?
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I love how we have a topic of a starcraft player going bonkers and right below it in general discussion we have a topic on a heroic WoW player.
What the hell is going on here lol.
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epic dt fails to kill a medic....
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This is retarded.
Just about anything that kid could ever do consistently in his life could be related.
Sane people do sane things, insane people will probably do insane things eventually. Seriously, I don't want shit like this making one of my hobbies look like a killer's game. Fuck that mang
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Russian Federation124 Posts
On October 08 2009 19:49 Foucault wrote:
Yeah interesting, um but I'm not buying the part that unless you're already mad computer games are harmless. That's some bullshit
lol I've gotten so ridiculously frustrated playing TvP some times. Also I felt awesome before I started playing, and after 0-5 I smash my keyboard and curse the world
Trust my friend your not the only one
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It's pretty retarded that the fact that he plays Starcraft was mentioned in the article. There are probably about a thousand more important factors to consider before that.
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He shoulda raped her
User was temp banned for this post.
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didn't some die playing sc before? like they didn't eat or sleep for a week and died of starvation or exhaustion lol remember that?
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On October 09 2009 08:50 Tonyy wrote:
He shoulda raped her
He must be D-
User was temp banned for this post.
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On October 09 2009 08:50 Tonyy wrote:
He shoulda raped her
User was warned for this post.
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He's no Starcraft player. Starcraft players get 'er done!
On a serious note, what a fucktard.
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Osaka27154 Posts
On October 09 2009 08:50 Tonyy wrote:
He shoulda raped her
On October 09 2009 10:01 Dasher wrote:He must be D-
On October 09 2009 10:12 YPang wrote:
Seriously, try to maintain a shred of decency.
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On October 09 2009 09:01 GGYouMake wrote:
didn't some die playing sc before? like they didn't eat or sleep for a week and died of starvation or exhaustion lol remember that?
That was everquest.
On October 09 2009 08:50 Tonyy wrote:
He shoulda raped her
On the flipside Starcraft: Brood War teaches safe sex. Ever wonder why Kerrigan and Jim Raynor never got their freak on?
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On October 09 2009 11:29 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2009 09:01 GGYouMake wrote:
didn't some die playing sc before? like they didn't eat or sleep for a week and died of starvation or exhaustion lol remember that? That was everquest. On the flipside Starcraft: Brood War teaches safe sex. Ever wonder why Kerrigan and Jim Raynor never got their freak on?
You mean other than the fact that she's covered by some kind of chitinous carapace and has a pair of five foot long blades coming out of her back?
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EDIT
LOL...as soon as I posted that, I saw Mani's post: "Seriously, try to maintain a shred of decency."
Edited out.
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omg...some of u guys are really funny...even when its inappropiate lol i love it
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Wasn't me, wonder what would have happened if the guy thought he was a lurker...
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wow..... i hate this bs. This is 1 person out of fucken millions of gamers. This dude probably has depression/anger/mental issues and was bound to do stupid shit like this regardless of what medium triggered it. It just HAPPENS to be starcraft and the media automatically links the cause to video games? Anything this fucken retarded chooses to commit his life to... whether it be education, sports, games, women, whatever... and it doesn't work hes gonna do stupid shit. I hate how media twists shit like this and refuses to look at it logically, but rather sell the story. the "war game starcraft".. propaganda.
Same with the CS causes school shootings BS... man. shits hella gay.
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On October 10 2009 19:49 Ro[]t wrote:
Wasn't me, wonder what would have happened if the guy thought he was a lurker...
girl had +20 armor
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This is why I'm scared to play at L.A.Ns
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On October 08 2009 20:16 TheTyranid wrote:Show nested quote +The crime was notified the next day by the 18 year olds dad who found a bent bloodstained knife in the home. Fail.
Fuck he stabbed a 15 yr old girl until the knife bent?!
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was probably a cheap IKEA-knife or something.
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I'll be the first to relate this to other kids/people messed up in the head from mental/social reasons.
In America, students came to school and shot other students and no one blamed the school for not socializing them enough.
What about the guy who works his ass off at the company for years but never gets a promotion and is basically the boss's and everyone else's bitch and then one day he comes into the office and kills people. No one blames the company for not having margarita Fridays.
It disgusts me that people (media) find a scapegoat in whatever will get the most media attention. Yes, starcraft can be considered a war game, that's because there are two sides competing for one goal. Every sport/game known to man with more than one player can fit this description of vague description of 'war-game'. Think about the golfer who misses a putt three times in a row and then throws his club or hits his opponent with it. Anyone blame golf for the cause of this? No.
The reason the media try to use games as a scapegoat for violent behavior is because the people in the media doing this didn't grow up with games like that. It's a generation's viewpoint. Our gamer's generation will all understand that it was the person and not the game that caused the violent act...but think in a few decades when virtual reality games might be the norm. When there's yet another virtual reality 'war-game' and then one of those players kills someone in real life, you know that someone in our generation (probably someone who didn't play games when they were young) is going to blame that new VR game as the cause.
It is possible for any person, given the right circumstances - mental health, social status, personal life; to go berserk after playing any type of competition sport/game.
In America in the old west, people were killed over poker games, directly and indirectly. Are people still killed today because of it? Yes...Is the media blaming poker as the reason? Doubtful.
Fuck the writer who wrote this article.
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On October 14 2009 01:34 JFKWT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2009 20:16 TheTyranid wrote:The crime was notified the next day by the 18 year olds dad who found a bent bloodstained knife in the home. Fail. Fuck he stabbed a 15 yr old girl until the knife bent?!
It just shows that the girl is obviously
+ Show Spoiler +
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