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useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
August 17 2008 07:48 GMT
#181
8 gold medals, and a cool million+ in just sponsor bonuses.
Moonlight Shadow
MuShu
Profile Joined March 2005
United States3223 Posts
August 17 2008 07:58 GMT
#182
On August 17 2008 14:07 artofmagic wrote:
he definitely a monster!
his 7th medal win was the most amazing. The speed of his arms are just unbelievable at the last minute.

Also, does swimming in the center of pool give those swimmers an advantage? Most of the time.. the winners are in the middle lanes. For some reason I have a feeling i read that there is less drag in the center.


I heard the commentators say that the outter lanes have less drag. I think they put the fastest in the center lanes because it's better for the spectators.

btw, yay for 8! GO PHELPS!
Masamune
Profile Joined January 2007
Canada3401 Posts
August 17 2008 08:06 GMT
#183
I'm not quite sure about drag forces and which lanes have it the strongest but I always figured that being in the center lanes was advantageous because you could see all your competition, as opposed to being in one of the side lanes, for example, and not knowing whether someone on the other side was gaining on you.
arew
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Lithuania1861 Posts
August 17 2008 08:15 GMT
#184
On August 13 2008 20:26 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Definitely the best performer in the Olympics so far


agree
750/750 emotions fully stacked
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
August 17 2008 10:18 GMT
#185
amazing feat...8 for 8...7 WR...incredible
"Thanks for the kind words, but if SS is the most interesting book you've ever read, you must have just started reading a couple of weeks ago." - Mark Rippetoe
H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
August 17 2008 10:29 GMT
#186
Phelps is a robot sent from the future to destroy competition.
[iHs]HCO | のヮの | pachi & plexa ownz | RIP _
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
August 17 2008 10:30 GMT
#187
On August 17 2008 16:58 MuShu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2008 14:07 artofmagic wrote:
he definitely a monster!
his 7th medal win was the most amazing. The speed of his arms are just unbelievable at the last minute.

Also, does swimming in the center of pool give those swimmers an advantage? Most of the time.. the winners are in the middle lanes. For some reason I have a feeling i read that there is less drag in the center.


I heard the commentators say that the outter lanes have less drag. I think they put the fastest in the center lanes because it's better for the spectators.

btw, yay for 8! GO PHELPS!


fastest qualifiers get the center lanes
kpcrew
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1071 Posts
August 17 2008 13:55 GMT
#188
what a pro
Clan Lzuruha
kpcrew
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1071 Posts
August 17 2008 13:55 GMT
#189
i called it
michael phelps owns all

now just gotta pray that hes legit
Clan Lzuruha
ssystem
Profile Joined August 2008
United Kingdom337 Posts
August 17 2008 14:02 GMT
#190
On August 17 2008 19:29 H_ wrote:
Phelps is a robot sent from the future to destroy competition.

THE FUTURE IS COMMUNIST!
theonemephisto
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States409 Posts
August 17 2008 16:22 GMT
#191
On August 17 2008 16:58 MuShu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2008 14:07 artofmagic wrote:
he definitely a monster!
his 7th medal win was the most amazing. The speed of his arms are just unbelievable at the last minute.

Also, does swimming in the center of pool give those swimmers an advantage? Most of the time.. the winners are in the middle lanes. For some reason I have a feeling i read that there is less drag in the center.


I heard the commentators say that the outter lanes have less drag. I think they put the fastest in the center lanes because it's better for the spectators.

btw, yay for 8! GO PHELPS!

Most of the time the side lanes suck balls because you're next to a wall, and that creates a ton of turbulence. However, the water cube is a 10 lane pool with 8 lanes in use, so yes, the side lanes will have a bit less turbulence because they have empty water to one side. Of course, you can get some funny currents in the side lanes still because waves under the water will still bounce off the side.

However, again, yes, the center lanes give you a better view (not that it matters in a lot of events, like fly). In fact, I'd say for fly I'd prefer a lane slightly to the right of the pool, as I turn to my left, therefore I can see more of the field that way.

But yea, it's for the spectators mostly. Just like how they circle seed the heats and semis, it's to save the good races for last.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14911 Posts
August 17 2008 17:31 GMT
#192
On August 17 2008 22:55 kpcrew(Gg) wrote:
i called it
michael phelps owns all

now just gotta pray that hes legit


congrats, so did everyone else in the world

at any rate, i really wish that when andrea kramer interviewed phelps, that she asked him something like "what are you gonna do to celebrate" and he replied I am getting DRUNK off my ASS and hittin some hot pussy tonight!

i woulda lost it completely
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
August 17 2008 17:40 GMT
#193
You shouldn't have a view on your competition
When you play or do a sport to improve yourself, you're not even playing your competition
your greatest competition is yourself and you are pushing yourself and the rest be damned
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
August 17 2008 18:10 GMT
#194
I dunno if this has already been brought up before, but does anybody else feel it sucks balls that swimmers can win a shitload of medals, while judokas, fencers, road racers etc can pretty much only get 1, 2 tops. Why does it give the swimmers a "league of their own" to outperform every other athlete in terms of medal count by doing almost the same thing 8 times?

And this is not even mentioning the LZR Racer suits...

Meh.

Go Nadal, you worked more than Phelps. :/
ploy
Profile Joined January 2006
United States416 Posts
August 17 2008 18:16 GMT
#195
Wow, to say Nadal has worked more or harder than Phelps is pretty fucking ignorant.

I was just saying the same thing about how it sucks that the US basketball team will play so many games to only win one medal the other night, but you can't blame that on Phelps.

Any top athlete in another sport will still say that Phelps is one of the greatest athletes of all time. (I'd bet that includes Nadal)
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-17 18:29:02
August 17 2008 18:21 GMT
#196
The Spanish wouldn't...

Oh, and who the hell is blaming it on Phelps? I'm blaming the system.

Another thing is your team sports. You mean to say that everyone in that basketball team works the same amount to get that medal? You mean to say that the guy in baseball that sits behind the enemy and catches balls thrown by his partner does the same amount of work as Nadal, Phelps or whatever other athlete actually moving around?

The system sucks. Everyone should have equal opportunities to be measured with other athletes, otherwise fanboys like you will start thinking Phelps is somehow "the best human in the world" or some similar shit.
ploy
Profile Joined January 2006
United States416 Posts
August 17 2008 18:22 GMT
#197
On August 18 2008 02:40 MYM.Testie wrote:
You shouldn't have a view on your competition
When you play or do a sport to improve yourself, you're not even playing your competition
your greatest competition is yourself and you are pushing yourself and the rest be damned



Except when you're going for 8 golds and you have to qualify for every single one of them, you really want to be able to 'pace' yourself (if you can even call it pacing for Phelps) so your body can perform at its peak only when it really needs to. If he went all out in all the qualifiers he probably would not have won 8 golds, seeing as how I'm sure it would slow him down at least .01 in that 100m butterfly.
ploy
Profile Joined January 2006
United States416 Posts
August 17 2008 18:34 GMT
#198
On August 18 2008 03:21 Mynock wrote:
The Spanish wouldn't...

Oh, and who the hell is blaming it on Phelps? I'm blaming the system.

Another thing is your team sports. You mean to say that everyone in that basketball team works the same amount to get that medal? You mean to say that the guy in basketball that sits behind the enemy and catches balls thrown by his partner does the same amount of work as Nadal, Phelps or whatever other athlete actually moving around?

The system sucks. Everyone should have equal opportunities to be measured with other athletes, otherwise fanboys like you will start thinking Phelps is somehow "the best human in the world" or some similar shit.



I agree that the system is messed up, and you make a good point. However, don't even try to label me as a 'Phelps fanboy' to discredit me. I wouldn't call myself a fan of Phelps, but I used to swim competitively so I know exactly how incredible of a feat he has just performed.

How would you like it if I had never played competitive tennis before (played that too - I actually like Nadal) but said that Nadal wouldn't deserve more than one gold anyways because it's not that hard of a sport compared to soccer or something while calling you a Nadal fanboy.

You'd think I was a bit ignorant, wouldn't you?
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
August 17 2008 18:38 GMT
#199
I think it sucks that non-swimmers don't get as great a challenge as the swimmers, but the swimmers still deserve the extra praise that they receive. And as far as relative training goes, and who works harder, etc, I think the bottom line is that 90% of the olympians are dedicating their lives to their sports and are doing everything they can, so they all deserve equal praise. But, if anything, swimmers train harder than most. Since they are doing a non-impact sport, their injury to training volume ratio is much much smaller than basically every other sport out there. Therefore they can train longer hours.

I'm trying to imagine how to stage the challenge Phelps faced but for other sports. The athlete would have to have a best-in-the-world performance 6+ times (and he'd have to do it against an entire field at once, like in track, and not just one at a time, like in tennis). He'd have to be competing against well-rested people when he has just competed hours (or less) before the event. He'd have to have a wide variety of skills (the different strokes) even though he is facing specialists. I also imagine there are a lot of smaller mental things that Phelps uniquely faced that other olympians have not had to experience... etc etc
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
August 17 2008 18:42 GMT
#200
It would, but seeing as how I didn't even attack Phelps I don't see why you jumped in there in defense. I merely said that I didn't like the system that way. That little remark of mine at the end was not even meant too seriously, and if it would make you feel better - I retract it.

The point stands however - if the swimmers had 24 events during the Olympiad, Phelps would have a chance to win all of them, merely because he is a great swimmer. That doesn't deserve a special praise for him, because everybody else would also enter those events and be equally tired, and in a difficult position. The breaking of the world records on itself also isn't enough, because due to the new Speedo suits everybody is breaking those records left and right.

The point is - things aren't objective at the time, so no matter how you look at it - you just can't crown a "top athlete" objectively.

Phelps is a damn good athlete tho, and absolutely no doubt he's the best swimmer ATM. But that's it.
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