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KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
November 26 2008 16:10 GMT
#621
Hate on Florida all you want, but you have to admit that Urban Meyer's daughter is kind of cute
http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=881113
even though she may not even be 18 yet...
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
November 26 2008 17:34 GMT
#622
On November 26 2008 13:02 tonight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2008 12:21 Sadist wrote:
A rematch had already happened with Florida vs Florida State in the NC game

Ever since that I've hated Florida.

That was also pre-BCS, when the bowls were decided based mostly on conference. The BCS would have pitted unbeaten Florida State against unbeaten Arizona State. (much as I don't like the BCS, it is a slight improvement over what we had before)
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
November 26 2008 17:39 GMT
#623
On November 27 2008 01:10 KOFgokuon wrote:
Hate on Florida all you want, but you have to admit that Urban Meyer's daughter is kind of cute
http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=881113
even though she may not even be 18 yet...


She's at least 16 and most of us are <24 so it's all good by Florida law and definitely by Georgia law.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-26 17:45:25
November 26 2008 17:41 GMT
#624
On November 26 2008 12:21 Sadist wrote:
It would be horseshit if texas got to go and didnt win their conf.

How absolutely do you believe this, though? Hypothetical:
* Florida loses to Alabama (finishes 11-2).
* Alabama are 13-0 SEC Champions and in the title game for sure.
* Oregon State beats Oregon to win Pac 10 (finishes 9-3)
* Let's say Penn State had lost to Michigan State (making Ohio State Big 10 champs at 10-2)
* Oklahoma loses to Oklahoma State (both finish 10-2)
* Texas Tech loses to Missouri (both 2 losses)
* Big East champion already guaranteed at least 2 losses
* ACC champion already guaranteed at least 3 losses

It's down to either Texas who has the best record in the Big 12 but not the championship trophy, a BCS champion with more losses than Texas, or a team from the WAC/Mt West/MAC. I don't see the argument here for Missouri over Texas.


One big difference between this year's Big 12 and last year's SEC is that Georgia lost the SEC West due to head-to-head. It was a straight-up, objective tiebreaker. Texas may lose the Big 12 South due to voting, despite having beaten the team (Oklahoma) who they are tied with in record but will get the subjective nod. That's not really Texas' fault that the voters prefer Oklahoma. Therefore, if Oklahoma chokes it in the conference championship, it's less unreasonable to send Texas rather than OU or Missouri (on the other hand, if Oklahoma wins the B12CG, then they deserve to go).

Likewise, if LSU had lost the SEC title game last season, I think it would have been totally legit to send Georgia to the BCS championship.
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
November 26 2008 19:00 GMT
#625
On November 27 2008 02:41 Signet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2008 12:21 Sadist wrote:
It would be horseshit if texas got to go and didnt win their conf.

How absolutely do you believe this, though? Hypothetical:
* Florida loses to Alabama (finishes 11-2).
* Alabama are 13-0 SEC Champions and in the title game for sure.
* Oregon State beats Oregon to win Pac 10 (finishes 9-3)
* Let's say Penn State had lost to Michigan State (making Ohio State Big 10 champs at 10-2)
* Oklahoma loses to Oklahoma State (both finish 10-2)
* Texas Tech loses to Missouri (both 2 losses)
* Big East champion already guaranteed at least 2 losses
* ACC champion already guaranteed at least 3 losses

It's down to either Texas who has the best record in the Big 12 but not the championship trophy, a BCS champion with more losses than Texas, or a team from the WAC/Mt West/MAC. I don't see the argument here for Missouri over Texas.


One big difference between this year's Big 12 and last year's SEC is that Georgia lost the SEC West due to head-to-head. It was a straight-up, objective tiebreaker. Texas may lose the Big 12 South due to voting, despite having beaten the team (Oklahoma) who they are tied with in record but will get the subjective nod. That's not really Texas' fault that the voters prefer Oklahoma. Therefore, if Oklahoma chokes it in the conference championship, it's less unreasonable to send Texas rather than OU or Missouri (on the other hand, if Oklahoma wins the B12CG, then they deserve to go).

Likewise, if LSU had lost the SEC title game last season, I think it would have been totally legit to send Georgia to the BCS championship.


I dont believe it, but the arguement has been used before. I thought Michigan should have gone in 06.

But thats what people whined about last time (especially the SEC faggots)

you can argue that you are rewarding texas by not playing thereby not possibly losing in the conf title game if you let them go.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
November 26 2008 19:22 GMT
#626
On November 27 2008 02:34 Signet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2008 13:02 tonight wrote:
On November 26 2008 12:21 Sadist wrote:
A rematch had already happened with Florida vs Florida State in the NC game

Ever since that I've hated Florida.

That was also pre-BCS, when the bowls were decided based mostly on conference. The BCS would have pitted unbeaten Florida State against unbeaten Arizona State. (much as I don't like the BCS, it is a slight improvement over what we had before)

I was mostly talking about 06 when Florida jumped Michigan. They also didn't want a rematch of OSU and UofM in the championship game. Even though Florida ended up smashing OSU and then UofM got around to beating Florida the following year.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
DukE_ss
Profile Joined June 2007
United States689 Posts
November 29 2008 06:22 GMT
#627
On November 27 2008 04:22 tonight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2008 02:34 Signet wrote:
On November 26 2008 13:02 tonight wrote:
On November 26 2008 12:21 Sadist wrote:
A rematch had already happened with Florida vs Florida State in the NC game

Ever since that I've hated Florida.

That was also pre-BCS, when the bowls were decided based mostly on conference. The BCS would have pitted unbeaten Florida State against unbeaten Arizona State. (much as I don't like the BCS, it is a slight improvement over what we had before)

I was mostly talking about 06 when Florida jumped Michigan. They also didn't want a rematch of OSU and UofM in the championship game. Even though Florida ended up smashing OSU and then UofM got around to beating Florida the following year.


Yeah but Florida did lose a lot of players to graduation or the draft after that 06 championship so comparing the two game isn't really fair to Florida.
“When we seek to discover the best in others, we somehow bring out the best in ourselves.” William Arthur Ward "You are what you think, You become what you think, What you think becomes reality." Phil Hellmuth
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
November 29 2008 08:07 GMT
#628
On November 29 2008 15:22 DukE_ss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2008 04:22 tonight wrote:
On November 27 2008 02:34 Signet wrote:
On November 26 2008 13:02 tonight wrote:
On November 26 2008 12:21 Sadist wrote:
A rematch had already happened with Florida vs Florida State in the NC game

Ever since that I've hated Florida.

That was also pre-BCS, when the bowls were decided based mostly on conference. The BCS would have pitted unbeaten Florida State against unbeaten Arizona State. (much as I don't like the BCS, it is a slight improvement over what we had before)

I was mostly talking about 06 when Florida jumped Michigan. They also didn't want a rematch of OSU and UofM in the championship game. Even though Florida ended up smashing OSU and then UofM got around to beating Florida the following year.


Yeah but Florida did lose a lot of players to graduation or the draft after that 06 championship so comparing the two game isn't really fair to Florida.



michigans defense lost a shitload too.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
tomash6
Profile Joined March 2006
7 Posts
November 29 2008 18:57 GMT
#629
On November 29 2008 17:07 Sadist wrote:

michigans defense lost a shitload too.


Yes, both Michigan and Florida lost a lot of players, and that makes that head-to-head comparison even worse. You just can't compare the two different seasons like that. Anyway, Florida did beat Ohio State that year convincingly, so in hindsight it was not a bad choice. Not to mention the '06 Michigan team lost decisively to USC. So if there had been a +1 or a playoff format, not even one of the Big Ten teams would most likely make the title game, much less both of them.

This year, just as every year, is a demonstration that the current format is flawed. The BCS cares whether your conference is one of the 6 privileged, regardless of if the privileged conference is strong or not. Boise State, Ball State and Utah all ran the table in their respective conference, and in addition at least Utah and Boise State are guaranteed to be ranked ahead of the Big East and ACC Champion, and possibly even the Pac-10 main champion. But only one of them will go to a BCS bowl, while the other (Boise) is most likely stuck in some average bowl game. The argument is, that they did not play a strong schedule so the undefeated record does not matter much. But then teams like Cincinnati and Oregon State, with 2 and 3 losses, should also not get a BCS bowl bid, since their conferences are not better than the MWC, for example.
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
November 29 2008 19:07 GMT
#630
On November 30 2008 03:57 tomash6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2008 17:07 Sadist wrote:

michigans defense lost a shitload too.


Yes, both Michigan and Florida lost a lot of players, and that makes that head-to-head comparison even worse. You just can't compare the two different seasons like that. Anyway, Florida did beat Ohio State that year convincingly, so in hindsight it was not a bad choice. Not to mention the '06 Michigan team lost decisively to USC. So if there had been a +1 or a playoff format, not even one of the Big Ten teams would most likely make the title game, much less both of them.

This year, just as every year, is a demonstration that the current format is flawed. The BCS cares whether your conference is one of the 6 privileged, regardless of if the privileged conference is strong or not. Boise State, Ball State and Utah all ran the table in their respective conference, and in addition at least Utah and Boise State are guaranteed to be ranked ahead of the Big East and ACC Champion, and possibly even the Pac-10 main champion. But only one of them will go to a BCS bowl, while the other (Boise) is most likely stuck in some average bowl game. The argument is, that they did not play a strong schedule so the undefeated record does not matter much. But then teams like Cincinnati and Oregon State, with 2 and 3 losses, should also not get a BCS bowl bid, since their conferences are not better than the MWC, for example.

Uh, how about Florida had Tebow who won the Heisman. How does that sit?
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
November 30 2008 01:09 GMT
#631
Oregon fighting~
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
November 30 2008 01:43 GMT
#632
It looks like a BCS at-large bid is going to be opening up.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
November 30 2008 01:46 GMT
#633
rofl pick6

Oregon is putting a beating on Oregon st.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
TheMusiC
Profile Joined January 2004
United States1054 Posts
November 30 2008 04:56 GMT
#634
3-way tie and lots of bitching inc!

that OU-OSU game was a LOT closer than the scoreline suggests. i still think OU goes to the big 12 championship/NC game though
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
November 30 2008 06:19 GMT
#635
I agree with TheMusiC. Last week's polling suggests likewise.
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
November 30 2008 08:38 GMT
#636
OSU to pull a huge upset!
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
November 30 2008 10:04 GMT
#637
It'll be interesting to see how the polls shape up tomorrow. Through three quarters Okla State kept it really close, but OU made the final score convincing.

Yeah, just more proof that they need a playoff. Mack Brown was talking about how if they used the SEC system, which eliminates the bottom ranked team then uses head-to-head between the top two, Texas would win the B12S for sure. One of the announcers said that if point differential was the last tiebreaker, Oklahoma would win it for sure. Just stupid that it comes down to what system they use and who's voting. Both teams are just about equally deserving.
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-30 20:35:43
November 30 2008 20:14 GMT
#638
Been playing around with Colley's computer poll. GT > Georgia and Kansas > Missouri have a HUGE impact. If OU starts passing Alabama now that Georgia has lost, that could swing the Big 12 South.

Right now it looks like we will have Oklahoma +1 spot in Sagarin (official) and Massey's (OU-UT went 1-2 last week). Texas highly likely to be +1 in Colley's. OU was ahead in Billingsley's last week, and with Goergia's loss that may be enough to jump them to #1 over Alabama. Assuming that happens, OU is +3 in the computers with Anderson and Wolfe still out.

Texas was +1 in Anderson and +2 in Wolfe last week. In AH there is a decent chance Texas could pass Utah to get +2. In Wolfe, Oklahoma will surely pass Texas Tech. The question is whether OU will pass Texas... or for that matter, whether Texas will pass Alabama. Seems like the most likely results are a tie in the computer polls or Oklahoma ahead by 1 vote (scales down to 0.25 in the computer average).

With the Coaches Poll practically tied, this means it comes down to the Harris Poll. The AP voters moved towards Texas by just 12 points out of 65 voters. The coaches on the other hand moved towards Texas by 41 points out of 61 voters. Did the Harris voters see things more like the AP, or more like the coaches?

I guess we'll find out in a few hours....
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
November 30 2008 22:08 GMT
#639
Oklahoma goes,

thats fucked up.

While I think they are better than Texas, Texas did beat them. THis is why the BCS is TRAAAAASHHHHHHHH

PLAYOFF PLEASE FUCKING CHRIST


if i didnt know better id swear the WGT admins ran the NCAA
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
darkmetal505
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States639 Posts
November 30 2008 22:13 GMT
#640
OU ousts Texas barely

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3735383

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