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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On November 13 2015 01:49 Musicus wrote: Get hyped for WCA guys, this will be huge. The back2warcraft team will provide the english stream and Moon is back just in time! And where is my German stream? | ||
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lestye
United States4238 Posts
On November 28 2015 19:48 Dingodile wrote: I dont know why I am cheering so hard for foreigners in sc2, that never happened in wc3 (follow since 2004). Are you kidding me? Grubby was an absolute BALLER in WC3. Won many WCGs, and I'll never forget how much of a baller he was winning Blizzcon, and then proposing to his girlfriend right after he won. On November 28 2015 19:36 Spaylz wrote: I don't know. Can we find out? I think it's very safe to assume 2. I've never heard of a 1 player comes out of a 4 player group before. | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On November 29 2015 12:10 lestye wrote: Are you kidding me? Grubby was an absolute BALLER in WC3. Won many WCGs, and I'll never forget how much of a baller he was winning Blizzcon, and then proposing to his girlfriend right after he won. I think it's very safe to assume 2. I've never heard of a 1 player comes out of a 4 player group before. Yeah, that's fair. Also, I've got to agree on the foreigners thing. Grubby is the best example, but there were others. ToD was one of the few players who could compete with Koreans on a regular basis. I think he probably has a solid track record against Moon. And can't forget Creolophus... | ||
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remodemo
Germany120 Posts
On November 29 2015 12:10 lestye wrote: Are you kidding me? Grubby was an absolute BALLER in WC3. Won many WCGs, and I'll never forget how much of a baller he was winning Blizzcon, and then proposing to his girlfriend right after he won. I think it's very safe to assume 2. I've never heard of a 1 player comes out of a 4 player group before. Yes, Top two players from each group respectively will advance. After that they will be heading into a double elimination bracket. Something else that might be noteworthy: Last year the group stages were played in a BO2 format. There have been no details given for this year's Final Event format, however. | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On November 29 2015 12:10 lestye wrote: Are you kidding me? Grubby was an absolute BALLER in WC3. Won many WCGs, and I'll never forget how much of a baller he was winning Blizzcon, and then proposing to his girlfriend right after he won. I think it's very safe to assume 2. I've never heard of a 1 player comes out of a 4 player group before. Grubby is the most accomplished player of WC3 but heads up play he got dominated by Sky badly alot of the time, especially when both were basically at their peaks. Grubby definitely the most consistent player though able to maintain high placements even when he was playing outside of the meta (Far Seer instead of OP as fuck Blademaster). | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
On November 30 2015 05:39 superstartran wrote: Grubby is the most accomplished player of WC3 but heads up play he got dominated by Sky badly alot of the time, especially when both were basically at their peaks. Grubby definitely the most consistent player though able to maintain high placements even when he was playing outside of the meta (Far Seer instead of OP as fuck Blademaster). Wait what? I don't remember him playing FS much after BM got popular. The Orc meta is weird because BM was changed/buffed long before he eventually became popular, so patch dates aren't really a good indication. What made Grubby great was how adaptable he was. His micro wasn't quite as good as the absolute best players (although it was very close) but he was great at fluidly switching strategies mid game and in this made him very difficult to predict and anticipate. Fantastic player and unquestionably the best Orc player of all time. | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On November 30 2015 08:58 Amarok wrote: Wait what? I don't remember him playing FS much after BM got popular. The Orc meta is weird because BM was changed/buffed long before he eventually became popular, so patch dates aren't really a good indication. What made Grubby great was how adaptable he was. His micro wasn't quite as good as the absolute best players (although it was very close) but he was great at fluidly switching strategies mid game and in this made him very difficult to predict and anticipate. Fantastic player and unquestionably the best Orc player of all time. I believe Grubby was known for doing FS/TC and using "blitzkrieg tactics", i.e. come into the enemy's, base, do a lot of damage real fast with Chain Lightning + Shockwave, then retreat. He often resorted to that strategy when he would start losing fights upfront. | ||
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
On November 30 2015 12:40 Spaylz wrote: I believe Grubby was known for doing FS/TC and using "blitzkrieg tactics", i.e. come into the enemy's, base, do a lot of damage real fast with Chain Lightning + Shockwave, then retreat. He often resorted to that strategy when he would start losing fights upfront. But was that post the BM being everywhere? It's mostly that I remember the majority of his more recent games being BM first. His FS was old school. But yeah, that was the trademark Grubby move. He'd be behind in a game and nab a sneaky expansion and harass in a way that wouldn't give away it's positioning, hide forces so it looked like he wasn't getting income, then eventually make a successful defence with the extra gold. He was very hard to put away in games. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17843 Posts
On November 30 2015 12:40 Spaylz wrote: I believe Grubby was known for doing FS/TC and using "blitzkrieg tactics", i.e. come into the enemy's, base, do a lot of damage real fast with Chain Lightning + Shockwave, then retreat. He often resorted to that strategy when he would start losing fights upfront. He practically invented lvling FS to 3 as soon as possible and hitting UD base during upgrade times, obliterating acolytes with lvl2 chain lightning. So annoying... | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On November 30 2015 12:51 Amarok wrote: But was that post the BM being everywhere? It's mostly that I remember the majority of his more recent games being BM first. His FS was old school. But yeah, that was the trademark Grubby move. He'd be behind in a game and nab a sneaky expansion and harass in a way that wouldn't give away it's positioning, hide forces so it looked like he wasn't getting income, then eventually make a successful defence with the extra gold. He was very hard to put away in games. For sure it was. I think he did it a lot on TM specifically. | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On November 30 2015 08:58 Amarok wrote: Wait what? I don't remember him playing FS much after BM got popular. The Orc meta is weird because BM was changed/buffed long before he eventually became popular, so patch dates aren't really a good indication. What made Grubby great was how adaptable he was. His micro wasn't quite as good as the absolute best players (although it was very close) but he was great at fluidly switching strategies mid game and in this made him very difficult to predict and anticipate. Fantastic player and unquestionably the best Orc player of all time. Grubby didn't use the BM until way after BM became popular among all pros. He started it way late in the meta and was still using FS very early on during the BM craze. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
What stopped FS to be viable (outside of non-meta strats and map specific creep routes) was the nerf to wolves: After the nerf, the wolves gave way more XP to your enemy and thus all races, but undead specially, loved to play against FS, as he gave so much XP in the early game undead would not have otherwise. As you usually skilled from lvl 1 to 3 "wolves, lighting, lightning lvl 2", FS had to work with the wolves to gain fast lvl 3 and easier creeping. With the FS you could delay your barracks very long and start teching to T2 even before starting the barracks. But with this heavy use of wolves the enemy could take alot of XP from you by killing them (and they are not invis on lvl 1). Up to that, the FS-TC tactic gave you great damage for multi-small-target like against NE-Talons, Workers and Human-Casters. But in the later game you missed alot of damage your BM could pull out (Crit-Lvl-3 + dmg items on BM). Special case is again Undead, where FS could kill alot of Acos (you also had your TC way faster thanks to faster Tech) but the FS was practically worthless as soon as the game went into the DK-Lich-Fiend-Destroy against FS-TC-Raider-walker meta. While the BM focuses on stealing XP from the strong UD heros, the FS donated XP to them and thus made them stronger. Grubby could use his game sense with hidden expos (TM the map to do it) and other kinky stuff, but in the end the BM-meta was just way better against UD. For Night-Elve and Human, the use of healing scrolls in 50-50 fights countered TC-FS alot, while the main army of Night-Elve was not about the talons, but the dmg output of DH, BeastM and Tinker. Without the BM you missed the damage to kill these key heros and you even gave them the needed xp with the wolves. Also a Invu-Potion on BM was much better against NE then one on a FS. Thus the FS-meta went away here very soon too. Against human, FS-TC could be very cool tool to harass the fast-expand human and even helped against the T2-Tower-rifler human. But finally it wasnt strong enough to hold AM-BeastM lodge/beast-cancel-style as also it gave lvl 3 to the AM way to fast. You needed the BM to keep the AM down as long as possible so you could get up your key tech buildings. Why expand with many milita/workers, when you could just outright delay the human with AM/BeastM and then kill him with rifler-towers while he had still no raider/walkers? So the FS fall out of that meta too and thats the history of the FS meta. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
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Tchado
Jordan1831 Posts
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lestye
United States4238 Posts
On December 07 2015 22:16 Tchado wrote: Speaking of grubby , is he still doing heroes of the storm ? or does he plan to play lotv ? Yeah, he's still doing heroes of the storm. I don't know the guy very hell, but I'm assuming he's in the part of his life where he kinda wants to switch to casting or doing something else in esports. I haven't seen him touch LOTV. | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
He actually has a decent following, too. Every time he streams he has ~4k viewers or so, and it tends to go up, slowly but surely. On top of all that, he's extremely active on YouTube. | ||
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Tchado
Jordan1831 Posts
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
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lestye
United States4238 Posts
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