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amazing that Chris Paul still managed to get a 2 for 1 there
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On April 23 2013 12:51 dgsdm wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 12:46 slyboogie wrote:On April 23 2013 12:40 DystopiaX wrote:On April 23 2013 12:32 dgsdm wrote:On April 23 2013 11:13 DystopiaX wrote:
Cleared medically and ready to play are 2 different things, as both Rose and his doctors stated when he was cleared.
There's no way to say for sure he'd be great, look at Shump he's been terrible. Plus if he's playing only 5 minutes you're only getting him there to get him on the floor and at this point that'd be detrimental to the team. And Kobe and Lebron never had to deal with a torn ACL, so comparing Rose to them is stupid. As a Bulls fan I'd much rather have him take his time and take the season off if it means that he gets the extra time to gain confidence in his knee so he doesn't try to "protect" it, land awkwardly, and injure something else. It's about the next 10 years, not this 1 playoffs. Thanks for the explanation, makes sense I suppose. But will Kobe sit out the entire next season or will he play as soon as he's medically cleared? From the looks of it Kobe will try to recover and play by the start of next season. But with your explanation I can see why Rose isn't playing and I think it's pretty wise somewhat. I'm impressed that he hasn't been pressured by fans into playing thus far. I just feel that if he is an intense competitor as people make him out to be, he wouldn't be sitting on the sidelines watching his team in the playoffs. Jamal Crawford ooowning. edit: I don't dislike Rose or anything, just questioning his drive and competitive spirit. He still has a long career ahead of him and I can understand what he means by not being ready to play. Kobe's "competitive drive" also caused him to miss the playoffs by continuing to play despite injuring his leg/knee twice in THE SAME GAME before injuring his leg a third time. In this case I'd say Kobe's competitiveness was more detrimental than helpful. That's pretty results oriented. You might say that Derrick Rose's caution caused him to miss an entire season. Maybe Kobe didn't have to miss the playoffs (you'll never be able to prove it, either way,) but maybe Derrick Rose didn't have to miss the season. You'll never really know. And the majority of things I've read have said that an Achilles tear is not the result of fatigue or previous injury. I'm not defending Kobe or blaming Rose - but almost all players in the NBA play injured. When you watched Tim Duncan limp around in 2008-2011, it was brutal but no one said he hurt his team. Wait so does that mean it was a freak injury? I thought/figured he tore his achilles because he was putting too much stress on his body. There's no way to know. It's often a freak injury, but stress can contribute to it.
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On April 23 2013 12:46 slyboogie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 12:40 DystopiaX wrote:On April 23 2013 12:32 dgsdm wrote:On April 23 2013 11:13 DystopiaX wrote:
Cleared medically and ready to play are 2 different things, as both Rose and his doctors stated when he was cleared.
There's no way to say for sure he'd be great, look at Shump he's been terrible. Plus if he's playing only 5 minutes you're only getting him there to get him on the floor and at this point that'd be detrimental to the team. And Kobe and Lebron never had to deal with a torn ACL, so comparing Rose to them is stupid. As a Bulls fan I'd much rather have him take his time and take the season off if it means that he gets the extra time to gain confidence in his knee so he doesn't try to "protect" it, land awkwardly, and injure something else. It's about the next 10 years, not this 1 playoffs. Thanks for the explanation, makes sense I suppose. But will Kobe sit out the entire next season or will he play as soon as he's medically cleared? From the looks of it Kobe will try to recover and play by the start of next season. But with your explanation I can see why Rose isn't playing and I think it's pretty wise somewhat. I'm impressed that he hasn't been pressured by fans into playing thus far. I just feel that if he is an intense competitor as people make him out to be, he wouldn't be sitting on the sidelines watching his team in the playoffs. Jamal Crawford ooowning. edit: I don't dislike Rose or anything, just questioning his drive and competitive spirit. He still has a long career ahead of him and I can understand what he means by not being ready to play. Kobe's "competitive drive" also caused him to miss the playoffs by continuing to play despite injuring his leg/knee twice in THE SAME GAME before injuring his leg a third time. In this case I'd say Kobe's competitiveness was more detrimental than helpful. That's pretty results oriented. You might say that Derrick Rose's caution caused him to miss an entire season. Maybe Kobe didn't have to miss the playoffs (you'll never be able to prove it, either way,) but maybe Derrick Rose didn't have to miss the season. You'll never really know. And the majority of things I've read have said that an Achilles tear is not the result of fatigue or previous injury. I'm not defending Kobe or blaming Rose - but almost all players in the NBA play injured. When you watched Tim Duncan limp around in 2008-2011, it was brutal but no one said he hurt his team.
I think when they say "previous injury" they don't mean "currently limping due to knee and foot injuries sustained less than 10 minutes ago yet still trying to play professional basketball", they mean previous injury. I think it would be hard to argue that chances of sustaining an injury aren't affected at all after JUST sustaining injuries. It's similar to the thing I was talking about with DRose- if you hurt your foot and knee you're going to limp/move differently to put less stress on those body parts, which put more on others- in this case, his achilles.
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On April 23 2013 13:01 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 12:46 slyboogie wrote:On April 23 2013 12:40 DystopiaX wrote:On April 23 2013 12:32 dgsdm wrote:On April 23 2013 11:13 DystopiaX wrote:
Cleared medically and ready to play are 2 different things, as both Rose and his doctors stated when he was cleared.
There's no way to say for sure he'd be great, look at Shump he's been terrible. Plus if he's playing only 5 minutes you're only getting him there to get him on the floor and at this point that'd be detrimental to the team. And Kobe and Lebron never had to deal with a torn ACL, so comparing Rose to them is stupid. As a Bulls fan I'd much rather have him take his time and take the season off if it means that he gets the extra time to gain confidence in his knee so he doesn't try to "protect" it, land awkwardly, and injure something else. It's about the next 10 years, not this 1 playoffs. Thanks for the explanation, makes sense I suppose. But will Kobe sit out the entire next season or will he play as soon as he's medically cleared? From the looks of it Kobe will try to recover and play by the start of next season. But with your explanation I can see why Rose isn't playing and I think it's pretty wise somewhat. I'm impressed that he hasn't been pressured by fans into playing thus far. I just feel that if he is an intense competitor as people make him out to be, he wouldn't be sitting on the sidelines watching his team in the playoffs. Jamal Crawford ooowning. edit: I don't dislike Rose or anything, just questioning his drive and competitive spirit. He still has a long career ahead of him and I can understand what he means by not being ready to play. Kobe's "competitive drive" also caused him to miss the playoffs by continuing to play despite injuring his leg/knee twice in THE SAME GAME before injuring his leg a third time. In this case I'd say Kobe's competitiveness was more detrimental than helpful. That's pretty results oriented. You might say that Derrick Rose's caution caused him to miss an entire season. Maybe Kobe didn't have to miss the playoffs (you'll never be able to prove it, either way,) but maybe Derrick Rose didn't have to miss the season. You'll never really know. And the majority of things I've read have said that an Achilles tear is not the result of fatigue or previous injury. I'm not defending Kobe or blaming Rose - but almost all players in the NBA play injured. When you watched Tim Duncan limp around in 2008-2011, it was brutal but no one said he hurt his team. I think when they say "previous injury" they don't mean "currently limping due to knee and foot injuries sustained less than 10 minutes ago yet still trying to play professional basketball", they mean previous injury. I think it would be hard to argue that chances of sustaining an injury aren't affected at all after JUST sustaining injuries. It's similar to the thing I was talking about with DRose- if you hurt your foot and knee you're going to limp/move differently to put less stress on those body parts, which put more on others- in this case, his achilles.
He didn't suffer an injury during the Warrior's games did he? I never saw him leave the game.
EDIT: Everything else is just a truism. Players are injured all the time. In 2008, Chris Paul played with a knee brace the size of a baby. But he played like 35 minutes a game in the playoffs. Dwyane Wade played his entire career injured, basically. That's just how professional sports work. Rose can wait until he's 100% but once he hits the floor, he'll never be 100% again.
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On April 23 2013 13:05 slyboogie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 13:01 DystopiaX wrote:On April 23 2013 12:46 slyboogie wrote:On April 23 2013 12:40 DystopiaX wrote:On April 23 2013 12:32 dgsdm wrote:On April 23 2013 11:13 DystopiaX wrote:
Cleared medically and ready to play are 2 different things, as both Rose and his doctors stated when he was cleared.
There's no way to say for sure he'd be great, look at Shump he's been terrible. Plus if he's playing only 5 minutes you're only getting him there to get him on the floor and at this point that'd be detrimental to the team. And Kobe and Lebron never had to deal with a torn ACL, so comparing Rose to them is stupid. As a Bulls fan I'd much rather have him take his time and take the season off if it means that he gets the extra time to gain confidence in his knee so he doesn't try to "protect" it, land awkwardly, and injure something else. It's about the next 10 years, not this 1 playoffs. Thanks for the explanation, makes sense I suppose. But will Kobe sit out the entire next season or will he play as soon as he's medically cleared? From the looks of it Kobe will try to recover and play by the start of next season. But with your explanation I can see why Rose isn't playing and I think it's pretty wise somewhat. I'm impressed that he hasn't been pressured by fans into playing thus far. I just feel that if he is an intense competitor as people make him out to be, he wouldn't be sitting on the sidelines watching his team in the playoffs. Jamal Crawford ooowning. edit: I don't dislike Rose or anything, just questioning his drive and competitive spirit. He still has a long career ahead of him and I can understand what he means by not being ready to play. Kobe's "competitive drive" also caused him to miss the playoffs by continuing to play despite injuring his leg/knee twice in THE SAME GAME before injuring his leg a third time. In this case I'd say Kobe's competitiveness was more detrimental than helpful. That's pretty results oriented. You might say that Derrick Rose's caution caused him to miss an entire season. Maybe Kobe didn't have to miss the playoffs (you'll never be able to prove it, either way,) but maybe Derrick Rose didn't have to miss the season. You'll never really know. And the majority of things I've read have said that an Achilles tear is not the result of fatigue or previous injury. I'm not defending Kobe or blaming Rose - but almost all players in the NBA play injured. When you watched Tim Duncan limp around in 2008-2011, it was brutal but no one said he hurt his team. I think when they say "previous injury" they don't mean "currently limping due to knee and foot injuries sustained less than 10 minutes ago yet still trying to play professional basketball", they mean previous injury. I think it would be hard to argue that chances of sustaining an injury aren't affected at all after JUST sustaining injuries. It's similar to the thing I was talking about with DRose- if you hurt your foot and knee you're going to limp/move differently to put less stress on those body parts, which put more on others- in this case, his achilles. He didn't suffer an injury during the Warrior's games did he? I never saw him leave the game.
He hurt his leg twice and refused to come out of the game.
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On April 23 2013 13:05 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 13:05 slyboogie wrote:On April 23 2013 13:01 DystopiaX wrote:On April 23 2013 12:46 slyboogie wrote:On April 23 2013 12:40 DystopiaX wrote:On April 23 2013 12:32 dgsdm wrote:On April 23 2013 11:13 DystopiaX wrote:
Cleared medically and ready to play are 2 different things, as both Rose and his doctors stated when he was cleared.
There's no way to say for sure he'd be great, look at Shump he's been terrible. Plus if he's playing only 5 minutes you're only getting him there to get him on the floor and at this point that'd be detrimental to the team. And Kobe and Lebron never had to deal with a torn ACL, so comparing Rose to them is stupid. As a Bulls fan I'd much rather have him take his time and take the season off if it means that he gets the extra time to gain confidence in his knee so he doesn't try to "protect" it, land awkwardly, and injure something else. It's about the next 10 years, not this 1 playoffs. Thanks for the explanation, makes sense I suppose. But will Kobe sit out the entire next season or will he play as soon as he's medically cleared? From the looks of it Kobe will try to recover and play by the start of next season. But with your explanation I can see why Rose isn't playing and I think it's pretty wise somewhat. I'm impressed that he hasn't been pressured by fans into playing thus far. I just feel that if he is an intense competitor as people make him out to be, he wouldn't be sitting on the sidelines watching his team in the playoffs. Jamal Crawford ooowning. edit: I don't dislike Rose or anything, just questioning his drive and competitive spirit. He still has a long career ahead of him and I can understand what he means by not being ready to play. Kobe's "competitive drive" also caused him to miss the playoffs by continuing to play despite injuring his leg/knee twice in THE SAME GAME before injuring his leg a third time. In this case I'd say Kobe's competitiveness was more detrimental than helpful. That's pretty results oriented. You might say that Derrick Rose's caution caused him to miss an entire season. Maybe Kobe didn't have to miss the playoffs (you'll never be able to prove it, either way,) but maybe Derrick Rose didn't have to miss the season. You'll never really know. And the majority of things I've read have said that an Achilles tear is not the result of fatigue or previous injury. I'm not defending Kobe or blaming Rose - but almost all players in the NBA play injured. When you watched Tim Duncan limp around in 2008-2011, it was brutal but no one said he hurt his team. I think when they say "previous injury" they don't mean "currently limping due to knee and foot injuries sustained less than 10 minutes ago yet still trying to play professional basketball", they mean previous injury. I think it would be hard to argue that chances of sustaining an injury aren't affected at all after JUST sustaining injuries. It's similar to the thing I was talking about with DRose- if you hurt your foot and knee you're going to limp/move differently to put less stress on those body parts, which put more on others- in this case, his achilles. He didn't suffer an injury during the Warrior's games did he? I never saw him leave the game. He hurt his leg twice and refused to come out of the game.
I'll download the game but I saw it live and don't remember anything like "he had to come out of the game."
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On April 23 2013 13:07 slyboogie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 13:05 DystopiaX wrote:On April 23 2013 13:05 slyboogie wrote:On April 23 2013 13:01 DystopiaX wrote:On April 23 2013 12:46 slyboogie wrote:On April 23 2013 12:40 DystopiaX wrote:On April 23 2013 12:32 dgsdm wrote:On April 23 2013 11:13 DystopiaX wrote:
Cleared medically and ready to play are 2 different things, as both Rose and his doctors stated when he was cleared.
There's no way to say for sure he'd be great, look at Shump he's been terrible. Plus if he's playing only 5 minutes you're only getting him there to get him on the floor and at this point that'd be detrimental to the team. And Kobe and Lebron never had to deal with a torn ACL, so comparing Rose to them is stupid. As a Bulls fan I'd much rather have him take his time and take the season off if it means that he gets the extra time to gain confidence in his knee so he doesn't try to "protect" it, land awkwardly, and injure something else. It's about the next 10 years, not this 1 playoffs. Thanks for the explanation, makes sense I suppose. But will Kobe sit out the entire next season or will he play as soon as he's medically cleared? From the looks of it Kobe will try to recover and play by the start of next season. But with your explanation I can see why Rose isn't playing and I think it's pretty wise somewhat. I'm impressed that he hasn't been pressured by fans into playing thus far. I just feel that if he is an intense competitor as people make him out to be, he wouldn't be sitting on the sidelines watching his team in the playoffs. Jamal Crawford ooowning. edit: I don't dislike Rose or anything, just questioning his drive and competitive spirit. He still has a long career ahead of him and I can understand what he means by not being ready to play. Kobe's "competitive drive" also caused him to miss the playoffs by continuing to play despite injuring his leg/knee twice in THE SAME GAME before injuring his leg a third time. In this case I'd say Kobe's competitiveness was more detrimental than helpful. That's pretty results oriented. You might say that Derrick Rose's caution caused him to miss an entire season. Maybe Kobe didn't have to miss the playoffs (you'll never be able to prove it, either way,) but maybe Derrick Rose didn't have to miss the season. You'll never really know. And the majority of things I've read have said that an Achilles tear is not the result of fatigue or previous injury. I'm not defending Kobe or blaming Rose - but almost all players in the NBA play injured. When you watched Tim Duncan limp around in 2008-2011, it was brutal but no one said he hurt his team. I think when they say "previous injury" they don't mean "currently limping due to knee and foot injuries sustained less than 10 minutes ago yet still trying to play professional basketball", they mean previous injury. I think it would be hard to argue that chances of sustaining an injury aren't affected at all after JUST sustaining injuries. It's similar to the thing I was talking about with DRose- if you hurt your foot and knee you're going to limp/move differently to put less stress on those body parts, which put more on others- in this case, his achilles. He didn't suffer an injury during the Warrior's games did he? I never saw him leave the game. He hurt his leg twice and refused to come out of the game. I'll download the game but I saw it live and don't remember anything like "he had to come out of the game."
He was noticably limping and the casters specifically mentioned he hurt himself twice previously before tearing his achilles.
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On April 23 2013 13:07 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 13:07 slyboogie wrote:On April 23 2013 13:05 DystopiaX wrote:On April 23 2013 13:05 slyboogie wrote:On April 23 2013 13:01 DystopiaX wrote:On April 23 2013 12:46 slyboogie wrote:On April 23 2013 12:40 DystopiaX wrote:On April 23 2013 12:32 dgsdm wrote:On April 23 2013 11:13 DystopiaX wrote:
Cleared medically and ready to play are 2 different things, as both Rose and his doctors stated when he was cleared.
There's no way to say for sure he'd be great, look at Shump he's been terrible. Plus if he's playing only 5 minutes you're only getting him there to get him on the floor and at this point that'd be detrimental to the team. And Kobe and Lebron never had to deal with a torn ACL, so comparing Rose to them is stupid. As a Bulls fan I'd much rather have him take his time and take the season off if it means that he gets the extra time to gain confidence in his knee so he doesn't try to "protect" it, land awkwardly, and injure something else. It's about the next 10 years, not this 1 playoffs. Thanks for the explanation, makes sense I suppose. But will Kobe sit out the entire next season or will he play as soon as he's medically cleared? From the looks of it Kobe will try to recover and play by the start of next season. But with your explanation I can see why Rose isn't playing and I think it's pretty wise somewhat. I'm impressed that he hasn't been pressured by fans into playing thus far. I just feel that if he is an intense competitor as people make him out to be, he wouldn't be sitting on the sidelines watching his team in the playoffs. Jamal Crawford ooowning. edit: I don't dislike Rose or anything, just questioning his drive and competitive spirit. He still has a long career ahead of him and I can understand what he means by not being ready to play. Kobe's "competitive drive" also caused him to miss the playoffs by continuing to play despite injuring his leg/knee twice in THE SAME GAME before injuring his leg a third time. In this case I'd say Kobe's competitiveness was more detrimental than helpful. That's pretty results oriented. You might say that Derrick Rose's caution caused him to miss an entire season. Maybe Kobe didn't have to miss the playoffs (you'll never be able to prove it, either way,) but maybe Derrick Rose didn't have to miss the season. You'll never really know. And the majority of things I've read have said that an Achilles tear is not the result of fatigue or previous injury. I'm not defending Kobe or blaming Rose - but almost all players in the NBA play injured. When you watched Tim Duncan limp around in 2008-2011, it was brutal but no one said he hurt his team. I think when they say "previous injury" they don't mean "currently limping due to knee and foot injuries sustained less than 10 minutes ago yet still trying to play professional basketball", they mean previous injury. I think it would be hard to argue that chances of sustaining an injury aren't affected at all after JUST sustaining injuries. It's similar to the thing I was talking about with DRose- if you hurt your foot and knee you're going to limp/move differently to put less stress on those body parts, which put more on others- in this case, his achilles. He didn't suffer an injury during the Warrior's games did he? I never saw him leave the game. He hurt his leg twice and refused to come out of the game. I'll download the game but I saw it live and don't remember anything like "he had to come out of the game." He was noticably limping and the casters specifically mentioned he hurt himself twice previously before tearing his achilles.
Haven't downloaded the game, but are you insinuating that he tore his Achilles Tendon because he was limping and hurt?
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Zbo a bit gimpy but he's walking on his own? We'll see.
EDIT: Whoa, Blake with a little kick eh? Durtay.
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The obligatory double foul.
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Double foul is such BS. Let them play.
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LMAO. It's not Clippers-Grizzlies without a double foul on Griffin and Randolph.
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Come on ZBo. Why would you reach in on Paul.
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Griffin has been such a lazy defender tonight.
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Damn. That was pretty from Grizz.
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On April 23 2013 12:54 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 12:51 dgsdm wrote:On April 23 2013 12:46 slyboogie wrote:On April 23 2013 12:40 DystopiaX wrote:On April 23 2013 12:32 dgsdm wrote:On April 23 2013 11:13 DystopiaX wrote:
Cleared medically and ready to play are 2 different things, as both Rose and his doctors stated when he was cleared.
There's no way to say for sure he'd be great, look at Shump he's been terrible. Plus if he's playing only 5 minutes you're only getting him there to get him on the floor and at this point that'd be detrimental to the team. And Kobe and Lebron never had to deal with a torn ACL, so comparing Rose to them is stupid. As a Bulls fan I'd much rather have him take his time and take the season off if it means that he gets the extra time to gain confidence in his knee so he doesn't try to "protect" it, land awkwardly, and injure something else. It's about the next 10 years, not this 1 playoffs. Thanks for the explanation, makes sense I suppose. But will Kobe sit out the entire next season or will he play as soon as he's medically cleared? From the looks of it Kobe will try to recover and play by the start of next season. But with your explanation I can see why Rose isn't playing and I think it's pretty wise somewhat. I'm impressed that he hasn't been pressured by fans into playing thus far. I just feel that if he is an intense competitor as people make him out to be, he wouldn't be sitting on the sidelines watching his team in the playoffs. Jamal Crawford ooowning. edit: I don't dislike Rose or anything, just questioning his drive and competitive spirit. He still has a long career ahead of him and I can understand what he means by not being ready to play. Kobe's "competitive drive" also caused him to miss the playoffs by continuing to play despite injuring his leg/knee twice in THE SAME GAME before injuring his leg a third time. In this case I'd say Kobe's competitiveness was more detrimental than helpful. That's pretty results oriented. You might say that Derrick Rose's caution caused him to miss an entire season. Maybe Kobe didn't have to miss the playoffs (you'll never be able to prove it, either way,) but maybe Derrick Rose didn't have to miss the season. You'll never really know. And the majority of things I've read have said that an Achilles tear is not the result of fatigue or previous injury. I'm not defending Kobe or blaming Rose - but almost all players in the NBA play injured. When you watched Tim Duncan limp around in 2008-2011, it was brutal but no one said he hurt his team. Wait so does that mean it was a freak injury? I thought/figured he tore his achilles because he was putting too much stress on his body. There's no way to know. It's often a freak injury, but stress can contribute to it.
Not just stress, but being tired as hell obviously affects your body movement and increases your chance of moving the wrong way.
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WOW.
Who says the Clippers can't play half court ball?!??!
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Yeah, that was some frenetic ball movement.
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