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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
December 09 2011 07:27 GMT
#381
I don't care what anyone says about other sports, NOTHING beats the NBA off season and NBA trade deadline. Always some crazy shit going down.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Serendipityx
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States595 Posts
December 09 2011 07:50 GMT
#382
On December 09 2011 16:08 Ace wrote:
haha holy hell

http://lockerz.com/s/163281471

Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 16:07 ChaosTriggeR wrote:
You can't honestly believe the Rockets are better off not making the trade. They already tried this roster for the last two years and all it has netted them is 2 straight number 14 picks and they will continue to stay that way unless they did something about it. Without this trade all they probably would've gotten was samuel dalambert in free agency, rolling out with lowry, martin, scola, dalambert, budinger is still going to get them maybe an 8th seed. With gasol and someone else like a nene the whole gameplan changes and they can stop becoming a bad version of the suns from 5 years ago.


I'll keep this really simple since I've already explained why this trade is terrible for Houston hours ago.

Nene+Gasol+the rest of the Houston roster with no draft picks left. How far are they going?

Answer this first and then I'll educate you.


Lowry/flynn
lee/t-will
budinger/morris/patterson
gasol/patterson
nene/hill/thabeet

Yea I mean clearly theres no roster. Yea sure the bench is young but honestly how good they can be was left a question mark the entire season last year cause Adelman made it pretty clear hes not into developing young players considering how little he played some of them last season. Patterson showed good signs and hill can be up and down. Terrence williams is a complete mystery cause the only time we saw him was during garbage time and I trust flynn to a certain extent since Morey has had him on high regards since the year he was drafted and overall Morey's draft picks are pretty solid considering where hes drafted. As for your doubts about Courtney Lee replacing Kevin Martin, I trust lee to make up for Martin's scoring in his defense. No I'm not insinuating that Houston was going to be the 4th seed in the west or something, I'm saying its a shift from the 105.9ppg no defense rockets into a more defensive minded team since they actually have some post presence and can put Lee on the other teams best player. Also if Lowry can't be relied on to score more then you clearly didn't see his string of games in March last season where he proved hes a capable starter. I mean in an overall level, look at Daryl Morey's trade history and tell me where hes made some blatantly bad trades. He got scola essentially for nothing, turned Donte greene into artest, got rid of alston to get Lowry, turned Carl Landry into Kevin Martin, got something out of nothing for t-mac. Think about the situation he was in, he became gm having to deal with t-mac and yao's bloated contracts and essentially was forced to build around two fragile stars which he did. If you put a healthy superstar t-mac onto the roster that took the Lakers to 7 games, theres a pretty good chance the Rockets win that series and go on to win the title that year. If Morey didn't have a plan after this trade or didn't like it he clearly wouldn't have agreed to it nor would the Lesley Alexander okay it either.
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
December 09 2011 08:09 GMT
#383
How is Lowry going to put up the same numbers when his back court is taking a notable offensive downgrade? How can he get those assists when its Lee shooting not Martin? How can he abuse the floor spacing when the defenders around Chase and Lee are closing in on Lowry? You're talking about how the Rockets can now play both sides of the ball (in theory that is) but how is Lowry a 6'0" guard going to guard the elite PGs in Westbrook and Paul? You can simply slide Lee to cover these guards, as the shooting guards on these respective teams are just as likely to light it up as the PGs. Its not that Lowry can't go on a tear, he certainly did, and certainly can, but the question comes, how productive can he be once the coaching and overall talent level of the team drop? Enough to shoulder what Kevin Martin was doing last season? Doubt it. Martin was also going on absolute tears during those games, 18/18 from the FT was not a rare stat to see when looking at nightly boxscores.
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igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
December 09 2011 08:21 GMT
#384
They offered New York's draft pick not there on I thought. I don't know if they traded that already. Edit: nets have it

The rockets roster is a bunch of above average players, although I'd wonder if older gasol is that much better than scola/martin combined. Houston spending the last however many years trying to stockpile assets then just bottoming out would be stupid. That would make much more sense if they had a ton of young players who could lose while developing (like the clippers).

Double Gasols would be much more interested than Nene Gasol. First, they'd both be more likely to stay (would be more relevant if Marc wasn't restricted). Second, they're the core of the spanish national team that almost beat the 2008 dream team, and destroyed people this summer.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 09:36:47
December 09 2011 08:43 GMT
#385
On December 09 2011 16:50 ChaosTriggeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 16:08 Ace wrote:
haha holy hell

http://lockerz.com/s/163281471

On December 09 2011 16:07 ChaosTriggeR wrote:
You can't honestly believe the Rockets are better off not making the trade. They already tried this roster for the last two years and all it has netted them is 2 straight number 14 picks and they will continue to stay that way unless they did something about it. Without this trade all they probably would've gotten was samuel dalambert in free agency, rolling out with lowry, martin, scola, dalambert, budinger is still going to get them maybe an 8th seed. With gasol and someone else like a nene the whole gameplan changes and they can stop becoming a bad version of the suns from 5 years ago.


I'll keep this really simple since I've already explained why this trade is terrible for Houston hours ago.

Nene+Gasol+the rest of the Houston roster with no draft picks left. How far are they going?

Answer this first and then I'll educate you.


Lowry/flynn
lee/t-will
budinger/morris/patterson
gasol/patterson
nene/hill/thabeet

Yea I mean clearly theres no roster. Yea sure the bench is young but honestly how good they can be was left a question mark the entire season last year cause Adelman made it pretty clear hes not into developing young players considering how little he played some of them last season. Patterson showed good signs and hill can be up and down. Terrence williams is a complete mystery cause the only time we saw him was during garbage time and I trust flynn to a certain extent since Morey has had him on high regards since the year he was drafted and overall Morey's draft picks are pretty solid considering where hes drafted. As for your doubts about Courtney Lee replacing Kevin Martin, I trust lee to make up for Martin's scoring in his defense. No I'm not insinuating that Houston was going to be the 4th seed in the west or something, I'm saying its a shift from the 105.9ppg no defense rockets into a more defensive minded team since they actually have some post presence and can put Lee on the other teams best player. Also if Lowry can't be relied on to score more then you clearly didn't see his string of games in March last season where he proved hes a capable starter. I mean in an overall level, look at Daryl Morey's trade history and tell me where hes made some blatantly bad trades. He got scola essentially for nothing, turned Donte greene into artest, got rid of alston to get Lowry, turned Carl Landry into Kevin Martin, got something out of nothing for t-mac. Think about the situation he was in, he became gm having to deal with t-mac and yao's bloated contracts and essentially was forced to build around two fragile stars which he did. If you put a healthy superstar t-mac onto the roster that took the Lakers to 7 games, theres a pretty good chance the Rockets win that series and go on to win the title that year. If Morey didn't have a plan after this trade or didn't like it he clearly wouldn't have agreed to it nor would the Lesley Alexander okay it either.


That's nice. Now answer the question: Where are they going?.



Think about the situation he was in, he became gm having to deal with t-mac and yao's bloated contracts and essentially was forced to build around two fragile stars which he did. If you put a healthy superstar t-mac onto the roster that took the Lakers to 7 games, theres a pretty good chance the Rockets win that series and go on to win the title that year



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Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
December 09 2011 09:20 GMT
#386
This league just lost any credibility it might have had.

secret - never again
VENDIZ
Profile Joined October 2010
1575 Posts
December 09 2011 10:45 GMT
#387
Like Ace said, few things are as amusing to follow as the NBA off-season! All this drama, and the public brawl for D12 hasn't reached full force yet ;D

Nice to see the thread picking up speed, a bit of a shame that it seems to be the 7-8 same guys though, wish there were more basketball fans on TL (I know, TL isn't exactly the mecca for NBA die-hards) :D
SaGe fighting!!~~~~~~
Tyree
Profile Joined November 2010
1508 Posts
December 09 2011 10:50 GMT
#388
A big nasty black eye for the NBA

Man, imagine being in that Laker locker room as the team heads back to training this very day (friday)? It could ruin their entire season very easily

NO also get screwed as now they wont get a damn thing for CP3, who will either sign for Lakers or Knicks come summer next year.

So all this does is ruin the next season for NO, current Laker season, make Stern look like a even bigger idiot than anything before it, hurt the credibility of the NBA and overall achieves nothing.
★ Top Gun ★
loafster
Profile Joined August 2011
United States16 Posts
December 09 2011 11:24 GMT
#389
Stern strikes back with an iron fist. So CP3 walks and Hornets lose out... good management NBA. Any criticism they might have gotten with the trade going through wouldn't have been as bad as it will be now.

Granger Twitter:
Due to the sabotaging of the LA/NO trade by david stern, and following in the footsteps of my athlete brethern Metta World Peace and Chad Ochocinco, I’m changing my last name to “Stern’s Bi#&h” #effectiveimmediately

Jason Richardson offered the following:
Once again Buck Nasty a.k.a Dan Gilbert is letting his wrath being felt by being the main voice in the CP trade block.

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Engore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1916 Posts
December 09 2011 11:35 GMT
#390
Wow. Lolzzzzzzzzz Stern. So bad. I hate this guy..
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
December 09 2011 15:47 GMT
#391
Wow, Brandon Roy retiring http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7335092/brandon-roy-portland-trail-blazers-retire-due-knees-sources-say
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
December 09 2011 16:29 GMT
#392
I feel sooo bad for Portland wtffff (and B Roy) . I don't think even the clippers have had as much bad luck
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TealLurker
Profile Joined June 2008
United States791 Posts
December 09 2011 16:30 GMT
#393
On December 10 2011 00:47 Southlight wrote:
Wow, Brandon Roy retiring http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7335092/brandon-roy-portland-trail-blazers-retire-due-knees-sources-say

It sucks that he basically became our generation's version of Bill Walton. I'm gonna miss him on the court.
GARO
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2255 Posts
December 09 2011 16:32 GMT
#394
Oh God Dwighhttt to the Nets soon please
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32091 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 16:49:23
December 09 2011 16:47 GMT
#395
I don't follow the nba too much til playoffs, but why in the hell was that trade blocked?? Since when does the NBA block GMs from being stupid?

On December 09 2011 14:45 RowdierBob wrote:
Haha, than Dan Gilbert email is awesome. In full here for the lazy:

Show nested quote +
Commissioner,

It would be a travesty to allow the Lakers to acquire Chris Paul in the apparent trade being discussed.

This trade should go to a vote of the 29 owners of the Hornets.

Over the next three seasons this deal would save the Lakers approximately $20 million in salaries and approximately $21 million in luxury taxes. That $21 million goes to non-taxpaying teams and to fund revenue sharing.

I cannot remember ever seeing a trade where a team got by far the best player in the trade and saved over $40 million in the process. And it doesn’t appear that they would give up any draft picks, which might allow to later make a trade for Dwight Howard. (They would also get a large trade exception that would help them improve their team and/or eventually trade for Howard.) When the Lakers got Pau Gasol (at the time considered an extremely lopsided trade) they took on tens of millions in additional salary and luxury tax and they gave up a number of prospects (one in Marc Gasol who may become a max-salary player).

I just don’t see how we can allow this trade to happen.

I know the vast majority of owners feel the same way that I do.

When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?

Please advise….

Dan G.


My first thought: Was this written in Cosmic Sans??
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 16:50:39
December 09 2011 16:49 GMT
#396
They never do, which is why it's amazing so many people are in an uproar about it. Idiots like Bill Simmons are actually riling people up about this. They are the same guys that criticize the league for allowing GMs to make bad moves and now they are taking the other side of the issue like they always do. Such hypocrites.

and now Orlando is filing tampering charges against 2 teams for illegally contacting Dwight Howard. The fuck?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
jtbem
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada1404 Posts
December 09 2011 16:49 GMT
#397
Blazers training staff is a mess, way too many injuries, clearing players to play too early and making shit worse
aka Sowelulol
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
December 09 2011 16:58 GMT
#398
So as usual delusional Knicks fan strikes again. I've just been informed that Tyson Chandler is a top 5 Center in the NBA and deserves near max money. According to Knicks fans he is worth 15million a year because "of what he did last year" and will turn them into a contender.

Yes, the Knicks are saying Tyson Chandler is worth Wade/Lebron money.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Koenig99
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada904 Posts
December 09 2011 17:43 GMT
#399
On December 10 2011 00:47 Southlight wrote:
Wow, Brandon Roy retiring http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7335092/brandon-roy-portland-trail-blazers-retire-due-knees-sources-say

Was a great player, but took an arrow to the knee.
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
December 09 2011 17:57 GMT
#400
Damn that sucks for Roy.

I love this whole Hornets fiasco. Let's not let the small market team get some good players and make sure they get nothing next year when he can just leave.
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