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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
July 13 2016 21:55 GMT
#21261
I'm happy today that I haven't used these at any point.

Tears will flow.

It's finally time though. Most skin betting sites were already shady, but the gambling ones...
LiquipediaWanderer
iXphobos
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1465 Posts
July 14 2016 08:23 GMT
#21262
On July 14 2016 05:32 Kipsate wrote:
Gambling =/ betting I believe

also wonder what is going to happen to stuff like OPskins.

Betting is also dead.
They clearly mention "automated Steam accounts" (read: Bots). And without Bots you can't handle the bets.
I know Bots have been illegal from the start and Valve always tolerated them without doing anything, but now that they incuded them in this official statement they have to (and i'm pretty sure they will) ban the usage of Bots.
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
July 14 2016 10:20 GMT
#21263
This is so golden, CSGOwild has "problems" with the cash out and just today added to their ToS:

"CSGOWild is not responsible for the loss of your Skins as a result of a third-parties including Steam."

Some of these sites already started cashing out via OPSkins (you see alot of high value skins being put up in packets of a few).
Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
July 14 2016 12:03 GMT
#21264
On July 14 2016 19:20 Clonester wrote:
This is so golden, CSGOwild has "problems" with the cash out and just today added to their ToS:

"CSGOWild is not responsible for the loss of your Skins as a result of a third-parties including Steam."

Some of these sites already started cashing out via OPSkins (you see alot of high value skins being put up in packets of a few).


the rats are jumping off the sinking ship
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-14 14:36:29
July 14 2016 14:35 GMT
#21265
can i finally get a cheap ak fire serpent?

edit: holy shit the prices are plummeting

dlore for ~$800?
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Nagisama
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada4481 Posts
July 14 2016 17:28 GMT
#21266
Rip my skins.
Calendar"Everyone who has accomplished more than you has no life; Everyone who has accomplished less than you is a noob." | Elem: "nagi is actually really smart"
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
July 14 2016 17:52 GMT
#21267
Cheap skins on my smurf, yes please.
Steam: rook492
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
July 14 2016 17:53 GMT
#21268
SELL SELL SELL
Nagisama
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada4481 Posts
July 14 2016 18:50 GMT
#21269
just looked at my inventory, not sure what's the stuff that's dropping since my fire serpent, karabit/huntsman knives are still about the same price
Calendar"Everyone who has accomplished more than you has no life; Everyone who has accomplished less than you is a noob." | Elem: "nagi is actually really smart"
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
July 15 2016 09:59 GMT
#21270
On July 14 2016 17:23 iXphobos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2016 05:32 Kipsate wrote:
Gambling =/ betting I believe

also wonder what is going to happen to stuff like OPskins.

Betting is also dead.
They clearly mention "automated Steam accounts" (read: Bots). And without Bots you can't handle the bets.
I know Bots have been illegal from the start and Valve always tolerated them without doing anything, but now that they incuded them in this official statement they have to (and i'm pretty sure they will) ban the usage of Bots.


They also do mention that they target gambling, and that they will handle this with the websites, asking them to stop using it.

So some betting sites could effectively remain untouched.
LiquipediaWanderer
HugoBallzak
Profile Joined November 2015
700 Posts
July 15 2016 13:43 GMT
#21271
If this wasn't allowed by the steam ToS then why did valve let this even get to the point that it did? They supposedly hired the top Greek economist as a consultant to help implement and manage their in-game economies yet they never once thought that there would be tons of people trying to take advantage of it and scam tons of users out of their artificially rare and expensive digital items? They even banned a few csgo teams from playing because of this kind of stuff so it is not like they didn't know this was going on. Why did it take over 2 years for them to enforce their own rules?
Kaiwa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2209 Posts
July 15 2016 13:44 GMT
#21272
Simple. It made them shitloads of money and helped the game grow. They were never under actual legal pressure, now that it's finally come up they are forced to act and distance themselves.
시크릿 / 씨스타 / 에이핑크 / 윤하 / 가비앤제이
HugoBallzak
Profile Joined November 2015
700 Posts
July 15 2016 13:54 GMT
#21273
I get that. I just think it is super hypocritical of valve. To them its fine to sit around and benefit from a bunch of shady shit on a massive scale for years but a few pro players try and do the same for a couple hundred or thousand in 'skins' and they are banned for life when there was no legal pressure to do so. Just saying that valve should take a lot of responsibility for the consequences of their inaction on this matter for so long yet no one seems to care.
iXphobos
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1465 Posts
July 15 2016 14:01 GMT
#21274
Money >>> responsibility
HugoBallzak
Profile Joined November 2015
700 Posts
July 15 2016 14:07 GMT
#21275
I also get that. That is why people like m0e and whoever else was scamming people out of skins did what they did. But why is valve any different? Why does the community seem content with dragging a few personalities through the coals for their involvement but not the organization that has benefitted the most. How is valve's sudden awakening on the matter any different than m0e going on the richard lewis show to suddenly try and distance himself from any responsibility for his actions?
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
July 15 2016 14:10 GMT
#21276
On July 15 2016 22:54 HugoBallzak wrote:
I get that. I just think it is super hypocritical of valve. To them its fine to sit around and benefit from a bunch of shady shit on a massive scale for years but a few pro players try and do the same for a couple hundred or thousand in 'skins' and they are banned for life when there was no legal pressure to do so. Just saying that valve should take a lot of responsibility for the consequences of their inaction on this matter for so long yet no one seems to care.


It is. They're shutting this down now only because of the recent heat with the scandals and the lawsuits (even if they won't necessarily succeed).
LiquipediaWanderer
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
July 15 2016 15:25 GMT
#21277
I like how anytime valve does anything IBP comes up again.
WriterXiao8~~
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-15 15:33:12
July 15 2016 15:33 GMT
#21278
On July 16 2016 00:25 Kipsate wrote:
I like how anytime valve does anything IBP comes up again.


IBP will always be the rallying cry for salty NA scrubs whenever Valves moral responsibilities are questioned. Valve kinda put themselves in that spot though.
HugoBallzak
Profile Joined November 2015
700 Posts
July 15 2016 16:07 GMT
#21279
And anytime IBP comes up there will always be salty non-NA scrubs who want to salt the wounds. I didn't specifically mention IBP though, there are other teams that received bans that I don't agree with either. Amazing to me that valve hasn't come out and banned m0e even though he is the GM of a csgo pro team with major aspirations.
Nixer
Profile Joined July 2011
2774 Posts
July 18 2016 01:06 GMT
#21280
Summit CS:GO might be a thing.
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