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ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-21 11:57:43
April 21 2016 11:57 GMT
#21101
On the other hand unless Guardian's hands get permanently crippled I don't see him having a chance to get on navi right now
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
April 21 2016 12:04 GMT
#21102
It could be just that he wants to play in Europe and be close to his family and GF, guy is 19/20

people might be searching too much into this.
WriterXiao8~~
HugoBallzak
Profile Joined November 2015
700 Posts
April 21 2016 13:08 GMT
#21103
On April 21 2016 21:04 Kipsate wrote:
It could be just that he wants to play in Europe and be close to his family and GF, guy is 19/20

people might be searching too much into this.


I don't think so. He has no solid offers from EU teams afaik. He is on a legend status team that is also set to compete in a 3.5 million league and a 1.2 million league in the next few months. He would be basically throwing away a shit ton of money to sit at home in the Ukraine. He must have gotten really nasty at Malmo and liquid must have decided its not worth it.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
April 21 2016 13:22 GMT
#21104
On April 21 2016 22:08 HugoBallzak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 21:04 Kipsate wrote:
It could be just that he wants to play in Europe and be close to his family and GF, guy is 19/20

people might be searching too much into this.


I don't think so. He has no solid offers from EU teams afaik. He is on a legend status team that is also set to compete in a 3.5 million league and a 1.2 million league in the next few months. He would be basically throwing away a shit ton of money to sit at home in the Ukraine. He must have gotten really nasty at Malmo and liquid must have decided its not worth it.


Once again, this isn't backed by any fact. Just suppositions.

Unless any reliable source prove otherwise, he's the one who made the move.
LiquipediaWanderer
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-21 13:30:10
April 21 2016 13:26 GMT
#21105
On April 21 2016 22:08 HugoBallzak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 21:04 Kipsate wrote:
It could be just that he wants to play in Europe and be close to his family and GF, guy is 19/20

people might be searching too much into this.


I don't think so. He has no solid offers from EU teams afaik. He is on a legend status team that is also set to compete in a 3.5 million league and a 1.2 million league in the next few months. He would be basically throwing away a shit ton of money to sit at home in the Ukraine. He must have gotten really nasty at Malmo and liquid must have decided its not worth it.

I really don't understand this reasoning.

Why would you go so far to search for a reason, when the most obvious one is right in front of you?
It was quite obvious looking at his stream and previous statements that he was really unhappy living in the US. Why do people underestimate being away from your home for so long when you are 19/20 and thrown into a teamhouse with LoL players that you don't know. Why do you feel the need to guess stuff that might or might not have happened just because you are so fixated on S1mple being a toxis player that had to be fired.

I am not saying the decision to let him go was not helped by the fact that there were problems with him, but you really can't guess from that, that Liquid "decided its not worth it". Liquid losing s1mple is bad for Liquid, period. But keeping him against his will would be even worse.
HugoBallzak
Profile Joined November 2015
700 Posts
April 21 2016 13:37 GMT
#21106
On April 21 2016 22:26 Roggay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2016 22:08 HugoBallzak wrote:
On April 21 2016 21:04 Kipsate wrote:
It could be just that he wants to play in Europe and be close to his family and GF, guy is 19/20

people might be searching too much into this.


I don't think so. He has no solid offers from EU teams afaik. He is on a legend status team that is also set to compete in a 3.5 million league and a 1.2 million league in the next few months. He would be basically throwing away a shit ton of money to sit at home in the Ukraine. He must have gotten really nasty at Malmo and liquid must have decided its not worth it.

I really don't understand this reasoning.

Why would you go so far to search for a reason, when the most obvious one is right in front of you?
It was quite obvious looking at his stream and previous statements that he was really unhappy living in the US. Why do people underestimate being away from your home for so long when you are 19/20 and thrown into a teamhouse with LoL players that you don't know. Why do you feel the need to guess stuff that might or might not have happened just because you are so fixated on S1mple being a toxis player that had to be fired.

I am not saying the decision to let him go was not helped by the fact that there were problems with him, but you really can't guess from that, that Liquid "decided its not worth it". Liquid losing s1mple is bad for Liquid, period. But keeping him against his will would be even worse.


I am not doubting he was homesick, but I think it was made worse by what appears to have been contentious team practices, as stated by Hiko in interviews and as demonstrated in their match against tyloo at Malmo. Either way its not a good look for s1mple and really sucks for liquid now that their roster is back to square one. What EU team is going to pick up a known 'quitter'? Dude is like the naniwa of cs without any of the tournament wins. I still think if valve had allowed koosta to play the major that things would have turned out better. You simply cant build team chemistry with a different team for every tournament.
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7107 Posts
April 21 2016 14:50 GMT
#21107
I dunno, i think at some point Liquid would've gotten sick of simple anyways. Hes just way too toxic and does dumb shit that it can cost his team much.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-21 15:41:34
April 21 2016 15:26 GMT
#21108
I find it hilarious that some people are extrapolating basically the following from what was a very clear statement

"Simple was homesick" = "Simple is a quitter. nobody wants quitters."

"Simple is toxic, Liquid is sick of him" = "referring to a footnote in the announcement that may not even had anything to do with his attitude but more to do with how he would fit role wise in the team with Koosta the dedicated awp and also the logistical issues of actually keeping him in the US. Considering a packed summer coming up it may be to late to get him back in."

/facepalm. Maybe its really just as Simple (excuse the pun) as he didnt want to stay and liquid had enough reasons to allow him to leave. It happens all the time and thats what I got from the announcement. Thats all that needs to be read into this. Hes still a kid, kids get homesick, kids get lonely. Its kind of a dick thing to sit there and comment on how he should be making rational decisions for his career when most people here were partying it up with family and friends.



+ Show Spoiler +
Personally regarding the second point. I live in the US for 10 i(ncluding college)years and then fucked off to Canada in May las year, because a stupid lottery would not extend my work authorization. And its not like I was working at a Deli. I was working for the Government in DC at the end of my stay. For people who dont have relatively open travel to the US it might be hard to understand this but I have filled out probably filled out more visa forms and attached more supporting docs than nearly every European or American in this thread combined. The applications have to be crafted ina certain way, in this case they might need to lawyer up. All of these can be done and done easily but its still cumbersome and for someone who doesnt even want to be there. Its not worth it.

/endrand



Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
April 21 2016 16:12 GMT
#21109
lol ESL expanded its rules which convieniently lets VP back in through a different way.
WriterXiao8~~
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-21 16:22:52
April 21 2016 16:14 GMT
#21110
On April 22 2016 01:12 Kipsate wrote:
lol ESL expanded its rules which convieniently lets VP back in through a different way.


kinda yeah.. but they arent the sole beneficiary's I dont think a change this big would be just because VP is bottom. It probably helped though. Hi Carmac

http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/cs-go/503814-esl-esea-season-3?page=16#309
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7107 Posts
April 21 2016 18:23 GMT
#21111
On April 22 2016 00:26 Rebs wrote:
I find it hilarious that some people are extrapolating basically the following from what was a very clear statement

"Simple was homesick" = "Simple is a quitter. nobody wants quitters."

"Simple is toxic, Liquid is sick of him" = "referring to a footnote in the announcement that may not even had anything to do with his attitude but more to do with how he would fit role wise in the team with Koosta the dedicated awp and also the logistical issues of actually keeping him in the US. Considering a packed summer coming up it may be to late to get him back in."

/facepalm. Maybe its really just as Simple (excuse the pun) as he didnt want to stay and liquid had enough reasons to allow him to leave. It happens all the time and thats what I got from the announcement. Thats all that needs to be read into this. Hes still a kid, kids get homesick, kids get lonely. Its kind of a dick thing to sit there and comment on how he should be making rational decisions for his career when most people here were partying it up with family and friends.



+ Show Spoiler +
Personally regarding the second point. I live in the US for 10 i(ncluding college)years and then fucked off to Canada in May las year, because a stupid lottery would not extend my work authorization. And its not like I was working at a Deli. I was working for the Government in DC at the end of my stay. For people who dont have relatively open travel to the US it might be hard to understand this but I have filled out probably filled out more visa forms and attached more supporting docs than nearly every European or American in this thread combined. The applications have to be crafted ina certain way, in this case they might need to lawyer up. All of these can be done and done easily but its still cumbersome and for someone who doesnt even want to be there. Its not worth it.

/endrand




I never said that that WAS the case. Im just saying, even if simple wasn't homesick there would be a good chance that Liquid would eventually get tired of his shit. Honestly, im not that sad for Liquid in this situation.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
April 21 2016 18:49 GMT
#21112
On April 22 2016 03:23 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 00:26 Rebs wrote:
I find it hilarious that some people are extrapolating basically the following from what was a very clear statement

"Simple was homesick" = "Simple is a quitter. nobody wants quitters."

"Simple is toxic, Liquid is sick of him" = "referring to a footnote in the announcement that may not even had anything to do with his attitude but more to do with how he would fit role wise in the team with Koosta the dedicated awp and also the logistical issues of actually keeping him in the US. Considering a packed summer coming up it may be to late to get him back in."

/facepalm. Maybe its really just as Simple (excuse the pun) as he didnt want to stay and liquid had enough reasons to allow him to leave. It happens all the time and thats what I got from the announcement. Thats all that needs to be read into this. Hes still a kid, kids get homesick, kids get lonely. Its kind of a dick thing to sit there and comment on how he should be making rational decisions for his career when most people here were partying it up with family and friends.



+ Show Spoiler +
Personally regarding the second point. I live in the US for 10 i(ncluding college)years and then fucked off to Canada in May las year, because a stupid lottery would not extend my work authorization. And its not like I was working at a Deli. I was working for the Government in DC at the end of my stay. For people who dont have relatively open travel to the US it might be hard to understand this but I have filled out probably filled out more visa forms and attached more supporting docs than nearly every European or American in this thread combined. The applications have to be crafted ina certain way, in this case they might need to lawyer up. All of these can be done and done easily but its still cumbersome and for someone who doesnt even want to be there. Its not worth it.

/endrand




I never said that that WAS the case. Im just saying, even if simple wasn't homesick there would be a good chance that Liquid would eventually get tired of his shit. Honestly, im not that sad for Liquid in this situation.


No I didnt mean you specifically. I just meant generally for people who are making that assumption. As for you, yes that may have been the case, but it didnt look all that bad tbh.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-22 00:26:49
April 22 2016 00:18 GMT
#21113
On my screen Inferno is out of the competitive pool and Nuke is in

fuck this game.

WriterXiao8~~
Nagisama
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada4481 Posts
April 22 2016 00:29 GMT
#21114
rip TL's dreams forever engraved into the map.

http://i.imgur.com/ii62vQh.jpg
Calendar"Everyone who has accomplished more than you has no life; Everyone who has accomplished less than you is a noob." | Elem: "nagi is actually really smart"
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
April 22 2016 00:45 GMT
#21115


Markeloff knows
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Genjimaru
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada515 Posts
April 22 2016 00:49 GMT
#21116
Can't say I like the new nuke at all. Sad to see inferno out.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-22 01:15:42
April 22 2016 01:15 GMT
#21117
Inferno being out hits a lot of teams
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
April 22 2016 02:00 GMT
#21118
I'd rather Dust get removed, Inferno is a fun map, D2 is just shit. Granted, I dislike Nuke as well.
Steam: rook492
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-22 02:05:26
April 22 2016 02:04 GMT
#21119
I havent played the new nuke, or the GO nuke, was already out of rotation when I started, but i have fond memories of 1.6 nuke.

Personally the inferno in GO is pretty shit. To much environment, and CODlike for my taste in addition to some issues with how they setup the sites, But thats just preferance.
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
April 22 2016 02:38 GMT
#21120
On April 22 2016 11:04 Rebs wrote:
I havent played the new nuke, or the GO nuke, was already out of rotation when I started, but i have fond memories of 1.6 nuke.

Personally the inferno in GO is pretty shit. To much environment, and CODlike for my taste in addition to some issues with how they setup the sites, But thats just preferance.


give me 1.6 version of nuke and simplify all the damn plants and shit. i hate the current way of decorating maps
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