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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
December 18 2015 01:37 GMT
#20281
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
December 18 2015 08:54 GMT
#20282
On December 18 2015 09:53 Souma wrote: Show nested quote + On December 18 2015 09:22 Nixer wrote: On December 18 2015 07:19 Souma wrote: I think the whole notion that fans should always be supportive of their team is silly. If the organization is constantly failing or ignores the wishes of the fans then it's absolutely fine for fans to get mad. I'm not saying Liquid is currently at that point yet but blind support could actually lead organizations to get complacent and you don't want that either. I for one would never support the Cleveland Browns. I think the whole notion that orgs should always listen to their fans is silly. Problem with listening to your fans wishes, if that's what you really mean, is that the average fan most likely has no fucking idea of how the team works and its inner workings. There's ways to express your so called concerns without acting like an overreacting obnoxious fool and if you're unable to do so then don't fucking do it. Never said the organization has to always listen to the fans, but if say a GM or coach has quite obviously failed for an extended period of time in real sports, fans are entitled to ask for their head. And yes, sometimes it is quite obvious for the average fan to know when a certain person is failing. I also don't think people should be expected to not vent their frustrations. No, I think sometimes people need to be angry and obnoxious to get organizations to actually listen, re: Valve. So fill forums and social media with hate because hey, sometimes it actually is the only thing you can do to get organizations to change their ways when they otherwise wouldn't. Show nested quote + On December 18 2015 09:19 Rebs wrote: Yeah, I dont see any of them saying teams should be unconditionally supported. Hard to speak for people on a topic when they arent saying something. Hence the use of the word observation. Show nested quote + On December 18 2015 07:14 Miragee wrote: If they have bad times they need support and maybe advice, although the latter is difficult if you are not close to them. Lol, the overwhelming support commentary in support of TL CS GO just slapped me in the face so hard. The fact that you went digging a couple of pages looking for that says enough I think. Now you just need for him to spam it as many times as PTBL and your golden. Nevermind, I'll do it. "HOW CAN YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT KICKING ADREN ? If it wasnt for him there would be no TL.cs. He makes awesome youtube videos and guides the community. And is overall just a swell guy. I demand that all calls for Adren being removed be taken back immediately. As for JB Games, most of you were in diapers when GB James was top of NA counterstrike, those of us who really know the game know that results dont matter as long as we support our team unconditionally.' That is a call for unconditional support. Now you got something. | ||
Miragee
8509 Posts
December 18 2015 09:25 GMT
#20283
On December 18 2015 09:07 Souma wrote: Show nested quote + On December 18 2015 08:00 Miragee wrote: Getting mad is ok and throwing insults is not. Just because you are a fan you aren't entitled to be a jerk. I don't think people should ever be expected to not call players or teams bad. There's a limit but I don't think criticizing a player's or coach's ability is it. The limit is usually breached when they start becoming more personal (as is usually the case when people make fun of JW), tasteless (the stuff ESEA pulls at times) or totally off the mark (when ptbl says Robin should resign because, well... Robin is not at fault for the current state of the CS:GO team). But yes, ptbl does spam too much. I think we have a meeting point here. On December 18 2015 09:53 Souma wrote: Show nested quote + On December 18 2015 09:22 Nixer wrote: On December 18 2015 07:19 Souma wrote: I think the whole notion that fans should always be supportive of their team is silly. If the organization is constantly failing or ignores the wishes of the fans then it's absolutely fine for fans to get mad. I'm not saying Liquid is currently at that point yet but blind support could actually lead organizations to get complacent and you don't want that either. I for one would never support the Cleveland Browns. I think the whole notion that orgs should always listen to their fans is silly. Problem with listening to your fans wishes, if that's what you really mean, is that the average fan most likely has no fucking idea of how the team works and its inner workings. There's ways to express your so called concerns without acting like an overreacting obnoxious fool and if you're unable to do so then don't fucking do it. Never said the organization has to always listen to the fans, but if say a GM or coach has quite obviously failed for an extended period of time in real sports, fans are entitled to ask for their head. And yes, sometimes it is quite obvious for the average fan to know when a certain person is failing. I also don't think people should be expected to not vent their frustrations. No, I think sometimes people need to be angry and obnoxious to get organizations to actually listen, re: Valve. So fill forums and social media with hate because hey, sometimes it actually is the only thing you can do to get organizations to change their ways when they otherwise wouldn't. Show nested quote + On December 18 2015 09:19 Rebs wrote: Yeah, I dont see any of them saying teams should be unconditionally supported. Hard to speak for people on a topic when they arent saying something. Hence the use of the word observation. Show nested quote + On December 18 2015 07:14 Miragee wrote: If they have bad times they need support and maybe advice, although the latter is difficult if you are not close to them. That's not an example for unconditional support. Or maybe it is. Supporting doesn't mean to always sweettalk. Criticism is alway needed but, like always, you need constructive criticism not destructive one. Fans aren't entitled to demand to fire a person. They are entitled to suggest it supported by reasoning. I mean you said it yourself: Calling for someones head isn't fine. Yet you went all the way and supported the way people like pbtl are acting, excluding only the spam as being a bad thing. I can't help but feel that there is a little bit of double standards hidden in your posts. Now Vavle is on a whole different level. That's business and the community actions needed depend on how the company acts/reacts to a certain kind of behavior. It's very different from being a fan because as a fan you are supportive, in the first place, because of your own free will and you don't invest anything into it aside from your passion. It's also on a more personal level. Your support/hate is directly aimed at people. As for companies like valve, you are basically business partners and you are a customer and, therefore, you are more entitled to demand something depending on the product and marketing. Your demands also hit the company in general and not people directly. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
December 18 2015 11:23 GMT
#20284
On December 18 2015 10:37 Djzapz wrote: edit nvm We hit a rough patch... So many close games + Show Spoiler + ![]() close games are the best though. | ||
Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
December 18 2015 13:39 GMT
#20285
On December 18 2015 20:23 Kipsate wrote: Show nested quote + On December 18 2015 10:37 Djzapz wrote: edit nvm We hit a rough patch... So many close games + Show Spoiler + ![]() close games are the best though. Well yeah, almost feels like they fixed MM because all my recent games were evenly matched even though we're carrying 1-2 new players every game. Still, haven't been winning much. 3 ties and 2 16-14's in 8 games is crazy ![]() | ||
Thryd
86 Posts
December 18 2015 15:42 GMT
#20286
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abert77
United States0 Posts
December 19 2015 02:15 GMT
#20287
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Luolis
Finland7106 Posts
December 19 2015 15:03 GMT
#20288
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
December 19 2015 23:28 GMT
#20289
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tofucake
Hyrule19059 Posts
December 20 2015 02:16 GMT
#20290
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lastpuritan
United States540 Posts
December 20 2015 05:48 GMT
#20291
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Kaiwa
Netherlands2209 Posts
December 20 2015 07:17 GMT
#20292
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
December 20 2015 13:23 GMT
#20293
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porkRaven
United States953 Posts
December 20 2015 13:46 GMT
#20294
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yamato77
11589 Posts
December 20 2015 17:45 GMT
#20295
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Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
December 20 2015 18:22 GMT
#20296
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Luolis
Finland7106 Posts
December 20 2015 19:11 GMT
#20297
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Nagisama
Canada4481 Posts
December 21 2015 01:53 GMT
#20298
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
December 21 2015 02:54 GMT
#20299
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
December 21 2015 05:23 GMT
#20300
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