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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
December 05 2013 18:27 GMT
#12101
If you can I'd say try to party with somebody who has single target (and who can run hatred if you aren't).

I don't have too much else to say other than my friend with a thiefs torment clears faster than any other build i've ever seen bar none. Even in high maps. Its literally obscene. He carries a diamond flask for convenience coupled with PCoC. His only issue is ripping to... a lot of things lol. Phys reflect, ele reflect If my ~65% hatred is on, lightning thorns, etc. Even leapslam/chargers can give him some issues. Hatred + crit EK's has some real defensive applications though lol.
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-05 18:35:26
December 05 2013 18:32 GMT
#12102
On December 06 2013 03:27 Sn0_Man wrote:
If you can I'd say try to party with somebody who has single target (and who can run hatred if you aren't).

I don't have too much else to say other than my friend with a thiefs torment clears faster than any other build i've ever seen bar none. Even in high maps. Its literally obscene. He carries a diamond flask for convenience coupled with PCoC. His only issue is ripping to... a lot of things lol. Phys reflect, ele reflect If my ~65% hatred is on, lightning thorns, etc. Even leapslam/chargers can give him some issues. Hatred + crit EK's has some real defensive applications though lol.

Yeah, it's more of a softcore build I think. But with Thief's torment it might be enough Lgoh for Lightning Thorns. Though his dying might also be because he has no Life / Armor? Idk his build, there are some really suicidish builds out there with CoC. I personally try to reach 200% Life with any build plus preferable taking IR.

And so far I run Hatred + Grace and am almost maxed on res, only a 4 fire res missing. Though with Thief's Torment i'd need to put Hatred out and use Purity.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
December 05 2013 18:35 GMT
#12103
He has IR but his life total is not that high. Most of his gear is ass and he dumped all his currency on a burning discharger ( qual gems, 5L searing, etc).
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
December 05 2013 18:47 GMT
#12104
And bam I died, lol. That was shit. Shouldn't play with Windowed Fullscreen, my mouse macro bugged and I closed my browser instead of leaving the game when Alt F4ing while having a viper strike stack in catacombs, lol.

Well, can't say I'm too sad. The char was fun to play though, but not necessarily a hardcore build unless maybe with godlike equip! But even then, they say crit builds aren't viable at all in maps. Hmm now I need to see what I'll do, first of all setting back to fullscreen of course. Haha.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
December 05 2013 18:53 GMT
#12105
rippppp

The reason crit builds aren't map viable is reflect map mods. The damage is still fine. I think you can actually go life vaal pact with that build though, considering you are at IR (Should be 7 points i think).

I kinda want to play nemesis but a) I hate levelling and b) honestly theres too much bullshit in PoE.
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
December 05 2013 18:55 GMT
#12106
On December 06 2013 03:53 Sn0_Man wrote:
rippppp

The reason crit builds aren't map viable is reflect map mods. The damage is still fine. I think you can actually go life vaal pact with that build though, considering you are at IR (Should be 7 points i think).

I kinda want to play nemesis but a) I hate levelling and b) honestly theres too much bullshit in PoE.

Yeah, well, the build has lots of potential but Thief's Torment seems to be essential for sure. Vaal pact... maybe with a 6L so you can put in Life Leech for EK, but if you have just one EK in CoC I'd think the damage isn't that good.
Tennet
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1458 Posts
December 05 2013 19:08 GMT
#12107
I'm doing a Crit fireball build that focuses on doing high single target damage then prolifing the burn to do AoE. I should be safe on maps, right? Worst case is I carry a ruby flask with me for reflect, though I will probably run purity of fire.
"The harder it gets, the more you need to focus on the basics." - Seo Gyung Jong
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
December 05 2013 19:09 GMT
#12108
How much initial hit damage are we talking?

Regardless, ruby + PoF should be fine. You just wont be able to do -max ele reflect maps (which isn't that uncommon, I certainly can't).
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Tennet
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1458 Posts
December 05 2013 19:43 GMT
#12109
I don't know exactly how much, but the idea is to do enough to melt everything through burn. So I will need to crunch numbers or something to figure out roughly how much damage is needed to burn down a pack.
"The harder it gets, the more you need to focus on the basics." - Seo Gyung Jong
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-05 20:01:23
December 05 2013 19:59 GMT
#12110
We aren't called math of exile for nothing. Are you relying on critting to ignite or chance to ignite to ignite?

I'm going with a 5L like this: Fireball, Increased Burning, Ele Prolif, Fire Pen, (fastcast or leech).

Fireball at level 22 (searing touch) = 350-530 (440 average).
Fire pen = 10% increased @20 qual.
85 fire damage from searing touch (5% from perf).
60 spell/fire damage from teh tree (easy to go higher depending on build but still quite a few points).
400 crit multi
440 * (2.55) * (4) = around 4500 damage.

Lets say you hit 4 mobs with the explosion, thats 18000 fire damage being reflected @ 18%. 3200 fire damage coming back at you. Reduced by resists thats like 800 life lost without a ruby or purity. Not unmanageable assumint its NOT -max and you don't just pound a bunch of fireballs into them unecessarily.

Now, with fire pen and flammability, you could be doing like 175% dmg so actually losing like 1400 life from a single shot.

This is fairly worst-case scenario though, I think you are fine.

I guess if you hit like 15 mobs or something... (those hiding crabbies come to mind).
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Tennet
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1458 Posts
December 05 2013 20:25 GMT
#12111
I don't have time to fully elaborate all my thoughts and plans right now but to answer your question, I'm relying on crit to ignite because then the burn will be doing more since it scales off the hit that caused the ignite. I would more than likely use quality elemental weakness instead of flammability because it takes off more and currently I don't exactly recall if it is helpful or hurtful to this build to have ignite chance from the curse. Oh and I am going to run double curse, I do have a ring to run triple if i wanted. Which I'd either use temp chains for longer burn or vulnerability for 40% to DoT (don't remember if it was more or increased).
"The harder it gets, the more you need to focus on the basics." - Seo Gyung Jong
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-05 20:31:23
December 05 2013 20:28 GMT
#12112
Chance to ignite is still good, since it lets you scale burn if you don't crit. The highest burn is the one that applies so it cannot hurt only help.

Ele weakness over flam is fine though.

Qfireball is like 30% chance to ignite, and then qual IBD is another 10 (although 20qual each is rather a lot) so with prolif and crit chance its fairly safe to say you will ignite more or less every hit.

Conc effect would also be very strong I think? Or would that lower the prolif radius? Dunno...
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Tennet
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1458 Posts
December 05 2013 20:58 GMT
#12113
I am using conc effect right now, it does lower the prolif radius but the damage increase may be of value. However if I can stack other stuff then it would work well. I didn't actually think about stacking burn chance, which if it can proc enough i might drop crit on the tree in favor of other things.
"The harder it gets, the more you need to focus on the basics." - Seo Gyung Jong
Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
December 06 2013 00:31 GMT
#12114
I'm really afraid about how my upcoming dominus fight for my LA/frenzy ranger is gonna go. I'm about to hit IR so that'll help a lot with my tankiness (I have somewhere between 1k and 1.2k hp) but even with a staunching flask, I don't think that I can survive 2nd phase. Should I find a party? I keep looking at things I should upgrade but I don't even know how much that will help.
Chairman Mao tells us imperialist Dota is a paper tiger
Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-06 00:36:18
December 06 2013 00:33 GMT
#12115
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK.
Oh god fucking dammit.
I just forgot about my ranger after I took waypoint to gardens. Came back just in time to see myself die. Didn't think fast enough to press my seething health flask.
FUCK.
edit: I would have lived if I hadn't had my alternate bow switched. My quiver gave 37 max health and I had a good amount of health nodes.
I say again to you in the words of my father and my father's father:
FUCK.
Chairman Mao tells us imperialist Dota is a paper tiger
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
December 06 2013 00:34 GMT
#12116
On December 06 2013 00:21 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2013 16:15 udgnim wrote:
is Lvl 1 Cast when Damage Taken worth using?

Yes. Pesronally I use it with Enduring Cry/Immortal Call/Increased duration to avoid being burst down by physical damage (apart from 1-shots).
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2013 16:31 zergnewb wrote:
So I found a slower projectile speed gem yesterday, what sort of combination is it good for?

Absolutely nothing. No skills synergize with it.



spectral throw does
Teliko
Profile Joined January 2011
Ireland1044 Posts
December 06 2013 00:44 GMT
#12117
On December 06 2013 09:34 Skilledblob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 00:21 Sn0_Man wrote:
On December 05 2013 16:15 udgnim wrote:
is Lvl 1 Cast when Damage Taken worth using?

Yes. Pesronally I use it with Enduring Cry/Immortal Call/Increased duration to avoid being burst down by physical damage (apart from 1-shots).
On December 05 2013 16:31 zergnewb wrote:
So I found a slower projectile speed gem yesterday, what sort of combination is it good for?

Absolutely nothing. No skills synergize with it.



spectral throw does

Slower projectile speed on spectral throw means shorter travel distance, so it's still very difficult to make any use of it.
Add a drop of lavender to milk, leave town with an orange and pretend you're laughing at it.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
December 06 2013 00:46 GMT
#12118
On December 06 2013 09:33 Nocticate wrote:
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK.
Oh god fucking dammit.
I just forgot about my ranger after I took waypoint to gardens. Came back just in time to see myself die. Didn't think fast enough to press my seething health flask.
FUCK.
edit: I would have lived if I hadn't had my alternate bow switched. My quiver gave 37 max health and I had a good amount of health nodes.
I say again to you in the words of my father and my father's father:
FUCK.

RIP, sorry for your loss.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-06 01:14:21
December 06 2013 01:13 GMT
#12119
These are the gems & currency I've reep'd into SC lately:
[image loading]
That's not counting the ones still on my trapper whose name I like too much to delete.
There are also several uniques on the second page.
Chairman Mao tells us imperialist Dota is a paper tiger
esk
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-29 15:19:40
December 06 2013 01:32 GMT
#12120
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