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Tennet
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1458 Posts
November 19 2013 06:14 GMT
#11661
I'm planning on making a phys wander but the whole crit + ele prolif idea is really neat. It sounds pretty safe and is effective. Doing it with shock stacks would be pretty cool but it wouldn't kill anything when solo unless I use PS with LMP to clean up. I could always just do gem swaps for solo/party.

What I really want to do is supply charges and do good damage.. Maybe explore cast on crit. I'm not sure how exotic I want to get. All of this makes me want to explore other skill combinations instead of something super standard.
"The harder it gets, the more you need to focus on the basics." - Seo Gyung Jong
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-19 06:27:04
November 19 2013 06:26 GMT
#11662
On November 19 2013 13:50 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Best two uniques for the new descent? So many crazy options. I'm thinking lightning sword + the hat on a ST scion, but I'm guessing that is gonna be the most popular build and probably not worthwhile to play I'll probably roll bow ranger just cause it'll be fun. It'll only be cool if the projectile come back works with RoA somehow though.

While I'd prefer an Armor piece, I'm probably going to pick up the Gnarled Branch and go Ground Slam as ever. But I think they are adding lots of support gems, which is why the items are 3 links. And that's why I'd prefer a Armor piece, as the first decent lvl 8+ 2h weapon will already be slightly better probably.

But then the Iron Hat kind of blows. Rustic Sash has no sockets and is also kind of bad imo.

Also just died in the 2h solo and didn't feel like trying again.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 19 2013 07:04 GMT
#11663
On November 19 2013 15:14 Tennet wrote:
I'm planning on making a phys wander but the whole crit + ele prolif idea is really neat. It sounds pretty safe and is effective. Doing it with shock stacks would be pretty cool but it wouldn't kill anything when solo unless I use PS with LMP to clean up. I could always just do gem swaps for solo/party.

What I really want to do is supply charges and do good damage.. Maybe explore cast on crit. I'm not sure how exotic I want to get. All of this makes me want to explore other skill combinations instead of something super standard.


If you want to do cast on crit I think you have to play a low life Shav character that uses PA and that new hat. The gear requirements to get it up and running are way too steep to make it seem like a good idea to me though. Discharge is the best spell for it hands down if you want damage, but I'm not sure what you'd use to trigger it.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
November 19 2013 07:31 GMT
#11664
On November 19 2013 08:55 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 08:32 Senx wrote:
Amazing game, died on two lvl 50 + nemesis chars already but the game is still great. Keep trying new specs.

Finally a complex and rewarding hack and slash game. D3 was the biggest dissapointment i've witnessed in my gaming life

Anyone know how elemental dmg is calculated on mobs?

Say u have 100 fire dmg 300 cold 200 lightning dmg on ur power siphon, will it try to prioritize the highest dmg type when hit or is it completely randomized or does it add all of them together and then apply the highest dmg effect to it (cold) ?



It does all the damage of the type it is. Damage is only converted if you're using something that converts damage. You can apply all three status effects on the same hit if you do enough damage.


So am I just imagining things if i feel that my lightning ele dmg has a higher chance of being being rolled/chosen more often because its currently my highest dmg? or is the chance sort of like like 33% if u have 3 ele dmg types.
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
eu.exodus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
South Africa1186 Posts
November 19 2013 08:46 GMT
#11665
Okay so I'm finally in merciless with my ranger, my question is : what's better, evasion or armor? I got the skill that converts all evasion to armor and I'm using grace aura but I haven't really noticed much difference. does evasion dodge elemental damage or only physical?
6 poll is a good skill toi have
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-19 11:57:51
November 19 2013 11:55 GMT
#11666
The 12 min races went rather terrible.

The first one I got so frustrated I only farmed to lvl 5; Coves was bad, didn't find a 2h ever so I had to buy it, went wrong way in Lower Passage ... pretty much terrible.

The second went OK, made lvl 7 but still had a bad placement.

The third was my best, lvl 7 close to 8. Damn you Slix, why you Mara? :D

edit: you actually beat me in the last seconds; I had no monsters for like 5 sec in the end.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 19 2013 12:15 GMT
#11667
rip 2 exalts on my sword. got stun duration and accuracy lol

also rip like 300 alts rolling this reaver. i got a tyrannical like 50 rolls in but rerolled it because the suffix was useless. 300 alts later i regret that move
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-19 12:25:56
November 19 2013 12:25 GMT
#11668
On November 19 2013 21:15 oneofthem wrote:
rip 2 exalts on my sword. got stun duration and accuracy lol

also rip like 300 alts rolling this reaver. i got a tyrannical like 50 rolls in but rerolled it because the suffix was useless. 300 alts later i regret that move

Lol, I haven't tried crafting weapons. But on the PoE forums there is a thread from someone crying he had one Tyrannical in 2000 Alts... So yeah, probably shouldn't have rerolled. xD
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 19 2013 12:37 GMT
#11669
yea i was thinking it wasn't that rare since i rolled it pretty fast. nope
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
whoso
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany523 Posts
November 19 2013 13:17 GMT
#11670
On November 19 2013 17:46 eu.exodus wrote:
Okay so I'm finally in merciless with my ranger, my question is : what's better, evasion or armor? I got the skill that converts all evasion to armor and I'm using grace aura but I haven't really noticed much difference. does evasion dodge elemental damage or only physical?


if it evades, it also evades the elemental damage. however, it only evades attacks, not spells


udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
November 19 2013 13:33 GMT
#11671
after a race ends, are race characters put into standard / HC or domination / nemesis?
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8699 Posts
November 19 2013 13:37 GMT
#11672
On November 19 2013 22:33 udgnim wrote:
after a race ends, are race characters put into standard / HC or domination / nemesis?


Standard/HC (except for a few like descent that are put into void league)--> So a HC race char is put into HC (non-ladder).
Tennet
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1458 Posts
November 19 2013 13:38 GMT
#11673
On November 19 2013 16:04 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 15:14 Tennet wrote:
I'm planning on making a phys wander but the whole crit + ele prolif idea is really neat. It sounds pretty safe and is effective. Doing it with shock stacks would be pretty cool but it wouldn't kill anything when solo unless I use PS with LMP to clean up. I could always just do gem swaps for solo/party.

What I really want to do is supply charges and do good damage.. Maybe explore cast on crit. I'm not sure how exotic I want to get. All of this makes me want to explore other skill combinations instead of something super standard.


If you want to do cast on crit I think you have to play a low life Shav character that uses PA and that new hat. The gear requirements to get it up and running are way too steep to make it seem like a good idea to me though. Discharge is the best spell for it hands down if you want damage, but I'm not sure what you'd use to trigger it.

Yeah, that is nothing that I'd want to do. I have seen someone using PS with arctic breath attached to lmp and cast on crit.. it's way too inconsistent. It seems way more effective to just use PS/frenzy.
"The harder it gets, the more you need to focus on the basics." - Seo Gyung Jong
eluv
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
November 19 2013 15:26 GMT
#11674
On November 19 2013 16:31 Senx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 08:55 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On November 19 2013 08:32 Senx wrote:
Amazing game, died on two lvl 50 + nemesis chars already but the game is still great. Keep trying new specs.

Finally a complex and rewarding hack and slash game. D3 was the biggest dissapointment i've witnessed in my gaming life

Anyone know how elemental dmg is calculated on mobs?

Say u have 100 fire dmg 300 cold 200 lightning dmg on ur power siphon, will it try to prioritize the highest dmg type when hit or is it completely randomized or does it add all of them together and then apply the highest dmg effect to it (cold) ?



It does all the damage of the type it is. Damage is only converted if you're using something that converts damage. You can apply all three status effects on the same hit if you do enough damage.


So am I just imagining things if i feel that my lightning ele dmg has a higher chance of being being rolled/chosen more often because its currently my highest dmg? or is the chance sort of like like 33% if u have 3 ele dmg types.


I don't think you understood correctly. Your weapon does all the damage listed, on every hit. There's no choice or roll because they are all applying, every time you attack. If it says 3 fire damage, 3 cold damage, 3 lightning damage, then you do 9 elemental damage every time you swing, 3 off each type.
"Yes I fucked my way to the GSL partnership" - Sundance
matiK23
Profile Joined May 2011
United States963 Posts
November 19 2013 15:40 GMT
#11675
So I have a question about crits and physical reflect. Let's say I have armour at 3600. My physical dmg from my skill does 2000-3000(hypothetical number) with a crit multiplier of 250%. So to calculate my crit dmg, is it 3000*250/100, or 3000*250/100+3000? So my crit dmg is either 7500 or 10500. With reflect maps being 18%, I get 1350 or 1890 reflected back but my armour mitigates 300 dmg so I would take 1050 or 1590 dmg. After choosing which crit formula is correct, would my forumul be correct?
Without a paddle up shit creek.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-19 16:10:19
November 19 2013 15:55 GMT
#11676
With a 10.6 crit wand (they go to about 12 on slower bases or 11 and a bit on the fast base), I'm at 70% chance to crit with power charges up (6 max, 7 soon). Level 59. Toss in maligaros, a better base and the last power charge and I expect to be pushing 85-90% crit chance in a few levels.

Fireball (the spell i'm casting on crit) has a 6% base crit chance so it won't go much above 50% crit chance I don't think but that is still solid.

If I hit a group of 5 mobs, I get 15 hits. If that is a crit, I'm looking at 15 * (.68 end game, currently about .58) chance to cast = about 9-10 casts of gmp-chain fireball. Which all explode on the 3rd target for extra AoE.

I think this is more powerful than blitz is giving it credit for. Yes my single target sucks but I'm sure I can concoct something to make that better (since spell damage scales the rest of my build and I already have insane crit chance with decent multi).

So far, no need for shav's or righteous fire + new hat or pain attunement or w/e, and my wand is practically vendor trash. Mana is a serious concern but I'm working on it (currently EB). I cull most mobs due to the amount I hit with power siphon.

This build is mega softcore though. Especially since ideally you will be off-screening as much as possible due to ridiculously low surivivability without gear (and I promise I have a real amount of life nodes). Anything that tries to fight you at range simply loses, but anything that gets in your face can often abuse the lag you cause by casting 50+ fireballs to kill you (:/). With arctic armor I think reflect wouldn't actually be that bad considering the low damage each individual fireball does. Problem being mana since I'm at 84 mana cost to power siphon (level 1 PS). I guess I'd recommend levelling as Freeze pulse until at least 60? You need a ton of mana and 250 crit chance plus at least 2 power charges from the tree before this build gets going. And a 5link.

So major issues:
1) lag caused by fireballs. The GGG Visual Effects guy said he's working on this right now since its literally impossible for any computer to properly render mass fireballs.
2) MANA. especially since you need arctic armor late game against reflect. EB/Discipline/Clarity isn't cutting it at level 59 with like 250 int and some good mana nodes. (I have very limited ES on gear though).
3) Unreliability. If you can get around 3 power siphons off you are in business but if you get facerushed by say those jumpers from sceptre of god then you often dont really have time to get blasting before you are dead. I don't think this is as big a deal as others think (especially if you can get going with a quality cast on crit) but if you get surrounded your only out is to get a big crit and wipe the mobs and that simply isn't a given although it is quite likely. Maybe I should run discharge for those situations... zomg. NEW PLAN.
4) Single target. I haven't solved this but it should be easy on a 7 power charge 350 crit multi 100 spell damage character to unload on something. May involve a weapon switch. Currently Frenzy + Increased crit dmg + Faster attacks + Added cold (I had a spare green slot) isn't doing it. Was hoping to freeze lock bosses or something. My wand has no damage mods though.
5) GEAR. Getting the right wand is kinda hard (people will sell what you want to the vendor because who the fuck wants Crit/Attackspeed wands with no IPD or ele rolls?). Your ideal wand is probably Prefix: Spell damage, IPD, Flat Phys Suffix: Crit, IAS, Accuracy. Maybe local lightning damage instead of the phys stuff. Not that accuracy is a problem now but in maps... i'm worried. Plus you need a 5link. Plus you have limited life passives available and no resist passives so your gear has to make up for that. Plus its hard to get any sort of half decent armor total with the gear you need.

Attack speed isn't a problem since you are mana limited and can frenzy up a few charges once your mana gets there. AoE damage is absolutely not a problem (maybe in big map groups? TBH I think it will stay insane).

So yeah, thats my cast on crit build. Sorry for the wall of text. I'm not recommending that you copy it exactly I'm just trying to share my experiences with it. It's pretty fun, although I wish I was doing some damage with just attacks. Part of me wants to say that you should find an insane wand, then tailor your build to fit that wand. Once you wipe an entire pack of mobs 3 levels above you in fellshrine with 1 attack though... its hard to go back lol.

E: O dear this was much bigger than I thought. Apologies.
Current build for anybody curious. I think I'd start Scion if I had to restart this char since I'm probably going to hit the scion start nodes up for attack speed at some point.
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-19 17:06:09
November 19 2013 17:02 GMT
#11677
FML, already the 3rd time I failed to reach lvl 23 at Descent... 2-3 blues and level up T_T Ripped at the last second.

I basically had it in the bag but I had only the boss left at Desecrated Shrine, so I decided to go down, it took too long.

Zoro and Slix both a Demi, nice, well done.
ZoRoXo
Profile Joined February 2010
Norway268 Posts
November 19 2013 17:17 GMT
#11678
Thx, feels pretty good after failing so hard at the burst races. Demi even arrived with the magic find flask :^)
sprættemætute
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 19 2013 17:19 GMT
#11679
Oh wow you are at divination distillate? HNNNNNG i want that dumb flask lol grats.
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
November 19 2013 17:20 GMT
#11680
On November 20 2013 02:19 Sn0_Man wrote:
Oh wow you are at divination distillate? HNNNNNG i want that dumb flask lol grats.

Best racing reward ever. Well, at least from the "reachable" stuff.
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