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radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
February 27 2013 09:13 GMT
#6921
On February 27 2013 14:58 RLTY wrote:
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jesus christ just had a close call

Since when has he played Path of Exile? Guess clouds must have interfered with reception.
Repeat before me
RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
February 27 2013 09:25 GMT
#6922
If anyone has some spare HC currency but mains Default I'm looking to unload some decent armor and leveled skill gems (mostly quality) at a 1:5 rate (or less if you're feeling generous) at
+ Show Spoiler [shop] +
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/202228
pwnageoftheyear
Profile Joined September 2012
United States64 Posts
February 27 2013 09:39 GMT
#6923
i absolutely f*** hate rhoas

and if RNG was a person in real life i would beat the living crap out of it
eventually, we all must learn when to shut the f*** up
superstartran
Profile Joined March 2010
United States4013 Posts
February 27 2013 12:18 GMT
#6924
On February 27 2013 13:43 Pwere wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Evasion is at least on par with armor without unwavering stance.. which was my point.. Armor is bad, but it's better than nothing, which is what you get with unwavering stance without IR or pure Armor gear (which btw hits values on par with evasion now. Lots of people aren't aware of that buff a few patches ago).

The post I was answering to specifically said that he was using Ghost Reaver, implying he could use the eye of Chayula, in which case ES/Evasion + Arrow dodge hybrid is viable and actually better than wasting points to grab IR, unless he deals physical damage, in which case, IR is required.

@Obstikal, not sure how you arrived at that conclusion... you're not using evasion, and you're using unwavering stance. Nothing I said applies to you, aside from the formula to know your real damage reduction. Hint: Much lower than 74% vs hard hits.

Context... Evasion and Armor are both pretty bad. Without a solid investment, evasion is usually better than armor. Pure armor beats the hell out of pure evasion, that's a given, even before endurance charges. But as a 2nd defense, evasion is fine, as long as you don't waste points on evasion passives. Grab more life instead.
tl;dr People hear that evasion is crap everywhere, and think simply converting it to armor will solve their problems. But that's far from the truth.



You grab too much life to compensate for the randomness of evasion, and gimp yourself in other ways such as lack of keystones. Armor is very point efficient, especially IR/Unwavering Stance builds. It lets you get free armor through Grace+Evasion Gear.
Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-27 12:54:51
February 27 2013 12:50 GMT
#6925



On February 27 2013 21:18 superstartran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 13:43 Pwere wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Evasion is at least on par with armor without unwavering stance.. which was my point.. Armor is bad, but it's better than nothing, which is what you get with unwavering stance without IR or pure Armor gear (which btw hits values on par with evasion now. Lots of people aren't aware of that buff a few patches ago).

The post I was answering to specifically said that he was using Ghost Reaver, implying he could use the eye of Chayula, in which case ES/Evasion + Arrow dodge hybrid is viable and actually better than wasting points to grab IR, unless he deals physical damage, in which case, IR is required.

@Obstikal, not sure how you arrived at that conclusion... you're not using evasion, and you're using unwavering stance. Nothing I said applies to you, aside from the formula to know your real damage reduction. Hint: Much lower than 74% vs hard hits.

Context... Evasion and Armor are both pretty bad. Without a solid investment, evasion is usually better than armor. Pure armor beats the hell out of pure evasion, that's a given, even before endurance charges. But as a 2nd defense, evasion is fine, as long as you don't waste points on evasion passives. Grab more life instead.
tl;dr People hear that evasion is crap everywhere, and think simply converting it to armor will solve their problems. But that's far from the truth.



You grab too much life to compensate for the randomness of evasion, and gimp yourself in other ways such as lack of keystones. Armor is very point efficient, especially IR/Unwavering Stance builds. It lets you get free armor through Grace+Evasion Gear.


Evasion is not random, and armor gets less and less useful the harder the enemy hits. Just saying.

Rigth now i dont see any better defense than a mix of both armor and evasion/block and a lot of endurance charges. The fix dmg reduction does A LOT against hard hitting bosses. As much life as possible is mandatory too of course.
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
February 27 2013 13:18 GMT
#6926
Is evasion counted before or after energy shield dmg taken?
ihasaKAROT: "Wish people would stop wasting their lives on finding flaws in others"
MotherOfRunes
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2862 Posts
February 27 2013 13:28 GMT
#6927
On February 27 2013 22:18 Ota Solgryn wrote:
Is evasion counted before or after energy shield dmg taken?

before
"Your Razor sucks!" -Kuroky's Dad
Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1557 Posts
February 27 2013 16:13 GMT
#6928
Heh, I start a practice run, and right in uppers I get a silverbranch.. What kind of sick God hides behind the RNG? At least it has a blue socket, so it wouldn't have been a free win.
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
February 27 2013 17:18 GMT
#6929
I'm trying to build a wand witch for HC but I'm concerned with survivability. The low amount of defensive choices makes everything all the more harder. Any advices ?

Also could anyone explain how status ailments are applied ? I thought it was through crits but I'm not sure now.
Xinder
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2269 Posts
February 27 2013 17:55 GMT
#6930
On February 28 2013 02:18 Otolia wrote:
I'm trying to build a wand witch for HC but I'm concerned with survivability. The low amount of defensive choices makes everything all the more harder. Any advices ?

Also could anyone explain how status ailments are applied ? I thought it was through crits but I'm not sure now.


After I died on my ranger I went back to a witch. There is a build I found on the forums that uses EK for aoe and bear traps for single target. The cool part about it is you don't need twink starting gear to make leveling less painful. So it's really good for first HC characters or anyone who doesn't want to spend loads of currency.
"Daaayyyy9, King Pussyfoot of NinnyVille"- Day9 while playing Amnesia
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
February 27 2013 17:59 GMT
#6931
On February 28 2013 02:55 Xinder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2013 02:18 Otolia wrote:
I'm trying to build a wand witch for HC but I'm concerned with survivability. The low amount of defensive choices makes everything all the more harder. Any advices ?

Also could anyone explain how status ailments are applied ? I thought it was through crits but I'm not sure now.


After I died on my ranger I went back to a witch. There is a build I found on the forums that uses EK for aoe and bear traps for single target. The cool part about it is you don't need twink starting gear to make leveling less painful. So it's really good for first HC characters or anyone who doesn't want to spend loads of currency.

Bear/Firetraps are super strong anyway. I'm currently building a Summoner/Dual Totem/EE Templar and those Traps destroy everything.

Firepen+Firetrap and Added Fire dmg+Beartrap hurts like trucks.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
DEN1ED
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1087 Posts
February 27 2013 18:23 GMT
#6932
Wow, died on my 58 HC EK Witch to merciless Hailrake... Lol I guess that is fitting.
Xinder
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2269 Posts
February 27 2013 18:30 GMT
#6933
On February 28 2013 03:23 DEN1ED wrote:
Wow, died on my 58 HC EK Witch to merciless Hailrake... Lol I guess that is fitting.


Hailrake is so crazy. Ice spear in general is really strong single target. That freeze chance and crit is so nice. Sucks it's on Hailrake lol.
"Daaayyyy9, King Pussyfoot of NinnyVille"- Day9 while playing Amnesia
RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
February 27 2013 18:44 GMT
#6934
Yeah EK builds can be awkward against bosses until you're super geared because your only reliable single target dps is Bear Trap since spamming EK (at least without Faster Projectiles) usually puts you within range of most of the bosses' nasty attacks and it doesn't do so much single target dps regardless.
DEN1ED
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1087 Posts
February 27 2013 20:47 GMT
#6935
Ya I mean most bosses were a joke since I had double bear traps doing 5k dps each. I just got careless and got frozen.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-27 20:56:36
February 27 2013 20:56 GMT
#6936
How big a difference is 65% lightning resist vs 75%? Because merciless vaal almost ended my fun yesterday. Not sure I'm even going to go back and try again after that heart attack.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
February 27 2013 21:01 GMT
#6937
On February 28 2013 05:56 crms wrote:
How big a difference is 65% lightning resist vs 75%? Because merciless vaal almost ended my fun yesterday. Not sure I'm even going to go back and try again after that heart attack.


Practice the sequence in cruel until you can do it without getting hit.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-27 21:10:13
February 27 2013 21:09 GMT
#6938
Anyone want to trade lvl 58 Chains for lvl 1? ( I have two lvl 58 but I want to turn them to level 1 so I can use them on my lower leveled characters. I also have two lvl 58 LMPs and 1 GMP that I'm looking to trade for level ones!)

EDIT: Default League by the way.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
pwnageoftheyear
Profile Joined September 2012
United States64 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-27 21:14:51
February 27 2013 21:14 GMT
#6939
WTS 20% freezing pulse btw, c/o is 2exalt 9ch on forum

ign:snic

username: pwnageoftheyear
eventually, we all must learn when to shut the f*** up
superstartran
Profile Joined March 2010
United States4013 Posts
February 27 2013 22:11 GMT
#6940
On February 27 2013 21:50 Tyrran wrote:



Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 21:18 superstartran wrote:
On February 27 2013 13:43 Pwere wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Evasion is at least on par with armor without unwavering stance.. which was my point.. Armor is bad, but it's better than nothing, which is what you get with unwavering stance without IR or pure Armor gear (which btw hits values on par with evasion now. Lots of people aren't aware of that buff a few patches ago).

The post I was answering to specifically said that he was using Ghost Reaver, implying he could use the eye of Chayula, in which case ES/Evasion + Arrow dodge hybrid is viable and actually better than wasting points to grab IR, unless he deals physical damage, in which case, IR is required.

@Obstikal, not sure how you arrived at that conclusion... you're not using evasion, and you're using unwavering stance. Nothing I said applies to you, aside from the formula to know your real damage reduction. Hint: Much lower than 74% vs hard hits.

Context... Evasion and Armor are both pretty bad. Without a solid investment, evasion is usually better than armor. Pure armor beats the hell out of pure evasion, that's a given, even before endurance charges. But as a 2nd defense, evasion is fine, as long as you don't waste points on evasion passives. Grab more life instead.
tl;dr People hear that evasion is crap everywhere, and think simply converting it to armor will solve their problems. But that's far from the truth.



You grab too much life to compensate for the randomness of evasion, and gimp yourself in other ways such as lack of keystones. Armor is very point efficient, especially IR/Unwavering Stance builds. It lets you get free armor through Grace+Evasion Gear.


Evasion is not random, and armor gets less and less useful the harder the enemy hits. Just saying.

Rigth now i dont see any better defense than a mix of both armor and evasion/block and a lot of endurance charges. The fix dmg reduction does A LOT against hard hitting bosses. As much life as possible is mandatory too of course.



Evasion IS random, it is chance to evade against certain attacks. It only averages out against large number of incoming attacks, but against strong big hits evasion is random as fuck.


Evasion/Block are garbage defensive nodes. Taking Evasion at all means you get stunned, which means you get mobbed on and die. Lack of stun immunity is a big problem, and alot of HC players take IR/Unwavering Stance because it is incredibly point efficient (break 6k armor point without having to go through too much) all while granting stun immunity. Evasion is, and always will be a bad defensive mechanic because of the lack of stun immunity.
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