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Archers_bane
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1338 Posts
February 18 2013 16:44 GMT
#6341
Anyone doing ice nova with concentrated effect + increased AoE or is that a dumb idea and you either pick one or the other?
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Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
February 18 2013 16:50 GMT
#6342
If you're going down the cold route, I think Freezing Pulse is the best Cold spell ATM. You could use Ice Nova as your 2nd spell though!
Archers_bane
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1338 Posts
February 18 2013 16:51 GMT
#6343
Yeah thats what I was doing. I have FP on my 5L chest, Ice spear on my 3L wand, Spell totem with Ice spear on my 4L boots, my auras on my 4L circlet, now just thinking about putting Ice nova on my boots. My shield is for my curses/misc.
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Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1557 Posts
February 18 2013 17:09 GMT
#6344
I have an Ice Nova templar, and FP is better in every way, even with AoE passives. You usually don't really need both concentrated and increased AoE. The reason is that you're either in an area where the dangerous mobs get close to you, then concentrated is better, or you need about +50% AoE to hit archers/snakes. Lategame, with quality gems, passives and a 6L, you'd use both, but by then you'd have realized that FP + GMP is better.

Ice Nova has its moments, but FP is a better CC, AoE and Single Target. And it costs less mana.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
February 18 2013 17:15 GMT
#6345
On February 18 2013 13:21 Pwere wrote:
Anyone here has short races experience? I did a few 1h Duelist runs, but I'm still pretty far away from the numbers I've seen. I tried both DW and 2h, and get to ~400k with both, but I don't see how to get to 500k+ besides getting really lucky (quicksilver, MS boots, good weapon).

My run is basically:
Run to Hillock. Run to Mud Flats. Grab glyphs, level ~2.5. Run to waypoint, grab fire trap and possibly coral ring. Hit ledge at level 4, equip -4% movespeed chest, kill stuff on the way, hit 7.
Kill stuff on 1st floor for level 8.5. Kill stuff on 2nd floor for level 9. Kill Brutus. This is ~25 mins.
Grab Leap Slam if 2h, Hatred if DW. (Not sure about this. Leap Slam allows to skip some areas and deal with desyncs, but Hatred does kill faster).
Hit level 10 so you can leap slam to avoid the big fire dog. Run until Cove. Hit 11 in Cove.
Cavern of Wrath. Waypoint, grab sapphire ring + added fire damage (cleave). Hit 12.
Cavern of Anger, Hit 13. Kill Merveil. 45 mins ideally, usually 50 if something went wrong.
Hit 15 on the way to Western Forest. Farm the hell out of it, or farm crossing. I'm not sure about this last part either. I end up about ~400k either way, and Dark Forest can ruin your run if you get unlucky with the exit.

I've never seen a quicksilver flask in ~5 runs, and only twice got MS boots. So far I've been lucky and always had at least one portal and one medium life flask before Brutus.


Not many people make it to 400k. The top players always get lucky with drops; that is just how the race works.
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Iblis
Profile Joined April 2010
904 Posts
February 18 2013 17:19 GMT
#6346
Anyone on Europe server have a Artic breath to trade?
Tennet
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1458 Posts
February 18 2013 17:22 GMT
#6347
On February 19 2013 02:19 Iblis wrote:
Anyone on Europe server have a Artic breath to trade?

The game isn't region locked, the gateway is only what server you log in through. Instances will be made on EU servers if you are EU etc, but you can trade/play with anyone.
"The harder it gets, the more you need to focus on the basics." - Seo Gyung Jong
eluv
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 22:38:40
February 18 2013 17:23 GMT
#6348
On February 18 2013 10:29 EchelonTee wrote:
There will never be another character wipe ever ever ever. Characters you make now will remain until release and beyond.

We don't really know what full release will be like; presumably it'll be when they have a few more acts + all of the desync issues solved. The storyline isn't complete yet in the beta.


If you're counting on desyncs being "solved“ I wouldn't hold my breath. You can improve your netcode as much as you like, but as long as you're dealing with a client server system where there is guaranteed to be some latency between the two you have to accept one of two issues. Either you allow client side prediction and sometimes rubber band, or you force a full client server trip for every command, and you experience input lag, choose your poison.
"Yes I fucked my way to the GSL partnership" - Sundance
Iblis
Profile Joined April 2010
904 Posts
February 18 2013 17:31 GMT
#6349
On February 19 2013 02:22 Tennet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2013 02:19 Iblis wrote:
Anyone on Europe server have a Artic breath to trade?

The game isn't region locked, the gateway is only what server you log in through. Instances will be made on EU servers if you are EU etc, but you can trade/play with anyone.


Oh thanks for the information, I totally didn't know this.
Archers_bane
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1338 Posts
February 18 2013 17:32 GMT
#6350
How important is quantity find compared to rarity find when trying to farm good items? Its really hard to decide whether 20% IIR/15% IIQ is better than 35% IIR on a gear
Starcraft's BW glory days have passed, RIP Jaedong's dominance - 2013...EDIT 2017: WE BACK BOYS
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
February 18 2013 17:40 GMT
#6351
On February 19 2013 02:32 Archers_bane wrote:
How important is quantity find compared to rarity find when trying to farm good items? Its really hard to decide whether 20% IIR/15% IIQ is better than 35% IIR on a gear


If you're soloing you want about 75% IIQ to farm. If you're in a full party you get free IIQ so it's pointless, just stack IIR and make sure you get all the kills.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Odoakar
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia1837 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 17:48:18
February 18 2013 17:47 GMT
#6352
On February 19 2013 01:24 Tennet wrote:
Or a 15% quality gem can go for 3 gcp when it can take 15 gcp to make it.


Because it dropped with + % quality, which means it wasn't an investemnt of 15 gcp for seller, meaning he can sell it for 3 gcp and still make a 3 gcp profit.

Glad to see a lot of people here playing PoE, I've been spending all my time on PoE forums, I only visit TL for results now.

Anyway, I had a lvl 63 HC summoner witch, died to a unsafe portal and disconnect. Rerolling now, at lvl 30. I also have a 2H Mara, lvl 50 HC, a lot of fun.

For me this game is if not better than D2, then certainly with more potential.
Archers_bane
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1338 Posts
February 18 2013 18:10 GMT
#6353
Do they have like a dev blog or something that we can look forward to in new implementations or maybe some sneak peak into stuff they are thinking about?
Starcraft's BW glory days have passed, RIP Jaedong's dominance - 2013...EDIT 2017: WE BACK BOYS
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 18:14:04
February 18 2013 18:11 GMT
#6354
On February 19 2013 02:47 Odoakar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2013 01:24 Tennet wrote:
Or a 15% quality gem can go for 3 gcp when it can take 15 gcp to make it.


Because it dropped with + % quality, which means it wasn't an investemnt of 15 gcp for seller, meaning he can sell it for 3 gcp and still make a 3 gcp profit.

Glad to see a lot of people here playing PoE, I've been spending all my time on PoE forums, I only visit TL for results now.

Anyway, I had a lvl 63 HC summoner witch, died to a unsafe portal and disconnect. Rerolling now, at lvl 30. I also have a 2H Mara, lvl 50 HC, a lot of fun.

For me this game is if not better than D2, then certainly with more potential.



What skills did you have in addition to the minion nodes? I'm currently stagnating to the point that I'm starting twinks because the killspeed (45 summoner templar cruel act 2) has gotten so slow- minions just don't scale with gear at all. Does this change at higher levels? I'm ~5 points away from turning my ES into mana so I can afford mass auras, that might help a little (I have been running anger/wrath so far).
11 years and counting- TL #680
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
February 18 2013 18:18 GMT
#6355
On February 19 2013 03:11 Monsen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2013 02:47 Odoakar wrote:
On February 19 2013 01:24 Tennet wrote:
Or a 15% quality gem can go for 3 gcp when it can take 15 gcp to make it.


Because it dropped with + % quality, which means it wasn't an investemnt of 15 gcp for seller, meaning he can sell it for 3 gcp and still make a 3 gcp profit.

Glad to see a lot of people here playing PoE, I've been spending all my time on PoE forums, I only visit TL for results now.

Anyway, I had a lvl 63 HC summoner witch, died to a unsafe portal and disconnect. Rerolling now, at lvl 30. I also have a 2H Mara, lvl 50 HC, a lot of fun.

For me this game is if not better than D2, then certainly with more potential.



What skills did you have in addition to the minion nodes? I'm currently stagnating to the point that I'm starting twinks because the killspeed (45 summoner templar cruel act 2) has gotten so slow- minions just don't scale with gear at all. Does this change at higher levels? I'm ~5 points away from turning my ES into mana so I can afford mass auras, that might help a little (I have been running anger/wrath so far).


Do you have minion instability? That should be about the point where your kill speed becomes bearable. In terms of gear, you should be looking for a 4L or 5L now. Gear itself is rather insignificant until your gems are level 15. Before this point almost all your damage comes from gem levels.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
February 18 2013 18:30 GMT
#6356
On February 19 2013 00:20 mTwRINE wrote:
Maybe it was mentioned before, but how does it makes sense that you can buy 6 socket or 3 color connected items for like 1 Orb of Transmution and sell for 7 jeweller or 1 chromatic?


if u want to do that it takes time and i would put it under 'treasure hunting'
Obstikal
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
616 Posts
February 18 2013 18:56 GMT
#6357
On February 19 2013 01:34 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 23:51 Mithhaike wrote:
On February 18 2013 23:09 Obstikal wrote:
On February 18 2013 22:07 Vallelol wrote:
Can't wait for the implementation of new melee gems, I really wanna play melee, but with Lightning Strike and Cleave the only AOE options with 1handed weapons like daggers or claws it's really boring to play :/


or the fact that LA is best aoe atm and theres little reason to really use other arrow skills besides frenzy, or that FP is so good its one of the best spells to use for such a long time theres really no reason to use other spells besides wanting to use other spells but you wont get as much dmg and versatility.

Dont get me wrong I really like this game but I feel it's losing that "create w/e build you want and play" aspect of the game at least for now but like you said new skill gems coming and they're always balancing stuff so only time before they start making other gems just as good as the current over used ones.

With that being said is LA really the only option rangers have atm ?? Are there any other bow skill gems that scale as good or close to it ??


If you get enough dps, Split arrow is a decent replacement. But you must understand how come LA is basically what everyone uses in the first place.
LA the skill itself has a AOE component to it. Thats what makes it insanely powerful when you increase the number of projectiles with LMP & fork/chain. Each LA will splash damage to the enemies next to it, when you add in LMP & Fork/Chain extra projectiles...LA is very hard to beat for AOE damage. Hell i use LA for 2 & more creeps. It's that good due to how the damage stacks.

Single target its a tossup between Frenzy & Elemental Hit mostly.

All the other arrows pretty much suck too much.


my physical crit build coulnt work without split arrow. Absolutely love it. lvl 17 split arrow with chain + life on hit = godmode



Hmm okay I will take a look at split arrow as well. My only concern is that since its more phy based and I'm building for a high crit bow that I might get 1shotted from reflect mobs ?? or if I run hatred will it convert enough phy to ele to not reflect as much ??
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 19:00:50
February 18 2013 18:59 GMT
#6358
On February 19 2013 03:56 Obstikal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2013 01:34 Benjamin99 wrote:
On February 18 2013 23:51 Mithhaike wrote:
On February 18 2013 23:09 Obstikal wrote:
On February 18 2013 22:07 Vallelol wrote:
Can't wait for the implementation of new melee gems, I really wanna play melee, but with Lightning Strike and Cleave the only AOE options with 1handed weapons like daggers or claws it's really boring to play :/


or the fact that LA is best aoe atm and theres little reason to really use other arrow skills besides frenzy, or that FP is so good its one of the best spells to use for such a long time theres really no reason to use other spells besides wanting to use other spells but you wont get as much dmg and versatility.

Dont get me wrong I really like this game but I feel it's losing that "create w/e build you want and play" aspect of the game at least for now but like you said new skill gems coming and they're always balancing stuff so only time before they start making other gems just as good as the current over used ones.

With that being said is LA really the only option rangers have atm ?? Are there any other bow skill gems that scale as good or close to it ??


If you get enough dps, Split arrow is a decent replacement. But you must understand how come LA is basically what everyone uses in the first place.
LA the skill itself has a AOE component to it. Thats what makes it insanely powerful when you increase the number of projectiles with LMP & fork/chain. Each LA will splash damage to the enemies next to it, when you add in LMP & Fork/Chain extra projectiles...LA is very hard to beat for AOE damage. Hell i use LA for 2 & more creeps. It's that good due to how the damage stacks.

Single target its a tossup between Frenzy & Elemental Hit mostly.

All the other arrows pretty much suck too much.


my physical crit build coulnt work without split arrow. Absolutely love it. lvl 17 split arrow with chain + life on hit = godmode



Hmm okay I will take a look at split arrow as well. My only concern is that since its more phy based and I'm building for a high crit bow that I might get 1shotted from reflect mobs ?? or if I run hatred will it convert enough phy to ele to not reflect as much ??


Hatred doesn't convert. It adds cold damage.

If you get the point where you're one shotting yourself on reflect mobs then you can pick up vaal pact. With LoH you might hit enough targets to not worry about it though. I don't think Split Arrow hits as many times as lightning arrow, but Lightning Arrow is major overkill on hits ^_^
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Obstikal
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
616 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 19:46:45
February 18 2013 19:12 GMT
#6359
On February 19 2013 03:59 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2013 03:56 Obstikal wrote:
On February 19 2013 01:34 Benjamin99 wrote:
On February 18 2013 23:51 Mithhaike wrote:
On February 18 2013 23:09 Obstikal wrote:
On February 18 2013 22:07 Vallelol wrote:
Can't wait for the implementation of new melee gems, I really wanna play melee, but with Lightning Strike and Cleave the only AOE options with 1handed weapons like daggers or claws it's really boring to play :/


or the fact that LA is best aoe atm and theres little reason to really use other arrow skills besides frenzy, or that FP is so good its one of the best spells to use for such a long time theres really no reason to use other spells besides wanting to use other spells but you wont get as much dmg and versatility.

Dont get me wrong I really like this game but I feel it's losing that "create w/e build you want and play" aspect of the game at least for now but like you said new skill gems coming and they're always balancing stuff so only time before they start making other gems just as good as the current over used ones.

With that being said is LA really the only option rangers have atm ?? Are there any other bow skill gems that scale as good or close to it ??


If you get enough dps, Split arrow is a decent replacement. But you must understand how come LA is basically what everyone uses in the first place.
LA the skill itself has a AOE component to it. Thats what makes it insanely powerful when you increase the number of projectiles with LMP & fork/chain. Each LA will splash damage to the enemies next to it, when you add in LMP & Fork/Chain extra projectiles...LA is very hard to beat for AOE damage. Hell i use LA for 2 & more creeps. It's that good due to how the damage stacks.

Single target its a tossup between Frenzy & Elemental Hit mostly.

All the other arrows pretty much suck too much.


my physical crit build coulnt work without split arrow. Absolutely love it. lvl 17 split arrow with chain + life on hit = godmode



Hmm okay I will take a look at split arrow as well. My only concern is that since its more phy based and I'm building for a high crit bow that I might get 1shotted from reflect mobs ?? or if I run hatred will it convert enough phy to ele to not reflect as much ??


Hatred doesn't convert. It adds cold damage.

If you get the point where you're one shotting yourself on reflect mobs then you can pick up vaal pact. With LoH you might hit enough targets to not worry about it though. I don't think Split Arrow hits as many times as lightning arrow, but Lightning Arrow is major overkill on hits ^_^



oh.. man I never noticed lol.. but if i get high enough phy it will really make hatred strong and freeze enemy's with my hopefully high crit chance right ? I might go this route instead of LA.. I really want to get high crit and freeze shit while maintaining good dps. I thought for a while going phy/crit and trying to convert the phy to ele or add ele so a huge majority of my dmg isnt just phy and I wont get hit as hard from reflect.. but as you said vaalpact and LoH would sort of cancel out a lot of that so.. hm.. so lost haha.. Im currently holding out on passives until I can settle..


okay new idea... EleHit,Wed,eleProflieration,Lmp,chain I like the idea with this with high crit but I would still need a LoH or LL right ? or would a majority of my hit be ele based so I would worry too much about that?

Edit: got elehit
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
February 18 2013 19:45 GMT
#6360
On February 19 2013 01:44 Archers_bane wrote:
Anyone doing ice nova with concentrated effect + increased AoE or is that a dumb idea and you either pick one or the other?

it is 2 support for one dmgboost and a significant manacostboost. You could also use a reduced mana+fast cast, get the same dmgboost with less +manacost
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