EPT2011-2012 football (soccer) thread - Page 447
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Mondieu
Romania803 Posts
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Maenander
Germany4927 Posts
On May 21 2012 20:16 Spitmode wrote: germany won't have a chance of winning the euro 2012, not with 8 bayern players just having experienced one of the worst losses in football history. how the hell do you expect them to play a focused, motivated cup? not gonna happen. yes, there are other players on the squad, but the most important players are from bayern. you're not going to win anything this year. it could have been a beautiful summer.... I disagree. The Bayern players will be even more motivated to win a major trophy now. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
With Puyol out, Spain probably isn't the heavy favourite again to win this cup. Certainly among the biggest favourites, but still. Germany will suffer from Schweinsteiger probably being quite depressed - as well as Gomez being Gomez (never playing well in important matches (especially for the german national team) and probably even more importantly Klose being slightly injured. I don't know about the Netherlands. I think it's due time for them to win a big cup again, but Oranje has always been stuffed with sick world class players and yet rarely won big cups in the end. Similar situation to spain, although they picked up their game and have finally started dominating. Maybe we see the dutch as the new dominating force. We'll see. I'll be rooting for them. I wouldn't be surprised if we see one of the teams noone talked about taking it eventually. Think of Greece 2004 (albeit hopefully with more interesting football). I'm thinking the hosts or maybe even a team like Croatia. | ||
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NuclearJudas
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On May 21 2012 21:22 Mandalor wrote: I think this Euro Cup is anyone's game to be honest. With Puyol out, Spain probably isn't the heavy favourite again to win this cup. Certainly among the biggest favourites, but still. Germany will suffer from Schweinsteiger probably being quite depressed - as well as Gomez being Gomez (never playing well in important matches (especially for the german national team) and probably even more importantly Klose being slightly injured. I don't know about the Netherlands. I think it's due time for them to win a big cup again, but Oranje has always been stuffed with sick world class players and yet rarely won big cups in the end. Similar situation to spain, although they picked up their game and have finally started dominating. Maybe we see the dutch as the new dominating force. We'll see. I'll be rooting for them. I wouldn't be surprised if we see one of the teams taking it eventually noone talked about. Think of Greece 2004 (albeit hopefully with more interesting football). I'm thinking the hosts or maybe even a team like Croatia. I am more pessimistic about the Netherlands for this tournament than for any previous one. We don't have any midfielder that is strong both offensively and defensively. Van Marwijk insists on playing Kuyt, and wants to play both de Jong and van Bommel, Kuyt is hard working but otherwise sub-par and two purely defensive midfielders is just not the Dutch way. Many of our world class players don't fit together in the same team. Like Van der Vaart and Sneijder, Van Persie and Huntelaar. Sneijder doesn't work well in the system they've been playing I feel, hope Van der Vaart sees more play. There seems to be no way to play a traditional 4-3-3 with the current squad, and I hate this stupid 4-2-3-1 they've been doing. I hope they change it up but Van Marwijk is pretty conservative, so I don't have much hope. I think its going to be ugly and probably pretty bad. No free wins in their group either. Will see how they do in the friendly against Bayern, but I think Germany should clearly be ranked above Holland. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On May 21 2012 21:48 Crushinator wrote: I am more pessimistic about the Netherlands for this tournament than for any previous one. We don't have any midfielder that is strong both offensively and defensively. Van Marwijk insists on playing Kuyt, and wants to play both de Jong and van Bommel, Kuyt is hard working but otherwise sub-par and two purely defensive midfielders is just not the Dutch way. Many of our world class players don't fit together in the same team. Like Van der Vaart and Sneijder, Van Persie and Huntelaar. Sneijder doesn't work well in the system they've been playing I feel, hope Van der Vaart sees more play. There seems to be no way to play a traditional 4-3-3 with the current squad, and I hate this stupid 4-2-3-1 they've been doing. I hope they change it up but Van Marwijk is pretty conservative, so I don't have much hope. I think its going to be ugly and probably pretty bad. No free wins in their group either. Will see how they do in the friendly against Bayern, but I think Germany should clearly be ranked above Holland. To be fair it wouldn't be very fair if you could field both Huntelaar and RVP  That would be OP to fuck and need a nerf xD Specially the form of them both this season! Like Torres and Villa in the last Euro, was OP as fuck and needed nerf. I think like you said if you can get your team balanced right, with the right players gelling in a nice standard formation you have no reason you cannot win it. And i 100% agree with you about Kuyt, i tell my Liverpool mate every day that all he is, is an average joe who runs around constantly for 90minutes and sometimes pops up with a goal but is no where near consistant enough to be dubbed a world class player. And to leave out the likes of Huntelaar or any of your young wingers its just silly. | ||
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
On May 21 2012 21:48 Crushinator wrote: I am more pessimistic about the Netherlands for this tournament than for any previous one. We don't have any midfielder that is strong both offensively and defensively. Van Marwijk insists on playing Kuyt, and wants to play both de Jong and van Bommel, Kuyt is hard working but otherwise sub-par and two purely defensive midfielders is just not the Dutch way. Many of our world class players don't fit together in the same team. Like Van der Vaart and Sneijder, Van Persie and Huntelaar. Sneijder doesn't work well in the system they've been playing I feel, hope Van der Vaart sees more play. There seems to be no way to play a traditional 4-3-3 with the current squad, and I hate this stupid 4-2-3-1 they've been doing. I hope they change it up but Van Marwijk is pretty conservative, so I don't have much hope. I think its going to be ugly and probably pretty bad. No free wins in their group either. Will see how they do in the friendly against Bayern, but I think Germany should clearly be ranked above Holland. I guess the issue with the dutch team is that its players are so spread out in europe. Barely anyone in the team plays in the Ehrendivisie or at a specific team (think germany -> Bayern) so that they don't have a core team that knows each other's paths and styles well. Still, their individual skills should be able to get them out of the group quite easily and be ranked among the favorites to take it. I wouldn't be surprised if holland beats germany, especially during the early phases of the cup. Also totally forgot about France. They definitely built up a very strong team with Domenech finally gone. | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On May 21 2012 22:05 Mandalor wrote: I guess the issue with the dutch team is that its players are so spread out in europe. Barely anyone in the team plays in the Ehrendivisie or at a specific team (think germany -> Bayern) so that they don't have a core team that knows each other's paths and styles well. Still, their individual skills should be able to get them out of the group quite easily and be ranked among the favorites to take it. I wouldn't be surprised if holland beats germany, especially during the early phases of the cup. Also totally forgot about France. They definitely built up a very strong team with Domenech finally gone. I don't know if thats the problem. The current generation has played together in the national team for so long you would think they know eachother a bit by know. Just for giggles a formation like this would be the sickest thing ever: Stekelenburg Van Der Wiel - Heitinga - Mathijsen - Schaars Robben - Van der Vaart - Sneijder - Affelay Van Persie - Huntelaar Every game will have 8+ goals and we shall call it kamikaze football. | ||
Lovedrop
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greggy
United Kingdom1483 Posts
Don't think falcao or neymar will go anywhere, kagawa I've no idea about.. there was talk of hulk moving some time ago, also sneijder but those are just rumours I guess. Tottenham might lose modric or bale. There'll be a ton of impulse signings after the Euros though, no doubt about that. | ||
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Timurid
Guyana (French)656 Posts
On May 22 2012 00:00 Lovedrop wrote: who will be the biggest summer signing?! Hazard? Kagawa? Falcao? NEYMAR??? one day... Neymar and Falcao ain't leaving this summer. Kagawa may go to utd for 20 mil and Hazard can go for 40 mil and up. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Timurid
Guyana (French)656 Posts
On May 22 2012 00:29 Pandemona wrote: Thought Neymar has done deal with Real? Thought Hazard is out of contract? If not Hazard is leaving, Man Utd Chelsea or City his destination. Neymar said he is staying at santos till 2014 when he decides. Hazard signed a contract last year with lille to 2015, but will most likely leave this summer. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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bObaZ
Portugal864 Posts
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dmnum
Brazil6910 Posts
On May 22 2012 00:28 Timurid wrote: Neymar and Falcao ain't leaving this summer. Kagawa may go to utd for 20 mil and Hazard can go for 40 mil and up. Neymar has repeatedly said that he doesnt want to leave santos until 2014. And i dont think he will considering santos is the favorite to win libertadores again and the national championship. He kind of wishes to repeat what pele did in santos. | ||
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Signet
United States1718 Posts
On May 22 2012 00:29 Pandemona wrote: Thought Neymar has done deal with Real? Thought Hazard is out of contract? If not Hazard is leaving, Man Utd Chelsea or City his destination. Utd can't afford Hazard, and really don't need any more players at his position. So even if the club was willing to spend 40 mil, I'd rather do it on quality central midfielders (Kagawa is nice but we need more than one signing in this part of the pitch) as well as defenders. | ||
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Sgany
United Kingdom790 Posts
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
IMO Germany is the favourite here. | ||
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