On July 29 2011 02:29 Microchaton wrote: I was more looking for the "DotA" pros side of the argument tbh ^^ In my opinion even "dreamhack" quality players atm are not all good enough to be qualified "pros" and to enter the same category as Vigoss and others... And remember I'm the "super-pro-LoL" guy ! All of you guys who apparently "beat the crap out of the game" are welcome to team up, play tournaments and win everything.
Comparing Dota pros to LoL pros is like comparing BW pros and SC2 pros. Newer game, worse pros.
Really happy for Riot. I enjoy playing LoL every once in a while, free champion rotation is awesome for me, as I won't invest money in it, and they get commercial income from me watching games and streams.
So yeah, awesome for Riot, awesome for us as fans of ESPORTS.
On July 29 2011 02:29 Microchaton wrote: I was more looking for the "DotA" pros side of the argument tbh ^^ In my opinion even "dreamhack" quality players atm are not all good enough to be qualified "pros" and to enter the same category as Vigoss and others... And remember I'm the "super-pro-LoL" guy ! All of you guys who apparently "beat the crap out of the game" are welcome to team up, play tournaments and win everything.
huh? what? your post makes basically no sense from front to back.
Ok, fine, game that's just starting to get competitive vs. game that's been competitive for many years. Sure, we simply don't have a long enough history of LoL to get the same level of epic-pro-status that DotA has. But there are still top level players and I'm not exactly sure why you don't care about what we have to say.
Also, I don't know what "And remember I'm the "super-pro-LoL" guy !" even means
Also I have no idea who that last sentence is directed at.
free pvp game getting success can never be wrong . As long as it stays ... you can get everything for free as well. brrr sc2 for free, but you have to pay monthly for units like infestors or ghosts or colossi lol. I don't mind free games as long as they allow people with to muc free time get as good as people with to much money. Thats perfect for a f2p as everyone will love it.
On July 29 2011 02:46 FeyFey wrote: free pvp game getting success can never be wrong . As long as it stays ... you can get everything for free as well. brrr sc2 for free, but you have to pay monthly for units like infestors or ghosts or colossi lol. I don't mind free games as long as they allow people with to muc free time get as good as people with to much money. Thats perfect for a f2p as everyone will love it.
Riot has stated that they will never sell raw power for RP (the currency you pay for) but not IP (the currency you get over time for playing the game). Spending some money to give yourself runepage flexibility and champion flexibility sure is nice, but you could theoretically just spam games to get it all. The only thing that is RP only ATM are skins, which have no power level difference.
On July 29 2011 02:29 Microchaton wrote: I was more looking for the "DotA" pros side of the argument tbh ^^ In my opinion even "dreamhack" quality players atm are not all good enough to be qualified "pros" and to enter the same category as Vigoss and others... And remember I'm the "super-pro-LoL" guy ! All of you guys who apparently "beat the crap out of the game" are welcome to team up, play tournaments and win everything.
vigoss is basically from the era of dota that is like the boxer era of BW, looking back on his golden days even LoL pros (with small amount of dota knowledge) would be able to beat them in those days, the understanding of DotA has advanced quite far since then making their highlight videos look laughably basic, and his teams playstyle fell out of favor a long time ago-- they couldnt adapt to new versions and playstyles. but individual skill wise he is still a very good player.
out of the original virtus pro NS is notable for being one of the the top supports in europe, SMILE still plays pro sometimes.
The whole "LoL isn't fit as an esport because you have to play it for it to make sense" argument doesn't really make sense to me. How many of you actually watch games (as an esport, not as an "oh look at this hilarious wombo combo video") that you don't play?
Especially with a free game this doesn't make sense. Releasing this game and getting huge numbers at WCG puts the game in the spotlight as far as up and coming esports/games go. If you watch and you're interested, all you have to do is go download the game. You can do the "play the game" part so that it "makes sense as an esport" all for free!~!~!
Also, on a different note, a way to make it more accessible for people who don't play enough to be completely familiar with all 70 whatever champs would be to give a basic overview of the champions being played while the players are loading. Each character only has 4 skills and you don't have to go into an kind of detail with them. The rest of the match will be like a showcase of how to most effectively use the characters and their skills anyway.
On July 29 2011 05:27 sRapers_ValkS wrote: The whole "LoL isn't fit as an esport because you have to play it for it to make sense" argument doesn't really make sense to me. How many of you actually watch games (as an esport, not as an "oh look at this hilarious wombo combo video") that you don't play?
Especially with a free game this doesn't make sense. Releasing this game and getting huge numbers at WCG puts the game in the spotlight as far as up and coming esports/games go. If you watch and you're interested, all you have to do is go download the game. You can do the "play the game" part so that it "makes sense as an esport" all for free!~!~!
Also, on a different note, a way to make it more accessible for people who don't play enough to be completely familiar with all 70 whatever champs would be to give a basic overview of the champions being played while the players are loading. Each character only has 4 skills and you don't have to go into an kind of detail with them. The rest of the match will be like a showcase of how to most effectively use the characters and their skills anyway.
And people are forgetting that top tier players and teams got access to the tournament realm where everything is unlocked.
On July 29 2011 05:27 sRapers_ValkS wrote: The whole "LoL isn't fit as an esport because you have to play it for it to make sense" argument doesn't really make sense to me.
It's plain wrong too. I had no experience with DotA, HoN or LoL whatsoever and had fun watching Psyonic_Reaver play LoL several months ago, which eventually got me into playing it.
On July 29 2011 05:27 sRapers_ValkS wrote: The whole "LoL isn't fit as an esport because you have to play it for it to make sense" argument doesn't really make sense to me. How many of you actually watch games (as an esport, not as an "oh look at this hilarious wombo combo video") that you don't play?
For some people it might make sense. Not LoL specifically, but I do believe in the argument that some games are easier to understand and watch without ever playing it than others.
I started playing SC2 because I enjoyed watching SC2. Sometime during the beta, I was reading a forum and someone happened to mention that SC2 was finally being released, and that Blizzard had been giving out beta keys. With nominal interest I decided to type "Starcraft 2" into youtube just to see what the game was like. The first thing that I clicked on happened to a be match between KawaiiRice and qxc. I watched the match, knowing almost nothing about SC2 and was entertained and I wanted more. I subscribed to popular youtube casters just to watch the game as much as I could. I watched dozens of games before I ever got my own beta key.
Conversely, when I tried to watch HoN it didn't have the same appeal. I watched a couple matches, both were long nearly one hour games, and I didn't find it very interesting. I couldn't follow what was going on, and I didn't have any interest in watching any more games. I did check in on the LoL stream from time to time at Dreamhack but I felt pretty much the same way about LoL as I did about HoN, I couldn't get into it. I felt like I had to play it to know what I was watching.
I'm not suggesting that my experiences are universal when it comes to SC2 or HoN/LoL. Maybe there are people who got hooked onto watching LoL without playing it the same as I did SC2. I'm not trying to say one or the other is better in this regard for anyone but me personally. However, I do believe that it is possible for someone to enjoy watching a game, whatever it may be, without ever having played it.
Despite my own preference for SC2 I do hope people who enjoy watching LoL, or any other game from this genre, get to have plenty of high level tournaments to enjoy.
EDIT: Thinking about this a bit more I think the reason why SC2 was an easy game for me to enjoy watching before playing it was because I have played many RTS games, even though I didn't play SC2 specifically. BW, C&C, Red Alert, Total Annihilation, Dark Reign, AoE, RoN, etc. might all be very different in the details of how they operate, but if you've played one, even if it's only campaign missions, it's not that difficult to understand what's going on in another RTS, especially one as traditional as SC2.
personally I've only ever been able to appreciate fighting games without playing them and a lot of that has to do with fighting game commentators going batshit insane when something cool is happening which just sucks you into the hype, lol.
If you guys can think of anything we can do better in the realm of eSports, do let me know! I work for Riot and I do eSports stuff. I know there's a LOT we can do, and there's a LOT on our todo list, but if you have a specific idea/concern that you think needs Riot attention, do shoot me a PM.
And thanks for the kind words. Riot is blowing up, and as someone noticed, these numbers do NOT include Asia, where we opened our open beta in China just one week ago. We're doing really well and we're investing very heavily in further development. That big announcement that we've got coming very soon? It's going to make very people very happy. This is one of those "small bomb implanted in brain" situations where we all at Riot REALLY REALLY want to talk about this thing but can't until it's officially announced. It's killing me! But the wait will be over very soon.
You can't compare lol with dota... lol is a rip-off from dota + the graphics in dota is so bad compared to lol and hon and it was a custom game within Warcraft III. If they would have made Dota 2 instead of lol and hon it would have been much more succesful than both games combined
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. As long as it stays ... you can get everything for free as well.
