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Ng5
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Didn't forget! Just eating dinner. | ||
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Ng5
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Next, please! Sending out reminders. | ||
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hp.Shell
United States2527 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Goolpsy
Denmark301 Posts
c1 keeps presure, but my intuition tells me Qf5 then Ne4 to close the gap in our defence, is the best choice. Qf5 | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On December 14 2011 18:23 Goolpsy wrote: That would be some trick.Qf5 27. Rc1 | ||
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chesshaha
United States1117 Posts
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
Really though, 27. Rc1 seem like the only reasonable move at the moment. | ||
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Mash2
United States132 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
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SausageLinks
United States93 Posts
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
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liberal
1116 Posts
Ok so: 27. Rc1 d3! Black is preparing the move Rc2. What do we play? 28. Rc7+ Kd8 Now what? 29. Rc6 Bb7 Now there is no way to prevent Rc2. Rc3 with the plan of Rxd3 doesn't work either, because black can pin our rook with bishop moves. For now I'm going to vote Rb1. The rook exchange would be good to reduce the pressure on us, his rook on the seventh (technically second  ) is very strong. If he decides not to trade, Rc2, then at least we have an open file with our rook and more options than Rc1 gives us. At some point we have options like d6, g4, or Rb6 to try and support our passed a pawn to promotion. | ||
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Goolpsy
Denmark301 Posts
hahaha thats not a queen?! Im so blind :S Rc1 is the only option  | ||
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Raysalis
Malaysia1034 Posts
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:50 liberal wrote: First of all, you should put your lines in spoilers so our opponent doesn't read them.wow every person voted Rc1? I feel like we just keep giving black free moves. What does Rc1 do? Ok so: + Show Spoiler + 27. Rc1 d3! Black is preparing the move Rc2. What do we play? 28. Rc7+ Kd8 Now what? 29. Rc6 Bb7 Now there is no way to prevent Rc2. Rc3 with the plan of Rxd3 doesn't work either, because black can pin our rook with bishop moves. For now I'm going to vote Rb1.+ Show Spoiler + The rook exchange would be good to reduce the pressure on us, his rook on the seventh (technically second ) is very strong. If he decides not to trade, Rc2, then at least we have an open file with our rook and more options than Rc1 gives us. At some point we have options like d6, g4, or Rb6 to try and support our passed a pawn to promotion.+ Show Spoiler [in response to your lines] + I hadn't seen 27...d3, but you're right, it's looking very problematic. I spent a couple of hours looking at it, and I still don't have a good plan against it. Maybe there's some hope with 28. Kf1 (the idea being to get the King over to defend the Knight/d2 square), but if the best we have is to go back on the defensive, and we don't get the chance at a counter-offensive after all, then it does seem fairly useless to give up a pawn with 27. Rc1. On the other hand, 27. Rb1 looks pretty bad to me. If we traded Rooks at this point, all of our isolated pawns would fall, and I don't think we'd have any chance at a win. Maybe we could get a draw. At this point, I'm once again unsure what to do, so for now I'm going to change my vote to abstain. Maybe I'll change it to something like 27. h3: there aren't too many other possibilities... | ||
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wizard944
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HypertonicHydroponic
437 Posts
My thought behind this move is: White is ahead materially, we do not need to force anything -- let black make the first mistake. Moving our rook from the a file seems pretty rash at the moment. There are some tricky traps with this move but it seems like it can work. Again, I am not sure if I am missing something. Nf3 is my vote unless someone can show that this is certain doom. Also, just out of curiousity, I am not seeing why that Rc2 line is so bad for white (not that I find the position paritcularly appealing. How does the rook get pinned per se and what is the threat that we are trying to avoid? The best I can tell is that white can just narrowly escape black queening the pawn by trading rooks and black bishops. The knight stops the queening and the king can finish off the pawn. It seems a pretty drawish position with bishop and three pawns against knight and four pawns | ||
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dtvu
Australia687 Posts
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Raysalis
Malaysia1034 Posts
On December 15 2011 12:29 HypertonicHydroponic wrote: Can someone please explain why Nf3 has not been considered? Maybe I'm missing something that should be obvious, but the way I've played it out it seems to come to a better position to defend the pawn push. My thought behind this move is: White is ahead materially, we do not need to force anything -- let black make the first mistake. Moving our rook from the a file seems pretty rash at the moment. There are some tricky traps with this move but it seems like it can work. Again, I am not sure if I am missing something. Nf3 is my vote unless someone can show that this is certain doom. Also, just out of curiousity, I am not seeing why that Rc2 line is so bad for white (not that I find the position paritcularly appealing. How does the rook get pinned per se and what is the threat that we are trying to avoid? The best I can tell is that white can just narrowly escape black queening the pawn by trading rooks and black bishops. The knight stops the queening and the king can finish off the pawn. It seems a pretty drawish position with bishop and three pawns against knight and four pawns + Show Spoiler + For me, i didnt like 27.Nf3 because white king might get stuck on the first rank. Lines that I look at were 27. Nf3 d3 and here black is threatening to go Bc5+ so here 28. Rc1 is probably the best move except here black can just go 28. ...Bxa3 winning a pawn without losing tempo since if 29. Rc7 Kd8 30. Rxh7?? black just win with 30...Bc5+ 31. Kh1 Rb1. (contrast this with 27. Rc1 Bxa3 28. Rc7+ Kd8 29. Rxh7. and i feel that playing Rc1 here immediately is stronger than playing it after Nf3) Other moves after 27. Nf3 d3 i considered: If 28. Be3 Kd6 and black can win the d5 pawn without making any concession (such as giving up the 2 bishops). 28. Rd1 just too passive and black should be more than okay since we have no counter play and if 28. h3 our king can come out but it will be far from black d pass pawn so things might be a bit dangerous. Not saying that lines after 27.Nf3 doesn't work since things are still quite complicated, just that 27.Rc1 looks like its clearly better (in my eyes). | ||
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