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Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
December 14 2011 04:55 GMT
#2581
Will post in a few hours. You will get an extra day.

Didn't forget! Just eating dinner.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
December 14 2011 08:47 GMT
#2582
Move posted.

Next, please!

Sending out reminders.
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
December 14 2011 08:57 GMT
#2583
27. Rc1
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 09:16:45
December 14 2011 09:15 GMT
#2584
Rc1
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Goolpsy
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark301 Posts
December 14 2011 09:23 GMT
#2585
Imo, through the last couple of moves.. whites position has worsened considerably. Our pieces are very co-dependent and we're "a move behind"..

c1 keeps presure, but my intuition tells me Qf5 then Ne4 to close the gap in our defence, is the best choice.

Qf5
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
December 14 2011 12:55 GMT
#2586
On December 14 2011 18:23 Goolpsy wrote:
Qf5
That would be some trick.

27. Rc1
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
chesshaha
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1117 Posts
December 14 2011 13:49 GMT
#2587
27. Rc1
"Hopefully you're not the real TLO so it's not casted" - SpecialK
ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
December 14 2011 14:23 GMT
#2588
Wow we have a Queen now? o.O

Really though,

27. Rc1

seem like the only reasonable move at the moment.
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Mash2
Profile Joined February 2011
United States132 Posts
December 14 2011 14:25 GMT
#2589
Rc1
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Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
December 14 2011 18:33 GMT
#2590
Definitely voting Rc1.
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SausageLinks
Profile Joined December 2010
United States93 Posts
December 14 2011 18:59 GMT
#2591
27. Rc1
n00b never die
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
December 14 2011 19:48 GMT
#2592
I've posted some more analysis to the tree, beginning with 27. Rc1. I now think that the closest thing we had to a main line is refuted at move 29 (see here for details); therefore we should start reconsidering our plans as early as next move.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
liberal
Profile Joined November 2011
1116 Posts
December 14 2011 19:50 GMT
#2593
wow every person voted Rc1? I feel like we just keep giving black free moves. What does Rc1 do?

Ok so:

27. Rc1 d3! Black is preparing the move Rc2. What do we play?

28. Rc7+ Kd8 Now what?

29. Rc6 Bb7 Now there is no way to prevent Rc2.

Rc3 with the plan of Rxd3 doesn't work either, because black can pin our rook with bishop moves.


For now I'm going to vote Rb1. The rook exchange would be good to reduce the pressure on us, his rook on the seventh (technically second ) is very strong. If he decides not to trade, Rc2, then at least we have an open file with our rook and more options than Rc1 gives us. At some point we have options like d6, g4, or Rb6 to try and support our passed a pawn to promotion.
Goolpsy
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark301 Posts
December 14 2011 19:59 GMT
#2594
On December 14 2011 21:55 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 18:23 Goolpsy wrote:
Qf5
That would be some trick.

27. Rc1


hahaha thats not a queen?!
Im so blind :S

Rc1 is the only option
Raysalis
Profile Joined July 2010
Malaysia1034 Posts
December 14 2011 21:12 GMT
#2595
27. Rc1 yo
:)
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 22:22:20
December 14 2011 22:20 GMT
#2596
On December 15 2011 04:50 liberal wrote:
wow every person voted Rc1? I feel like we just keep giving black free moves. What does Rc1 do?

Ok so:

+ Show Spoiler +
27. Rc1 d3! Black is preparing the move Rc2. What do we play?

28. Rc7+ Kd8 Now what?

29. Rc6 Bb7 Now there is no way to prevent Rc2.

Rc3 with the plan of Rxd3 doesn't work either, because black can pin our rook with bishop moves.



For now I'm going to vote Rb1.+ Show Spoiler +
The rook exchange would be good to reduce the pressure on us, his rook on the seventh (technically second ) is very strong. If he decides not to trade, Rc2, then at least we have an open file with our rook and more options than Rc1 gives us. At some point we have options like d6, g4, or Rb6 to try and support our passed a pawn to promotion.
First of all, you should put your lines in spoilers so our opponent doesn't read them.

+ Show Spoiler [in response to your lines] +
I hadn't seen 27...d3, but you're right, it's looking very problematic. I spent a couple of hours looking at it, and I still don't have a good plan against it. Maybe there's some hope with 28. Kf1 (the idea being to get the King over to defend the Knight/d2 square), but if the best we have is to go back on the defensive, and we don't get the chance at a counter-offensive after all, then it does seem fairly useless to give up a pawn with 27. Rc1.

On the other hand, 27. Rb1 looks pretty bad to me. If we traded Rooks at this point, all of our isolated pawns would fall, and I don't think we'd have any chance at a win. Maybe we could get a draw.

At this point, I'm once again unsure what to do, so for now I'm going to change my vote to abstain. Maybe I'll change it to something like 27. h3: there aren't too many other possibilities...
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
wizard944
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
194 Posts
December 15 2011 02:24 GMT
#2597
27. Rc1
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HypertonicHydroponic
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
437 Posts
December 15 2011 03:29 GMT
#2598
Can someone please explain why Nf3 has not been considered? Maybe I'm missing something that should be obvious, but the way I've played it out it seems to come to a better position to defend the pawn push.

My thought behind this move is: White is ahead materially, we do not need to force anything -- let black make the first mistake. Moving our rook from the a file seems pretty rash at the moment. There are some tricky traps with this move but it seems like it can work. Again, I am not sure if I am missing something. Nf3 is my vote unless someone can show that this is certain doom.



Also, just out of curiousity, I am not seeing why that Rc2 line is so bad for white (not that I find the position paritcularly appealing. How does the rook get pinned per se and what is the threat that we are trying to avoid? The best I can tell is that white can just narrowly escape black queening the pawn by trading rooks and black bishops. The knight stops the queening and the king can finish off the pawn. It seems a pretty drawish position with bishop and three pawns against knight and four pawns
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dtvu
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia687 Posts
December 15 2011 23:37 GMT
#2599
27. Rc1
Raysalis
Profile Joined July 2010
Malaysia1034 Posts
December 16 2011 15:51 GMT
#2600
On December 15 2011 12:29 HypertonicHydroponic wrote:
Can someone please explain why Nf3 has not been considered? Maybe I'm missing something that should be obvious, but the way I've played it out it seems to come to a better position to defend the pawn push.

My thought behind this move is: White is ahead materially, we do not need to force anything -- let black make the first mistake. Moving our rook from the a file seems pretty rash at the moment. There are some tricky traps with this move but it seems like it can work. Again, I am not sure if I am missing something. Nf3 is my vote unless someone can show that this is certain doom.



Also, just out of curiousity, I am not seeing why that Rc2 line is so bad for white (not that I find the position paritcularly appealing. How does the rook get pinned per se and what is the threat that we are trying to avoid? The best I can tell is that white can just narrowly escape black queening the pawn by trading rooks and black bishops. The knight stops the queening and the king can finish off the pawn. It seems a pretty drawish position with bishop and three pawns against knight and four pawns


+ Show Spoiler +


For me, i didnt like 27.Nf3 because white king might get stuck on the first rank.

Lines that I look at were 27. Nf3 d3 and here black is threatening to go Bc5+ so here 28. Rc1 is probably the best move except here black can just go 28. ...Bxa3 winning a pawn without losing tempo since if 29. Rc7 Kd8 30. Rxh7?? black just win with 30...Bc5+ 31. Kh1 Rb1. (contrast this with 27. Rc1 Bxa3 28. Rc7+ Kd8 29. Rxh7. and i feel that playing Rc1 here immediately is stronger than playing it after Nf3)

Other moves after 27. Nf3 d3 i considered:
If 28. Be3 Kd6 and black can win the d5 pawn without making any concession (such as giving up the 2 bishops). 28. Rd1 just too passive and black should be more than okay since we have no counter play and if 28. h3 our king can come out but it will be far from black d pass pawn so things might be a bit dangerous.

Not saying that lines after 27.Nf3 doesn't work since things are still quite complicated, just that 27.Rc1 looks like its clearly better (in my eyes).

:)
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