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101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
July 25 2011 19:26 GMT
#1841
Expectations:
1. Daigo
2. Poongko
3. Nobody cares
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
DrBoo
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1177 Posts
July 25 2011 19:36 GMT
#1842
On July 26 2011 04:09 ZeraToss wrote:
expectations evo :

1.daigo
2.mago
3.tokido
4.vangief
5. wolfkrone



You don't give Mike Ross enough credit he came in 4th at Evo last year.
"DrBoo is an elaborate troll" -Pufftrees
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
July 25 2011 19:43 GMT
#1843
If I'm trying to guess as many top 8's as possible, I'll say

not in order: Daigo, Poongko OR Infiltration, Wolfkrone OR Latif, Xian, Hsien Chang, Momochi, Mago, Tokido.

Nevertheless there'll probably be like 4 upsets, including the 2011 person who we've never heard about lol, but thats just me going for as many top 8's as possible correct.

For Marvel, it'll be similar, probably a random phoenix player blows it up. but my guess will be

Jwong, Tokido, Viscant, FChamp, Combofiend, Chris G, +2randomphoenix or socal players (Fanatiq, ShadyK, among others come to mind).
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Mannerheim
Profile Joined April 2007
766 Posts
July 25 2011 19:45 GMT
#1844
Based on recent performances I'd put Latif up there, at least top 5. He just demolished so many top players in the SBO qualifiers, without dropping a single match.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
July 25 2011 19:55 GMT
#1845
On July 26 2011 03:51 O-ops wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 02:17 Excalibur_Z wrote:
On July 26 2011 01:58 myrmidon2537 wrote:
Since my friend and I are doing an EVO bracket game thingy, I started thinking if Ricky Ortiz has ever won an EVO/Battle at the bay series or has he just always placed high/came short?

Because really, he's overdue for one =\


Nope he's been 2nd at EVO like 5 times, and he says he wasn't really very good when the B's were going since he started getting good around 2000-2001.


LOL Ricky = FGC Yellow?


He hasn't won in EVO but he's won so many majors, its a huge stretch to call him FGC Yellow. He had that streak where he won like 3 straight majors on the West Coast late last year.

He got 5th in 3rd strike in 2003, 2nd at Evo 2004 and 2006 for CvS2 (both to Kindevu) and another 2nd place in CvS2 in 2007, 3rd in 2008. And of course 2nd place in last years SSF4.

But he's won NCR, WCW3, among other majors.

I don't really expect him to top 8 at Evo this weekend though, unless he switched to Yun and pulls out some fast technology

On July 26 2011 04:45 Mannerheim wrote:
Based on recent performances I'd put Latif up there, at least top 5. He just demolished so many top players in the SBO qualifiers, without dropping a single match.


Yeah Latif is sick good, but to be fair at SBO Qualifiers his toughest competition in terms of players were all good matchups for Viper.
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101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
July 25 2011 20:13 GMT
#1846
On July 26 2011 04:36 DrBoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 04:09 ZeraToss wrote:
expectations evo :

1.daigo
2.mago
3.tokido
4.vangief
5. wolfkrone



You don't give Mike Ross enough credit he came in 4th at Evo last year.

Honda got nerfed up the ass though
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
myrmidon2537
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Philippines2188 Posts
July 25 2011 20:46 GMT
#1847
Mike Ross, I want to put him in, but he usually either is so epic, or bombs hard. I have this feeling he's gonna bomb just because, no matter how good he is, I just have this feeling someone's going to lame him out before top 8.

Also, is gamerbee not going?

My MvC3 picks in spoiler (since its off-topic)
+ Show Spoiler +
1st. Justin
2nd. Tokido
3rd. Freida
4th. Chris G
5th. Combofiend - RyRy
7th. Marn - PR ROG

Reasoning: Justin because I want US salty runback and everything, Tokido is my favorite Jap player. If I'm to believe that Freida (Frida?)'s zero is really godlike because that zero knows how to lame it out, I will pick him above Chris G (who will out-clutch 90% of the people he faces).

After this, my mind ran a blank, I could've put viscant or Champ, but I feel that Phoenix could get picked off early (just as they could easily carry them early, its a bracket contest risk thingy), Didn't want to put nerdjosh because he seems to choke when it matters, same with floe. Fanatiq, I love, but he seems to still need to prove something.

Honestly, I don't know why RyRy is there tho
IPT.PromilKid: I'm only good at Marvel
Flicky
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
England2674 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-25 21:03:56
July 25 2011 21:03 GMT
#1848
On July 26 2011 05:46 myrmidon2537 wrote:

Also, is gamerbee not going?



He said on his twitter that he'd be at Evo. I'll find it for you.

http://twitter.com/#!/GamerBeeTW/status/88902112213348352
Liquipedia"I was seriously looking for a black guy" - MrHoon
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
July 25 2011 23:30 GMT
#1849
Theres no way Marn makes top 8 at evo lol, he hasn't played the game seriously in months.

And people act like Phoenix is a coinflip, but when a good player uses phoenix like clock champ viscant etc, they fucking BLOW THE FUCK UP out of average players.

Also, looking at pool stages for AE, it'll be interesting

Jwong has Nerdjosh and Jewelman, the evo online tournament winner who plays honda. That shouldn't be an issue

But pool 46 is out the ASS going to be competitive. Lamerboi, PR Rog, Starnab, and Singaporean Fei Long Gackt are all in that group. Just imagining that only 2 people are going to make it out is insane. and we don't even know who 10 of the other players in that group are.

Also, Kayopolice, Buktooth, xS A M U R A Ix (maybe have seen him on XBL) and KillerKai in the same group. Evo pool stages are gonna be pretty awesome.

On July 26 2011 05:13 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 04:36 DrBoo wrote:
On July 26 2011 04:09 ZeraToss wrote:
expectations evo :

1.daigo
2.mago
3.tokido
4.vangief
5. wolfkrone



You don't give Mike Ross enough credit he came in 4th at Evo last year.

Honda got nerfed up the ass though


It's not THAT bad. Honda can still hold his own, and his damage was pretty insane in super
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Kingkosi
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States1215 Posts
July 25 2011 23:51 GMT
#1850
1. Daigo
2. Justin Wong
3. Mago
4. Poonkgo/Tokido
5.Mike Ross/Ricky Ortiz

Can't wait until friday! There also supposed to have SxT playable there too! Is anyone from TL going?
Twitter: @KingKosi
Dizmaul
Profile Joined March 2010
United States831 Posts
July 25 2011 23:56 GMT
#1851
I'm so pumped for evo. I cant wait and zlasher isn't helping at all hah. SO MUCH HYPE!!
It is what it is
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
July 26 2011 00:30 GMT
#1852
On July 26 2011 05:13 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 04:36 DrBoo wrote:
On July 26 2011 04:09 ZeraToss wrote:
expectations evo :

1.daigo
2.mago
3.tokido
4.vangief
5. wolfkrone



You don't give Mike Ross enough credit he came in 4th at Evo last year.

Honda got nerfed up the ass though


If anything it seems the nerfs bring out more of Mike's potential.
Fan of the Jangbanger
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
July 26 2011 00:47 GMT
#1853
On July 26 2011 04:55 Zlasher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 03:51 O-ops wrote:
On July 26 2011 02:17 Excalibur_Z wrote:
On July 26 2011 01:58 myrmidon2537 wrote:
Since my friend and I are doing an EVO bracket game thingy, I started thinking if Ricky Ortiz has ever won an EVO/Battle at the bay series or has he just always placed high/came short?

Because really, he's overdue for one =\


Nope he's been 2nd at EVO like 5 times, and he says he wasn't really very good when the B's were going since he started getting good around 2000-2001.


LOL Ricky = FGC Yellow?


He hasn't won in EVO but he's won so many majors, its a huge stretch to call him FGC Yellow. He had that streak where he won like 3 straight majors on the West Coast late last year.

He got 5th in 3rd strike in 2003, 2nd at Evo 2004 and 2006 for CvS2 (both to Kindevu) and another 2nd place in CvS2 in 2007, 3rd in 2008. And of course 2nd place in last years SSF4.

But he's won NCR, WCW3, among other majors.

I don't really expect him to top 8 at Evo this weekend though, unless he switched to Yun and pulls out some fast technology

Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 04:45 Mannerheim wrote:
Based on recent performances I'd put Latif up there, at least top 5. He just demolished so many top players in the SBO qualifiers, without dropping a single match.


Yeah Latif is sick good, but to be fair at SBO Qualifiers his toughest competition in terms of players were all good matchups for Viper.


I think ppl dropping their mains and switching to the 3 kings is going to be the reason why very few U.S players are going to make top 8, to be honest. Japan (and anyone who sets their Xbox region to Japan) seems too far ahead on that technological advancements with the twins compare to U.S players. They have better twins and Fei's, and anyone who's not playing them are getting in some hella good practices against them.

And there's also the fact that switching doesn't guarantee that you'll play better. The U.S players who hadn't switch (Art, Mike Ross, Latif, and WolfKrone) are the ones who's currently doing better.

I don't know man. 2+ years of experience's a lot to pass up.
Fan of the Jangbanger
Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1936 Posts
July 26 2011 01:13 GMT
#1854
Yea, the people switching chars haven't had enough time to learn them thoroughly, especially in all the matchups, and everyone has to play unfamiliar matchups at evo.

Yalls top 8 picks are way too predictable. Think back to last year, Shizza, Henry Cen, etc. I think Vangeif is way overrated, although he probably could have fantastic success against JP players who don't know he can walking 720

I think Jakob002 will make top 8 in AE :> He's definitely got the potential, but a mental block thrice the size of idra's when it comes to tilting.

I expect Fanatiq to do well in mvc3, guy is pretty beast now that he can use both assist buttons. I don't personally like the guy but he always makes it hype. I'm hoping one of the EC mvc2 monsters can blow it up too, be it Yipes, Arroyo, Demon Hyo (the TL killer), etc. And I'm hoping Ranmasama can make top 16 at least.

I'm hyped
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
July 26 2011 01:19 GMT
#1855
Yipes might not even make it out of groups, he doesn't place particularly well in EC or even more specifically NYC events. Pretty evident he doesn't care much for the game. Not to mention he's in Combofiends group.

I don't see anyone in EC doing well in Marvel except for Chris G, sorry NerdJosh can top 3 every event in EC but he just eeks into top 3 against the second tier of socal players. Let alone Phoenix-land up in Norcal.
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O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 01:33:41
July 26 2011 01:25 GMT
#1856
On July 26 2011 10:13 Trumpet wrote:
Yea, the people switching chars haven't had enough time to learn them thoroughly, especially in all the matchups, and everyone has to play unfamiliar matchups at evo.

Yalls top 8 picks are way too predictable. Think back to last year, Shizza, Henry Cen, etc. I think Vangeif is way overrated, although he probably could have fantastic success against JP players who don't know he can walking 720

I think Jakob002 will make top 8 in AE :> He's definitely got the potential, but a mental block thrice the size of idra's when it comes to tilting.

I expect Fanatiq to do well in mvc3, guy is pretty beast now that he can use both assist buttons. I don't personally like the guy but he always makes it hype. I'm hoping one of the EC mvc2 monsters can blow it up too, be it Yipes, Arroyo, Demon Hyo (the TL killer), etc. And I'm hoping Ranmasama can make top 16 at least.

I'm hyped


Many Japanese players who may be coming here are 3s OGs who had to deal with Hayao's red parry into 720 super bullshit . Prolly take em a game or so to adjust, not much more.

I personally want to see ppl expose EMP for the frauds they are. Always ticks me off to see them playing in a major winning teams in both events and then see them getting bodied in singles - in both events.



DAIGO WHO?
Fan of the Jangbanger
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
July 26 2011 02:19 GMT
#1857
Theres no way Marn makes top 8 at evo lol, he hasn't played the game seriously in months.


Marn said something came up and he can no longer attend EVO.
Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1936 Posts
July 26 2011 02:30 GMT
#1858
lol @ ops. both those 720s were buffered. Empty jump 720 is super common, parry 720 is not uncommon either. Vangief just walks up to you, no buffering at all, not even a normal. Big difference.
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
July 26 2011 02:43 GMT
#1859
On July 26 2011 11:30 Trumpet wrote:
lol @ ops. both those 720s were buffered. Empty jump 720 is super common, parry 720 is not uncommon either. Vangief just walks up to you, no buffering at all, not even a normal. Big difference.


lol, i know that. Didn't show that vid as example of a raw 720. I was scrolling through youtube looking back at old 3s matches, stumped upon this, and was like "....".

Standing 720, walking 720, 720 on reaction to punish dash-ins, parry into 720 ON REACTION, you name it, he did it. I mean, for god's sake, he was so godlike at it "720 like Hayao" became an expression lol.

Fan of the Jangbanger
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12252 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 04:35:11
July 26 2011 04:07 GMT
#1860
On July 26 2011 11:30 Trumpet wrote:
lol @ ops. both those 720s were buffered. Empty jump 720 is super common, parry 720 is not uncommon either. Vangief just walks up to you, no buffering at all, not even a normal. Big difference.


Naw Vangief's method is a little different. He just abuses the very long buffer window in SF4. He does 6321+lk4741236+PPP which throws out a crouching LK, then lets him walk forward a little bit and instantly 720. So he does buffer a normal, it's just a while before the actual ultra comes out.

I know Desk has another method where he does 6321478963214+lk~PPP where the ~ denotes plinking or kara timing. This has the effect of kara canceling 360k into Ultra on the first frame, effectively granting 7 pre-jump frames instead of Zangief's normal 6 and therefore allowing a standing 720. It's possible to do it without the kara cancel too but even more exacting. I haven't seen anyone put that method to use in a tournament setting though.
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