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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
July 01 2014 02:19 GMT
#10921
On July 01 2014 05:45 KtheZ wrote:
New Garruk's -3/+1 nuke planeswalker reminds me a lot of Vraska actually, and she wasn't really played all that much in standard iirc.

I don't really play standard tho, just Modern so forgive if I compare everything to modern.


Vraska was fine, she just was in the wrong colors. Want to play her in a control shell? Sphinx's Rev and Verdict just dominated all of the control shells.
Get it by your hands...
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
July 02 2014 14:46 GMT
#10922
M15 looks like it's gonna go down as the best core set, power wise.

Very interesting set.
The legend of Darien lives on
Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
July 02 2014 14:54 GMT
#10923
I'm really psyched for M15. Lots of cool stuff going on.
@Drayxs | Drayxs.221 | Drayxs#1802
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
July 02 2014 20:46 GMT
#10924
young pyromaster and a convoke burn spell in standard once m15 hits
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
July 02 2014 23:04 GMT
#10925
I can see it replacing some number of Helix (probably 1 or 2) and maybe the single main deck mortars in R/W burn.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
July 02 2014 23:31 GMT
#10926
On July 01 2014 05:45 KtheZ wrote:
New Garruk's -3/+1 nuke planeswalker reminds me a lot of Vraska actually, and she wasn't really played all that much in standard iirc.

I don't really play standard tho, just Modern so forgive if I compare everything to modern.


Except Vraska is just a bad card in general.

New Garruk seems a lot more comparable to Bolas, to me. Good board control for his +'s, good spot removal for his cheap -, and an ultimate that isn't a must use, but will probably be available to use.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
July 02 2014 23:39 GMT
#10927
On July 03 2014 08:31 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 05:45 KtheZ wrote:
New Garruk's -3/+1 nuke planeswalker reminds me a lot of Vraska actually, and she wasn't really played all that much in standard iirc.

I don't really play standard tho, just Modern so forgive if I compare everything to modern.


Except Vraska is just a bad card in general.

New Garruk seems a lot more comparable to Bolas, to me. Good board control for his +'s, good spot removal for his cheap -, and an ultimate that isn't a must use, but will probably be available to use.


Vraska would also be played a lot more if it was +loyalty instead of -loyalty.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
July 03 2014 02:29 GMT
#10928
On July 03 2014 08:31 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 05:45 KtheZ wrote:
New Garruk's -3/+1 nuke planeswalker reminds me a lot of Vraska actually, and she wasn't really played all that much in standard iirc.

I don't really play standard tho, just Modern so forgive if I compare everything to modern.


Except Vraska is just a bad card in general.

New Garruk seems a lot more comparable to Bolas, to me. Good board control for his +'s, good spot removal for his cheap -, and an ultimate that isn't a must use, but will probably be available to use.


? It wasn't a bad card, it was just GB was the last set of lands to be released, the color never played into the controlling shell that Vraska wanted, it just didn't do anything given the color identity of this set.
Get it by your hands...
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
July 03 2014 09:14 GMT
#10929
On July 03 2014 05:46 RoieTRS wrote:
young pyromaster and a convoke burn spell in standard once m15 hits

Don't forget Sharpnel Blast + Darksteel Citadel.

I feel like Artifacts-Red Burn could be very good in the next few months.
The legend of Darien lives on
annedeman
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands350 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-03 10:10:55
July 03 2014 10:08 GMT
#10930
On July 02 2014 23:46 mr_tolkien wrote:
M15 looks like it's gonna go down as the best core set, power wise.

Very interesting set.

M12 was considerably more powerfull:
day of judgement, gideon jura, titans, mana leak, solemn simulacrum, birds of paradise, good removal, elvish archdruid, good garruk, rampant growth, dun grove elder, chandra's phoenix, grim lavamancer, timely reinforcements, much played colour hoser cycle
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mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
July 03 2014 13:03 GMT
#10931
True. M12 was kinda crazy, especially the Titans.
The legend of Darien lives on
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
July 05 2014 07:46 GMT
#10932
Weird that they'd print out Divine Favor without Unholy Favor.

Anyway, what colors do you guys think will play solid for the pre release?
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
July 05 2014 19:00 GMT
#10933
+ Show Spoiler [Promos] +
[image loading]


In terms of promos, I think black is the best. I think White and Green are pretty equal, then followed by Blue and Red.

I haven't really looked at the commons and uncommons though, which I think should factor more into your choice.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
July 05 2014 20:23 GMT
#10934
But...but the blue promo is exactly as good as all the others because it clones them right? Right...?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-05 20:30:29
July 05 2014 20:29 GMT
#10935
"creature you control"

If you open blue and white one you can gain infinitely up to 20 life, which is nice. Removal seems weak in this set?
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
July 06 2014 05:15 GMT
#10936
Blue doesn't look to be overly convincing though..
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
July 08 2014 10:14 GMT
#10937
Pretty sure white has the best sealed pool for Pre-releases.
The legend of Darien lives on
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
July 08 2014 21:51 GMT
#10938
Double posting but for a good cause. I'll be farming MtGO in preparation to GP Utrecht, with GB Graveyard.

I'm posting because I'll be compiling every single match result. Here it is :
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19CvnXuK7mYj40dUtxeItjCFHmxfZGUqEGofvE-d0uq4/edit#gid=0

I can explain how certain match-ups work if anybody's curious.
The legend of Darien lives on
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-09 12:55:08
July 09 2014 05:36 GMT
#10939
Oh guys, if you want to practice deck building for the pre-release/sealed format, I found an online generator.

http://www.magicdrafting.com/sealed-m15/?color=1

On July 08 2014 19:14 mr_tolkien wrote:
Pretty sure white has the best sealed pool for Pre-releases.

Me too, White or Red.

Black is a huge coin flip. They have great bombs and removals, but at the same time, it has those rares that you don't want to open up in a Pre-Release setting like Waste Not, In Garruks Wake, and that Necromancer thing. White/Red would be safer if you don't want the irl RNG to screw you up.

However, what I see with white is that you'll end up having tons of small tokens, pumped by the paragon, and hopefully you open a good bomb (Seraph of the Masses, for example) cuz otherwise, your opponents bombs would slowly eat away at your tokens.

Red is a pretty good color cuz of the good removals and bombs. Generator Servant works great with any color, and with green, you can put down the 6-7 bomb drops 2 turns earlier and they get haste.
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
Ghin
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States2391 Posts
July 10 2014 12:29 GMT
#10940
I'm seriously considering blowing 50 bucks and buying a mono-red control deck, driving around, and stomping some tournaments for prize money. Shrapnel Blast, Eidolon of the Great Revel, Searing Blood? There are so many decent red cards that I feel like I'm missing something really huge and obvious about why this wouldn't work.
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