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RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
June 27 2014 08:57 GMT
#10901
how do uwr and uwb and uw compare to eachother
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Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
June 27 2014 09:05 GMT
#10902
what format?
GoSuNamhciR
Profile Joined May 2010
125 Posts
June 27 2014 10:29 GMT
#10903
What format and what type of deck.. midrange, tempo, control, etc?
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
June 27 2014 12:52 GMT
#10904
On June 27 2014 15:31 Cixah wrote:
I don't like new Jace.

I think it is a bad Jace.

At last :D
The legend of Darien lives on
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
June 27 2014 13:00 GMT
#10905
On June 27 2014 21:52 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2014 15:31 Cixah wrote:
I don't like new Jace.

I think it is a bad Jace.

At last :D

Well, Memory Adept was pretty mediocre in constructed(although completely bonkers in limited)
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mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
June 27 2014 13:44 GMT
#10906
Memory Adept saw quite a lot of play in Control sideboards. It's a big trump in the mirror/against monoB, as it's a 4-turns win condition you can hardly interact with.
The legend of Darien lives on
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
June 27 2014 13:46 GMT
#10907
On June 27 2014 22:44 mr_tolkien wrote:
Memory Adept saw quite a lot of play in Control sideboards. It's a big trump in the mirror/against monoB, as it's a 4-turns win condition you can hardly interact with.

I don't remember seeing it as more than, like, a 1 or 2 of, and only in more control heavy metas.
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mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
June 27 2014 14:49 GMT
#10908
Yeah, the card is only here for when Rev Decks and monoB decks are too dominant.

The card by itself is good, providing a win condition and card advantage.
The legend of Darien lives on
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
June 27 2014 15:16 GMT
#10909
On June 27 2014 17:57 RoieTRS wrote:
how do uwr and uwb and uw compare to eachother


I assume standard since Modern doesn't really have those colors (I know they do, but their quality is very obvious) and Legacy is whatever.

I would argue that Esper (UWB) is weakest right now, Black doesn't bring a whole lot to the table right now except in the control mirrors. You'll beat the UW matchup pretty much every day since you have access to Duress and Thoughtseize along with Ashiok. The problem with this deck is its mana base, it needs to be able to produce WW, UU, BB by turn 4, that's a very tall order. The ability to interact at instant speed is a boon against RGx monsters since Mistcutter and Stormbreath aren't as big as they are against the other two UW variants. Access to Obzedat (if you want to stretch your mana base even more) and Blood Baron means you have more play against mid rangey decks. The mana base really holds it back though.

UWR is probably underplayed since the mana base is just as bad and the concept of the deck revolves around 2 ideas that are good separately, but terrible together. Your removal isn't as good as Black's, your inevitability though is better with Assemble the Legion (though not recently with enchantment hate). In a straight up comparison I would say that this deck COULD be tuned more, but nobody really wants to and nobody really knows how bad/good it is in the meta. Also, Keranos doesn't go in this deck as much as people think. On turn 5, you really need to do something and not durdle into the 6th turn, hope Keranos will do something.

UW is the best simply because of the mana base, its consistent, lets you run Mutavault without making you feel like a dirty miser. You have all the relevant tools and all of the relevant strategies from the other decks. Your control mirrors are fair, your aggro match ups are fair. All in all, it's a well rounded deck. I would recommend Reid Duke's article on this deck recently, I agree with his assessments pretty much down the line. Jace-4 is very underwhelming in this deck.
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deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
June 30 2014 06:05 GMT
#10910
7 mana Garruk is hilarious. Unplayable, but hilarious.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
June 30 2014 06:59 GMT
#10911
Playing lands out of order in Legacy gets you killed.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
June 30 2014 06:59 GMT
#10912
On June 30 2014 15:05 deth2munkies wrote:
7 mana Garruk is hilarious. Unplayable, but hilarious.


If people paid 7 mana for karn, people will pay 7 mana for this.
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GoSuNamhciR
Profile Joined May 2010
125 Posts
June 30 2014 07:05 GMT
#10913
The 7 mana garruk is very powerful, especially when you consider that Green has access to ramp. The card will win the game in 2-3 turns if not dealt immediately. One of the strongest closing planeswalkers since karn.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
June 30 2014 09:20 GMT
#10914
Yeah I would be really amazed if he didn't see any play. 6 CMC Garruk saw play even with having no impact on the board when you play him. That goes to show !
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Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
June 30 2014 11:10 GMT
#10915
6 mana Garruk usually drew 2-3 cards and required an answer though. I'm not saying this Garruk won't see play...I'm just very skeptical if he'll be in top tier decks or not. (The G/B devotion lists would love this I'd imagine.)
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
June 30 2014 17:36 GMT
#10916
I don't think he's insane, but I would be surprised if Garruk saw no play in T1 decks over his lifetime in Standard.
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KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
June 30 2014 19:28 GMT
#10917
On June 30 2014 15:59 Cixah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 15:05 deth2munkies wrote:
7 mana Garruk is hilarious. Unplayable, but hilarious.


If people paid 7 mana for karn, people will pay 7 mana for this.


Can't really tron out garruk
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
June 30 2014 20:22 GMT
#10918
On July 01 2014 04:28 KtheZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 15:59 Cixah wrote:
On June 30 2014 15:05 deth2munkies wrote:
7 mana Garruk is hilarious. Unplayable, but hilarious.


If people paid 7 mana for karn, people will pay 7 mana for this.


Can't really tron out garruk

Ramp and control played a couple of copies of Karn as a finisher when he was Standard legal
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KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
June 30 2014 20:45 GMT
#10919
New Garruk's -3/+1 nuke planeswalker reminds me a lot of Vraska actually, and she wasn't really played all that much in standard iirc.

I don't really play standard tho, just Modern so forgive if I compare everything to modern.
Greenhit
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States200 Posts
June 30 2014 22:36 GMT
#10920
killing a planeswalker and getting well out of burn range is going to be pretty good. Heroes downfall is still a card, though.
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