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wunsun
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada622 Posts
April 10 2012 04:49 GMT
#3061
Wow, the angel shut does so many cards. No shocklands in the near future?
Urth
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1254 Posts
April 10 2012 04:50 GMT
#3062
killing wave is awful
BY.HERO FIGHTING!!!!
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
April 10 2012 04:53 GMT
#3063
On April 10 2012 13:50 Urth wrote:
killing wave is awful


Not really. Aggressive decks like tapping out, then it's basically a Damnation for the cost of a Doom Blade.
last.resistance
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada543 Posts
April 10 2012 04:55 GMT
#3064
On April 10 2012 13:53 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 13:50 Urth wrote:
killing wave is awful


Not really. Aggressive decks like tapping out, then it's basically a Damnation for the cost of a Doom Blade.

It's life not mana.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
April 10 2012 05:01 GMT
#3065
On April 10 2012 13:55 last.resistance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 13:53 deth2munkies wrote:
On April 10 2012 13:50 Urth wrote:
killing wave is awful


Not really. Aggressive decks like tapping out, then it's basically a Damnation for the cost of a Doom Blade.

It's life not mana.

Then it's terrible.
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
April 10 2012 05:36 GMT
#3066
Wow for an 8 mana green creature, that is actually super solid. Limited talk right here.

I kind of like Killing Wave. It's situational and no superstar, but it can be used to put yourself in a really nice position. Life in this Standard format trickles away quickly. 1 of in Zombies?
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Meta
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States6226 Posts
April 10 2012 06:21 GMT
#3067
Killing wave will be awesome in my teneb edh deck. but that's about it.
good vibes only
huameng
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1133 Posts
April 10 2012 06:39 GMT
#3068
On April 10 2012 13:49 wunsun wrote:
Wow, the angel shut does so many cards. No shocklands in the near future?


Are we sure the angel shuts down shocklands? I don't think you are activating an ability when you pay 2 to put them into play untapped. I think it's a replacement effect instead.
skating
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
April 10 2012 06:51 GMT
#3069
I really, really, really want to play RUG or some sort of Naya. Both seem like longshots, though.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
bobbob
Profile Joined December 2009
United States368 Posts
April 10 2012 07:00 GMT
#3070
Shocklands deal damage, not pay life. What the angel DOES shut down is fetchlands, but it's not as big of an issue because fetchlands already on the board can get popped in response. Overall you have to pay WWW1 for a 3/3 flier lord, I don't think any deck wants to make the triple white commitment for a card that doesn't really shut down anything major at that point in the game.

Apparently Personal Tutors are going out of stock everywhere. My friend came up with Insidious Dreams if you could ever manage to resolve one, for the 4x time walk in a row, still unlikely although funny.
DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
April 10 2012 19:48 GMT
#3071
While I was drafting last night some one mentioned that he heard that some rather well known player/writer stole several binders at a large tournament recently and then tried to sell them to the dealers. Does anyone know anything about this, or is it just a rumor?
I can already see the ending
dignity
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada908 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 21:22:16
April 10 2012 21:20 GMT
#3072
Guys... the angel does not shut down shock lands or the low costed black creatures that require sacrifice. Those are all triggers, not spells or activated abilities. Reading is tech.

The angel will shut down pod, it will shut down things like phyrexian mana. It will shut down stuff like Griselbrand's activated ability. It will not shut down stuff like the upkeep triggers for the revealed demon.
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
April 10 2012 22:08 GMT
#3073
Dig, is right in that it doesn't stop Shocks, but it does stop fetches. Kinda neat in Legacy or Modern maybe? Stops the crap out of Phyrexian Mana though.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 23:07:25
April 10 2012 23:06 GMT
#3074
On April 11 2012 07:08 Cixah wrote:
Dig, is right in that it doesn't stop Shocks, but it does stop fetches. Kinda neat in Legacy or Modern maybe? Stops the crap out of Phyrexian Mana though.


In Legacy it's a 4 mana card with a huge color requirement that doesn't win you the game and doesn't affect the board if it dies immediately, I don't see it getting played.

Modern maybe, it would go nice in that hatebears deck.

It'd be huge in block if there's a demon/sacrifice subtheme going on, since black in general this block has a huge sacrifice theme to pair with Morbid.
hkf
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia354 Posts
April 11 2012 02:42 GMT
#3075
On April 11 2012 06:20 dignity wrote:
Guys... the angel does not shut down shock lands or the low costed black creatures that require sacrifice. Those are all triggers, not spells or activated abilities. Reading is tech.

The angel will shut down pod, it will shut down things like phyrexian mana. It will shut down stuff like Griselbrand's activated ability. It will not shut down stuff like the upkeep triggers for the revealed demon.

False. Shocklands have a replacement effect which affect how they come into play. Understanding the rules is tech.
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
April 11 2012 03:04 GMT
#3076
On April 11 2012 11:42 hkf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 06:20 dignity wrote:
Guys... the angel does not shut down shock lands or the low costed black creatures that require sacrifice. Those are all triggers, not spells or activated abilities. Reading is tech.

The angel will shut down pod, it will shut down things like phyrexian mana. It will shut down stuff like Griselbrand's activated ability. It will not shut down stuff like the upkeep triggers for the revealed demon.

False. Shocklands have a replacement effect which affect how they come into play. Understanding the rules is tech.



I believe it does stop shock lands as they read "you may pay 2 life" and the angel reads "Players can't pay life"

On the other thing I don't know that so I wont comment.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-11 03:10:13
April 11 2012 03:07 GMT
#3077
On April 11 2012 12:04 Shotcoder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 11:42 hkf wrote:
On April 11 2012 06:20 dignity wrote:
Guys... the angel does not shut down shock lands or the low costed black creatures that require sacrifice. Those are all triggers, not spells or activated abilities. Reading is tech.

The angel will shut down pod, it will shut down things like phyrexian mana. It will shut down stuff like Griselbrand's activated ability. It will not shut down stuff like the upkeep triggers for the revealed demon.

False. Shocklands have a replacement effect which affect how they come into play. Understanding the rules is tech.



I believe it does stop shock lands as they read "you may pay 2 life" and the angel reads "Players can't pay life"

On the other thing I don't know that so I wont comment.


That's what hkf is saying. In either case: http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Replacement_effect. Reading up is nice.

Edit: I should clarify that hfk is saying that it's not a triggered ability. It won't stop shocklands.
Get it by your hands...
last.resistance
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada543 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-11 04:28:18
April 11 2012 04:18 GMT
#3078
Guess what time it is?

Try to break this Blue Rare Enchantment for the set:
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I hope they don't print a pinger at common in this set:
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I'm glad they didn't give this evasion of some sort:
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Angel Statue:
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Combat math just got a little messy, it's the R/W legendary mythic angel:
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A couple thoughts:
Arcane Melee seems too slow to make something out of it. Many people will try though.
I wonder if they are printing vertical cycles for the soulbond guys. We've seen a common and uncommon in U, and a rare in W.
The tomb is solid in limited, especially if you have any flash creatures.
The legendary mythic angel cycle appears to be costed XCWW, and exclude B. Avacyn is 5WWW, so that counts.
Gisela seems like a one of in Frites, as if you can untap with it you can attack for 10 first strike, and it's pretty difficult to kill through combat.
bobbob
Profile Joined December 2009
United States368 Posts
April 11 2012 04:27 GMT
#3079
It won't be messy so much as one sided. So many cards in this set will become EDH staples, pretty awesome.
dignity
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada908 Posts
April 11 2012 04:58 GMT
#3080
In either case it does not stop shock lands. The shock lands are neither a spell or activated ability, so you can pay the life. hkf is just poking me for getting it wrong from be saying it is a trigger, when in reality it is a replacement effect.

Arcane mastery is going to be used for edh, nothing else.
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