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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
April 12 2012 05:46 GMT
#3101
The moon people isn't totally a stretch. Innistrad's moon is relevant and they did need a new blue aligned walker since Venser is no longer alive. The problem is going to be where they take this. Remember Bolas wanted Liliana to take the Veil and go on a demon killing spree. Bolas is the driving force behind of all of these shitty things happening to these planes. The only things that is relevant to Bolas on this plane is Avacyn (unlikely since its a Sorin creation), and the moon. This walker gives it some credibility. I am more interested on how this walker and her information will tie into Bolas' plans. It's a little out of place sure, but so was Gideon Jura on Zendikar.
Get it by your hands...
Rainofpain
Profile Joined December 2010
United States125 Posts
April 12 2012 12:03 GMT
#3102
What do you guys use to play and test? I like Cockatrice, it`s like playing a real game of MTG except we can`t talk.

I`d like to find some good players to fine tune my B/W semi budget tokens deck against, the average person on cockatrice is usually playing some deck that they made "on my own, using top decks is uncreative". Also, the last game I played a guy who kept a 3 huntsmaster hand...

My username is Monsoon on Cockatrice but I will use other programs if I you want me to.
It`s hard to read bad players because they`re bad - Idra
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
April 12 2012 14:29 GMT
#3103
On April 12 2012 14:46 Judicator wrote:
The moon people isn't totally a stretch. Innistrad's moon is relevant and they did need a new blue aligned walker since Venser is no longer alive. The problem is going to be where they take this. Remember Bolas wanted Liliana to take the Veil and go on a demon killing spree. Bolas is the driving force behind of all of these shitty things happening to these planes. The only things that is relevant to Bolas on this plane is Avacyn (unlikely since its a Sorin creation), and the moon. This walker gives it some credibility. I am more interested on how this walker and her information will tie into Bolas' plans. It's a little out of place sure, but so was Gideon Jura on Zendikar.


How is she connected to Bolas? It doesn't say a darn thing about Bolas in her "lore" and I honestly doubt it will. Every walker so far has had a real reason to be in the set they were in (bar Lorwyn, but that was a development issue more than a story one), there is no reason to put a moonfolk in here even if she is "researching" the plane, there's nothing that can come from that because we know we aren't seeing Innistrad ever again.
last.resistance
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada543 Posts
April 13 2012 00:10 GMT
#3104
Rare Green Miracle:
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[image loading]
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
April 13 2012 01:00 GMT
#3105
On April 12 2012 23:29 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 14:46 Judicator wrote:
The moon people isn't totally a stretch. Innistrad's moon is relevant and they did need a new blue aligned walker since Venser is no longer alive. The problem is going to be where they take this. Remember Bolas wanted Liliana to take the Veil and go on a demon killing spree. Bolas is the driving force behind of all of these shitty things happening to these planes. The only things that is relevant to Bolas on this plane is Avacyn (unlikely since its a Sorin creation), and the moon. This walker gives it some credibility. I am more interested on how this walker and her information will tie into Bolas' plans. It's a little out of place sure, but so was Gideon Jura on Zendikar.


How is she connected to Bolas? It doesn't say a darn thing about Bolas in her "lore" and I honestly doubt it will. Every walker so far has had a real reason to be in the set they were in (bar Lorwyn, but that was a development issue more than a story one), there is no reason to put a moonfolk in here even if she is "researching" the plane, there's nothing that can come from that because we know we aren't seeing Innistrad ever again.


It doesn't have to say Bolas to tie it to Bolas. She's there for the moon. Bolas has some kind of ties to this plane, he didn't push Liliana to the Veil without a reason. The whole story isn't revealed yet and it would not surprise me if Bolas had some plan to tap the power of the most powerful symbol in the Innistrad plane. He's not sending his agents to random places, he specifically wants these walkers doing things for him. Also Bolas already been established to have contact with the Kamigawa plane, extensively. It's not that far of stretch to say Moonfolk is interested in Innistrad's moon on the account of Bolas. This isn't that far off from Gideon Jura being on Zendikar for Rise.
Get it by your hands...
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
April 13 2012 01:53 GMT
#3106
On April 13 2012 09:10 last.resistance wrote:
Rare Green Miracle:
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[image loading]


Ooooooooohhhh. I'd first pick that sucker all day. It's a hard swallow at six and even if you miracle it, your opponent might cast a removal on your target of choice - but it can easily be a two for one + damage - maybe even a Plague Winds if you're opponent has poor 3 and 4 drops.

Not so good for Standard, unfortunately.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
April 13 2012 02:39 GMT
#3107
On April 13 2012 10:53 slyboogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 09:10 last.resistance wrote:
Rare Green Miracle:
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[image loading]


Ooooooooohhhh. I'd first pick that sucker all day. It's a hard swallow at six and even if you miracle it, your opponent might cast a removal on your target of choice - but it can easily be a two for one + damage - maybe even a Plague Winds if you're opponent has poor 3 and 4 drops.

Not so good for Standard, unfortunately.


Not terrible for Standard either. I can see this in the aggro mirror for all the green decks.
Get it by your hands...
hkf
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia354 Posts
April 13 2012 02:49 GMT
#3108
Has any pump spell that cost more than 2 ever been constructed playable?
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lol no
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-13 02:59:54
April 13 2012 02:58 GMT
#3109
They could have at least made it an instant so it would be worth casting for 6 in the green mirrors, but as is, it's pretty darn awful. I'd first pick it too though
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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
April 13 2012 03:50 GMT
#3110
On April 13 2012 11:49 hkf wrote:
Has any pump spell that cost more than 2 ever been constructed playable?
+ Show Spoiler +
lol no


It's just a one of to alpha strike, not that bad as a one of.
Get it by your hands...
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
April 13 2012 04:05 GMT
#3111
Christ that Red PW is like unplayable.
Get it by your hands...
hkf
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia354 Posts
April 13 2012 04:11 GMT
#3112
On April 13 2012 13:05 Judicator wrote:
Christ that Red PW is like unplayable.

Yup agreed. Absolutely horrible. Even if the -4 was half price at -2 it would be worse than Sudden Impact and co. Expect this one to hit the $5 mythic pile.
wunsun
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada622 Posts
April 13 2012 04:20 GMT
#3113
Maybe there are gonna be some cards that somehow gel with it? Don't see how, but that's the only hope I have.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
April 13 2012 04:22 GMT
#3114
On April 13 2012 09:10 last.resistance wrote:
Rare Green Miracle:
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[image loading]


doesn't this kind of card make the game more luck based and less strategy based?
wunsun
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada622 Posts
April 13 2012 04:30 GMT
#3115
I would say that it changes the game, and does introduce more luck into the game. That's what I thought when miracles were first announced. However, it introduces a new element in the game. During the early game, for one mana, getting a 6 more damage throuhg can be game changing. But it's probably dosen't get the most use of the card. To play the miracle, you are forced to play it that turn, and maybe you had some other plans that didn't involve drawing this card.

Basically, at least to me, miracles change the game. However, when the miracle cost is releveant early in the game, the card is as useful as it can be in late game. Mid game, seems somewhat dangerous though.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
April 13 2012 04:43 GMT
#3116
On April 13 2012 13:22 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 09:10 last.resistance wrote:
Rare Green Miracle:
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[image loading]


doesn't this kind of card make the game more luck based and less strategy based?


Well in the long run, no. Basically if you are hoping for literal Miracle top decks, no it doesn't. The problem comes for the blue miracle where blue mages have effects like scry and brainstorm level effects like the namesake card, Ponder and Jace. That is a problem. If people going to stick 4 of every or rather any miracle cards and hope to get there, they won't.

My only beef is that in limited, this is table flipping tilt, like this is worse than tron-ing up an Invisible Stalker. Like herp derp, I drew this card, play it for R, you're dead, play it for G, you got wrathed for 2 cards MAYBE, etc.
Get it by your hands...
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
April 13 2012 04:49 GMT
#3117
Top decking in Limited is sweeeeeet. Play enough and you'll probably see every stupid possibility...ever.

Top decking a Snapcaster at 4 life to get back Cling Mists for the most bodacious crackback ever? I'm not proud of it but it happened.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-13 04:53:58
April 13 2012 04:53 GMT
#3118
2 mana planeswalker:

[image loading]

He looks like he might be good in a burn deck, but I'm very wary about having to discard at random to tick him up.

That said, filtering is filtering and if you manage to discard excess lands and draw more burn spells, you'll have a happy day.
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
April 13 2012 05:03 GMT
#3119
That is a well dressed dude but will that fabulous Victorian shirt make anyone ever play into an Insurrection?
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
wunsun
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-13 05:07:34
April 13 2012 05:06 GMT
#3120
On April 13 2012 13:43 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 13:22 travis wrote:
On April 13 2012 09:10 last.resistance wrote:
Rare Green Miracle:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


doesn't this kind of card make the game more luck based and less strategy based?


Well in the long run, no. Basically if you are hoping for literal Miracle top decks, no it doesn't. The problem comes for the blue miracle where blue mages have effects like scry and brainstorm level effects like the namesake card, Ponder and Jace. That is a problem. If people going to stick 4 of every or rather any miracle cards and hope to get there, they won't.

My only beef is that in limited, this is table flipping tilt, like this is worse than tron-ing up an Invisible Stalker. Like herp derp, I drew this card, play it for R, you're dead, play it for G, you got wrathed for 2 cards MAYBE, etc.


Time walk is the only one I am really worried about.
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