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On September 06 2010 11:28 r33k wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 11:21 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
I love people who handicap themselves and the team by picking terrible champions. And then they expect for you to not blame them. What do I expect? Don't pick shitty champions. If someone plays terrible it's easier to just blame the person who picked the shitty champion, because you probably aren't going to be very good no matter how well you play. Absolutely true. Some carries can be babysat and will pay off later (think akali, corki, ashe), but those who cant fucking hold a solo lane or who pick say tf or kass after ez first pick are just incredibly gimping the team. My problem is not even with picking terrible champs per se, it's about not looking at what your team needs and just picking something completely retarded for the situation you're in. Also is it just my impression or does every eve player also play trynd or vice versa? Whenever I see one in the champ selection screen the team start spamming WTF EVE SUCKS SRSLY PICK SOMETHING ELSE OMG and the genius (if he is able to read) always picks trynd...
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Kass isn't a bad pick.
As someone who plays at high elo and mains Nidalee/Kassadin, I take offense from that.
I'm not fucking gimping the team by picking a champion that isn't "imbalanced". I'm gimping a team if I play bad, regardless if I am playing Kassadin or Garen.
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On September 06 2010 12:07 HazMat wrote:
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Kass isn't a bad pick.
As someone who plays at high elo and mains Nidalee/Kassadin, I take offense from that.
I'm not fucking gimping the team by picking a champion that isn't "imbalanced". I'm gimping a team if I play bad, regardless if I am playing Kassadin or Garen.
He didn't say kass was bad. He was making a comparison about picking a champion when someone has already picked a counter (someone picks Yi, then you get someone who picks ashe. You know yi is going to take cleanse just so he can kill ashe whenever he wants). For the most part, if you don't have an escape mechanism (teleport or punt), a speed increase/slow, a stun, something to mitigate damage, a massive damage attack, in some combination, your champion is going to get destroyed because you lack what is necessary to either survive or get a kill. What's needed to be a tank is different.
This is why someone like Nidalee is good, but akali is bad. Kass is one of the few champions that could counter ez because he has a shorter CD on his teleport, and that's why they ban ez, you need a champion with a better teleport or some magic way to destroy him quickly.
The squishiness of a champion is a different matter.
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I was responding to the person who said you're gimping a team by picking champs that aren't considered top tier which I totally disagree with.
Guess I quoted wrong
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I sense another basketball analogy inc.
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AP taric not getting my ultimate until 14 am i doing it rite guyz?
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Incidentally Kass is a counter to Ez, not the other way around.
Also according to many "top" players Kassadin is as bad as Mundo.
Soooo
Aderp derp.
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gayest game ever
i was the kennen and i zoned out the kogmaw and got ahead 2 lvls and the score count was 20-10 25 mins into the game. we took out both of their inhibs at around 27 mins and they just camped at there base. i didnt know what to do cause kogmaw had around 300 creep by 40 mins and we couldnt get into their base because of the kogmaws ability to drop us. i tried to tell ww to ulti kogmaw but taric and rammus cc the shit out of him and kogmaw dropped him from behind. After about 70 mins we tried to camp it out at dragon seeing if we could bait them but that failed because they just hugged their spawn turret for the 30 mins. At 80 mins rammus felt that he was brave and tried to bd our nexus but failed miserably. At 90 mins kogmaw felt brave and ran into our base while me and malphite flashed in while ww distracted and it was a footrace on who could kill the nexus. WE WON AFTER THE GAYEST MATCH EVER.
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Disclaimer: This is purely my opinion. Anything I say may or may not be agreed upon.
Kassadin is one of those weird niche champions that really depend on the other team to react in a way that is counterintuitively favorable for him. As Utah has said thousands of times Kassadin is extremely reliant on his positioning. If he is in a good position to kill someone and get out alive; congrats, mission accomplished. However the ability to get into that position is frequently based on how the enemy team is positioned and if that is favorable for kassadin or not. Kassadin has the ability to be an extremely powerful carry and is able to shutdown most squishies, however, nothing is fool proof and if the enemy tanks are good at babysitting then Kassadin is pretty worthless.
Also the fact that the engagements that kassadin does usually puts him in a very good position for enemies to kill him for a short period of time makes it rather detrimental to play him over much safer carries because a single cc can cripple him.
On another note I think I figured out a way to make vladimir much less obnoxious to lane against and that is to decrease the healing received by Transfusion via the percentage and decrease the health costs of his tides of blood spell. Vladimir is kind of a one spell wonder because he has no resources except for hp and his Q is really the only way to regenerate resources to use his other spells. The side effect of having a heal as a major part of his character is that if he doesnt use his other spells then he effectively has a ton of regen whenever he decides he doesnt want to spam every button.
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On September 06 2010 13:44 Southlight wrote:
Incidentally Kass is a counter to Ez, not the other way around.
Also according to many "top" players Kassadin is as bad as Mundo.
Soooo
Aderp derp. really? cuz many "top" players think kassadin is imba right now.
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On September 06 2010 13:43 Brees wrote:
AP taric not getting my ultimate until 14 am i doing it rite guyz?
i actually think that its good to get it right when it's available at 6 because it can be a very strong tool early game. you're just missing oppurtunities for kills. think about it this way, if you're teemo and you level poison dart or blinding dart over move quick you're just missing oppurtunities to go gank other lanes.
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Kassadin is by no means bad for solo ranked etc. but if we are assessing his usefulness in a serious 5v5 ranked game then hes definitely a lower tier hero purely cause his laning sucks dick.
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On September 06 2010 14:44 mrgerry wrote:
Kassadin is by no means bad for solo ranked etc. but if we are assessing his usefulness in a serious 5v5 ranked game then hes definitely a lower tier hero purely cause his laning sucks dick.
hes pretty strong mid since you'll usually be facing some sort of ranged. you get a doran shield and 1 point in W and you can lane forever. i would never play kass if i wasnt guaranteed a solo lane though.
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been a while since I ran into a good Garen... that game hurt :|
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On September 06 2010 14:44 mrgerry wrote:
Kassadin is by no means bad for solo ranked etc. but if we are assessing his usefulness in a serious 5v5 ranked game then hes definitely a lower tier hero purely cause his laning sucks dick.
whut
0/9/21
doran shield
double mp/5
?? profit
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OMG i bought vlad and this nigga is OP as all hell. i was 1400 and im 4-0 with him, not losing. hes so damn strong XD
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Does activating zhona's ring when morgana's ult is up cause it to break? (when you are morg)
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On September 06 2010 16:00 Misder wrote:
Does activating zhona's ring when morgana's ult is up cause it to break? (when you are morg)
No but it prevents you from following people who walk away from you.
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On September 06 2010 15:34 mptj wrote:
OMG i bought vlad and this nigga is OP as all hell. i was 1400 and im 4-0 with him, not losing. hes so damn strong XD
Am I the only one not thinking Vlad is OP? I mean sure he's Q is a spamable 300~400 damage lategame and he has a free moving/healing/slowing/damaging zhoneya's. He heals well with E stacks and does fine without them. And his Ult is an Ignite that increases the damage taken and picks of runners. errr
He is awesome to play though, just to see the pure rage of every champ with a snare (e.g. Morgana) when you dodge with W and to see the rage after every teamfight's where you are at 15-20% hp left and can just kill a minion wave and be back up to 50-60%ish. In other words he is awesome.
Now (prepears to be critizised) opinions on Vlad build please:
9/0/21 with archaic knowledge in offense and no mana regen (with exception of the heal/mana regen over time) in the utility tree.
Would a 9/21/0 build work better? or maybe 0/21/9? I would really like some opinions on that.
Runes:
AP per level glyphs
Mpen Marks
(really need some advice on the Seals)
Quints same as seals-^
Items:
Regrowth pendant-> Warmogs
Boots 1 into sorc shoes or merc treads (depending on enemy team comp)
Rylai's crystal scepter
Void staff
Zhoenya's
another Rylai's!
skill order to level 9:
Q W Q E Q R Q W Q
then R>W>E>Q (since it is allready maxed)
I usually mid or take the 1v2 lane.
Opinions? critics? go go go
(also this thread is now larger than the Korean Music Discussion)
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How viable is Trist?
With the Ezreal nerfs who are the up and coming DPS carries?
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On September 06 2010 14:38 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 13:44 Southlight wrote:
Incidentally Kass is a counter to Ez, not the other way around.
Also according to many "top" players Kassadin is as bad as Mundo.
Soooo
Aderp derp. really? cuz many "top" players think kassadin is imba right now.
Keyword. When I started playing him everyone rolled their eyes at me when I demanded solo. It was always "don't feed noob" etc. etc.
Now it's like "GO FOR IT" and it's not even like he got super buffed or anything.
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