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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
November 18 2009 01:36 GMT
#621
On November 18 2009 10:21 tenbagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2009 10:18 A3iL3r0n wrote:
On November 18 2009 10:13 tenbagger wrote:
On November 18 2009 09:57 Ace wrote:
lol wow this discussion won't end well

@tenbagger: Barkley over Dirk in terms of defense by far. Look at his Steals and Blocks...


defense is a lot more than steals and blocks. also, dirk has career averages of 1 steal and 1 block, which isn't that bad.

That's true, steals particularly aren't an absolute measure of good defense.


For example, charles oakley didn't get many steals or blocks. But he was a very good defensive player. His one on one post defense, help defense and overall team defense was excellent.


Shane Battier is today's best example.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
November 18 2009 01:38 GMT
#622
On November 18 2009 10:36 citi.zen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2009 10:21 tenbagger wrote:
On November 18 2009 10:18 A3iL3r0n wrote:
On November 18 2009 10:13 tenbagger wrote:
On November 18 2009 09:57 Ace wrote:
lol wow this discussion won't end well

@tenbagger: Barkley over Dirk in terms of defense by far. Look at his Steals and Blocks...


defense is a lot more than steals and blocks. also, dirk has career averages of 1 steal and 1 block, which isn't that bad.

That's true, steals particularly aren't an absolute measure of good defense.


For example, charles oakley didn't get many steals or blocks. But he was a very good defensive player. His one on one post defense, help defense and overall team defense was excellent.


Shane Battier is today's best example.

Sadly, while having some of the best perimeter defense, Battier gets absolutely no recognition when it comes to DPOY awards. It's quite meh to be honest.
God Bless
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
November 18 2009 01:51 GMT
#623
I think the league has changed to much to compare the two. Dirk's style works in this era's NBA more. We have a lot more combo fowards that play 3/4. Centers that play 4/5 guards that play 1/2. I think Barkely would have a harder time in his prime playing in the kinda league we have now.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
BalliSLife
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
1339 Posts
November 18 2009 01:55 GMT
#624
Knew it before the season started, jennings for rookie of the year. Haters keep hating!
Ya well, at least I don't fuck a fleshlight with a condom on and cry at the same time.
HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-18 02:13:59
November 18 2009 02:00 GMT
#625
I am convinced that people think Dirk is a worse defender than he actually is simply because he looks like an unathletic, goofy white guy, limbs flailing awkwardly.
returns upon momentous occasions.
Dunk.vn
Profile Joined December 2006
United States197 Posts
November 18 2009 02:02 GMT
#626
dirk is the reason i started following the nba 6 yrs ago, so i have absolute respect for the guy. but the media, especially espn, gives him no respect at all. Take the game last night, for example, dirk hits a buzzer beater and in the highlight video, the espn guy says smth along the line of "Dirk's done that before (clutch plays)....at least in the regular season."
He has hit a lot of game winners in the playoff (the most famous one is in gm 7 vs Spurs), and averaged 25 and 11 in nearly 100 playoff games, so i have absolutely no idea why the media disrespects him so much..
A3iL3r0n
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States2196 Posts
November 18 2009 02:37 GMT
#627
On November 18 2009 11:02 Dunk.vn wrote:
dirk is the reason i started following the nba 6 yrs ago, so i have absolute respect for the guy. but the media, especially espn, gives him no respect at all. Take the game last night, for example, dirk hits a buzzer beater and in the highlight video, the espn guy says smth along the line of "Dirk's done that before (clutch plays)....at least in the regular season."
He has hit a lot of game winners in the playoff (the most famous one is in gm 7 vs Spurs), and averaged 25 and 11 in nearly 100 playoff games, so i have absolutely no idea why the media disrespects him so much..

Because he was supposed to be the great white hope, and then he failed us.
My psychiatrist says I have deep-seated Ragneuroses :(
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
November 18 2009 02:40 GMT
#628
On November 18 2009 11:02 Dunk.vn wrote:
dirk is the reason i started following the nba 6 yrs ago, so i have absolute respect for the guy. but the media, especially espn, gives him no respect at all. Take the game last night, for example, dirk hits a buzzer beater and in the highlight video, the espn guy says smth along the line of "Dirk's done that before (clutch plays)....at least in the regular season."
He has hit a lot of game winners in the playoff (the most famous one is in gm 7 vs Spurs), and averaged 25 and 11 in nearly 100 playoff games, so i have absolutely no idea why the media disrespects him so much..

Choked like mad vs Wade and the Heat while up 2-0 in the finals. Until he proves that he can get it done on the biggest stage again, he'll always be labeled just another soft 7 footer who can't carry his team in the clutch.
God Bless
BalliSLife
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
1339 Posts
November 18 2009 02:48 GMT
#629
Also getting schooled by 8th seeded goldenstate doesnt help either.
Ya well, at least I don't fuck a fleshlight with a condom on and cry at the same time.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 18 2009 03:01 GMT
#630
Also the fact that he's European and the NBA (no matter how hard they try) has taken a long time in recognizing their is talent over there.

With Brandon Jennings coming over from Europe and tearing shit up, kids trying to go from high school straight to Europe, and Ricky Rubio saying fuck Minny this is all some funny business.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-18 03:33:48
November 18 2009 03:33 GMT
#631
So, LeBron is garbage because his team got smashed 4-0 in the finals and then last year nearly got swept by ORL?

edit: to Roffles
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
November 18 2009 03:34 GMT
#632
duh!!! =D
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
A3iL3r0n
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States2196 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-18 03:39:26
November 18 2009 03:39 GMT
#633
No one is saying Dirk is garbage.
My psychiatrist says I have deep-seated Ragneuroses :(
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7291 Posts
November 18 2009 03:42 GMT
#634
On November 18 2009 11:40 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2009 11:02 Dunk.vn wrote:
dirk is the reason i started following the nba 6 yrs ago, so i have absolute respect for the guy. but the media, especially espn, gives him no respect at all. Take the game last night, for example, dirk hits a buzzer beater and in the highlight video, the espn guy says smth along the line of "Dirk's done that before (clutch plays)....at least in the regular season."
He has hit a lot of game winners in the playoff (the most famous one is in gm 7 vs Spurs), and averaged 25 and 11 in nearly 100 playoff games, so i have absolutely no idea why the media disrespects him so much..

Choked like mad vs Wade and the Heat while up 2-0 in the finals. Until he proves that he can get it done on the biggest stage again, he'll always be labeled just another soft 7 footer who can't carry his team in the clutch.




to be fair to call it dirk choking isnt right.

+ Wade had the most phantom ass calls that series known to basketball. Game 3 Dallas should have won regardless though.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
November 18 2009 05:06 GMT
#635
Wait a sec, wasn't Barkley, Stockton, Malone, Ewing ... basically everybody except Jordan in the 90s a choker?
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
November 18 2009 05:14 GMT
#636
On November 18 2009 14:06 igotmyown wrote:
Wait a sec, wasn't Barkley, Stockton, Malone, Ewing ... basically everybody except Jordan in the 90s a choker?


Malone and Ewing - yes... Stockton wasn't really a crunch time player anyways, although he had some HUGE moments, as did Barkley.

So, no? O_O;
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tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
November 18 2009 05:16 GMT
#637
Pistons getting face planted. Not that I expected anything less.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
November 18 2009 19:20 GMT
#638
How does the points system for this fantasy work? I total'd all the points categories (3s points boards assist steal, etc) and subtracted TO's (I dont know how they factor in minutes / shooting % so i left that alone)... and I was like "ya... I had many more points than everyone but Cyric, I should move up"

then I check today to see my position is still the same, and 2nd place tifa got +1 even though my stats last night were much better.

how the fux does this system work, lol?
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XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
November 18 2009 20:21 GMT
#639
On November 19 2009 04:20 Xeris wrote:
How does the points system for this fantasy work? I total'd all the points categories (3s points boards assist steal, etc) and subtracted TO's (I dont know how they factor in minutes / shooting % so i left that alone)... and I was like "ya... I had many more points than everyone but Cyric, I should move up"

then I check today to see my position is still the same, and 2nd place tifa got +1 even though my stats last night were much better.

how the fux does this system work, lol?


Each team is ranked in each individual category and assigned points for their ranking. Since this league has 11 teams, being in first place in a particular category gives you 11 points, second 10 points, etc. In the case of the TOs category, the team with the least amount of TOs gets 11 points, second least 10 points, etc. A team's overall ranking is based on the total amount of points it has from all 9 categories.
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 18 2009 22:10 GMT
#640
PAU GASOL WHEN WILL YOU FUCKING PLAY!
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
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