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jinyung2
Profile Joined November 2014
Luxembourg1455 Posts
January 12 2015 15:18 GMT
#2161
On January 12 2015 15:58 Phyanketto wrote:
Another example of the genetic supriorrity of Koreans

whens s2j gonna win a major qq
Argentina
Phyanketto
Profile Joined September 2011
United States601 Posts
January 12 2015 16:00 GMT
#2162
On January 13 2015 00:18 jinyung2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 15:58 Phyanketto wrote:
Another example of the genetic supriorrity of Koreans

whens s2j gonna win a major qq

When he starts playing Korean Style and stops playing Captain America.
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jinyung2
Profile Joined November 2014
Luxembourg1455 Posts
January 12 2015 16:01 GMT
#2163
falcon can do it! 2015 is the year of falcon!
Argentina
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
January 12 2015 16:36 GMT
#2164
On January 12 2015 10:18 Kyuukyuu wrote:
fuuuuck yeah leffen

for those who missed it
+ Show Spoiler +

leffen 3-1 armada
leffen 3-2 mango (WF)
(armada 3-0 mango)
leffen 3-2 armada (GF)

That one game by Armada though!
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
January 12 2015 17:07 GMT
#2165
Leffen played super well but I really wanted Armada to win and reset the bracket. Too bad Armada couldn't play as well in game 5 as he did in game 4.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Phyanketto
Profile Joined September 2011
United States601 Posts
January 12 2015 17:43 GMT
#2166
On January 13 2015 02:07 Zoler wrote:
Leffen played super well but I really wanted Armada to win and reset the bracket. Too bad Armada couldn't play as well in game 5 as he did in game 4.

TBH I don't know why people like armada that much. I completely understand in terms of skill, but he's a really boring player to watch, imo. If he touches you you're dead. Further, he has no discernable personality.
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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-12 18:08:30
January 12 2015 18:08 GMT
#2167
Because I know him and play with him all the time, he's a friend of mine. I don't really agree that he plays boring. I can appreciate most playstyles as I focus more on the actual play and the mindgames behind it rather than who plays flashy. I can see why lower level players mostly focus on the flashy stuff though.

Also Leffen is possibly the biggest asshole smash has to offer. I would be happy as long as he lost to anyone.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Phyanketto
Profile Joined September 2011
United States601 Posts
January 12 2015 18:40 GMT
#2168
Aww, come on, I'm not talking about personalities in person. I'm sure Armada's a nice guy. But he's not fun to watch as a non-peach main. Part of it comes from the fact that her combos drive me up the wall because there's no way to recover from them as falcon. A good peach basically says "you're dead if I can get you off stage, and it only takes 2 hits for me to get you there." Plus, she's hard to edgeguard, and Armada's the best at making it back.... but I digress.

I'm sure Adam Lindgren is a nice guy to get to know. I'm sure William Hjete is too, from what I've seen of his public persona.

Thing is, I like Leffen's attitude when it comes to Smash: nobody is good enough, and we all need to improve dramatically.Further, he owns his losses, and he explains how to play (in depth) on his stream. I wasn't around for when he was supposedly such an asshole, so I see three distinct possibilities: 1) he's an excllent actor and portrays a very good public persona, 2) he's not really a dick and people don't like him for some other reason, or 3) he's totally cleaned up his act.

#.ziplife
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Fazers
Profile Joined August 2013
737 Posts
January 12 2015 20:42 GMT
#2169
Anyone know what friendlies are like at APEX? Will there be a separate room for such?

I want to hear first hand experiences. I know I'll be eliminated quickly so I'm mainly going there in hopes of playing friendlies against anyone.
Phyanketto
Profile Joined September 2011
United States601 Posts
January 12 2015 21:07 GMT
#2170
On January 11 2015 14:11 Headshot wrote:
Anyone else watching Kumite in Tennessee on VGBC? Some quality Melee happening right now.

Like Eikelmann having to actually try to beat M2K's Pichu
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FireSA
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia555 Posts
January 13 2015 02:01 GMT
#2171
mm nice video of sheik edge guards, sheik sure is fun. That is what I have mostly enjoyed about smash 4 so far, you get some really cool fights on/off the edge, and unsurprisingly sheik excels at that, so it's no wonder she's considered one of the better characters in smash 4 atm.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-13 02:21:40
January 13 2015 02:21 GMT
#2172
On January 13 2015 03:40 Phyanketto wrote: A good peach player basically says "you're dead if I can get you off stage, and it only takes 2 hits for me to get you there."


fixed that for you

falcon's recovery sucks

also: apex 1024 registrants hype
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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-13 10:08:43
January 13 2015 10:03 GMT
#2173
I'm not going to lie, the European style that comes up across pretty much every game I find super boring to watch as a whole. Super solid fundamentals with a safe game plan is just meh. Hated it in hon, hated it in dota, hated it in sc2, and I've seen enough in melee to assume I'm going to hate it in melee too.

On January 13 2015 11:21 ]343[ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2015 03:40 Phyanketto wrote: A good peach player basically says "you're dead if I can get you off stage, and it only takes 2 hits for me to get you there."

fixed that for you


Eh, outside of m2k's shiek/marth and armada's peach I don't think it's ever really that dramatic.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
January 13 2015 12:04 GMT
#2174
Duck's Samus tho

most reasonable characters have ways to cover every option Falcon has, lol
Writer
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
January 13 2015 12:15 GMT
#2175
On January 13 2015 21:04 ]343[ wrote:
Duck's Samus tho

most reasonable characters have ways to cover every option Falcon has, lol

Falcons recovery from under the stage is fairly atrocious lol
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-13 16:31:05
January 13 2015 16:30 GMT
#2176
On January 13 2015 02:43 Phyanketto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2015 02:07 Zoler wrote:
Leffen played super well but I really wanted Armada to win and reset the bracket. Too bad Armada couldn't play as well in game 5 as he did in game 4.

TBH I don't know why people like armada that much. I completely understand in terms of skill, but he's a really boring player to watch, imo. If he touches you you're dead. Further, he has no discernable personality.


You're in a tiny, tiny minority. Armada's Peach is the most exciting thing ever how does someone think a lethal punish game that's only possible with absurd tech skill is boring? Smash 4 is that way you can go play neutral for 8 minutes to bait out a sick up tilt to up tilt to up tilt punish.

Also, every character can and should destroy Falcon offstage. More also, you're whining about Falcon's best top tier matchup in the game lmao.

You don't have to be a Peach main to appreciate Armada's play so just keep being that special snowflake.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
January 13 2015 19:16 GMT
#2177
yeah, like 3 years ago I hated watching Peaches except Armada, if only because my friend played this utterly brainless dash attack / dsmash / fc dair -> nair / turnip peach that did better when he wasn't paying attention to the game. Armada, on the other hand, could actually pull off lengthy combos despite how utterly slow Peach is.

Now I don't really mind watching good Peaches vs spacies / Marth / Sheik / Falcon.
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Xeofreestyler
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Belgium6777 Posts
January 13 2015 23:59 GMT
#2178
Rage fixed my wii so we've got 20XX now. So damn good. If you've been too lazy to install it so far, get it. Seriously.
Graphics
jinyung2
Profile Joined November 2014
Luxembourg1455 Posts
January 14 2015 01:08 GMT
#2179
20xx frame counter has been AMAZING. I really feel like its made my falcon movement much better
Argentina
Xeofreestyler
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Belgium6777 Posts
January 14 2015 04:34 GMT
#2180
I've just watched the video about the frame counter... wow thats pretty sick.

Could you tell me some setups you use? How do you use the multiple counters w falcon? (as in which data do you monitor?)
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