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Why Lecaf OZ Will Win the Proleague - Page 2

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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
July 19 2007 03:18 GMT
#21
Really nice read, haji.

Personally I don't think Lecaf can take it imho. While Lecaf has done really well in the regular season they do not have the depth to beat a team like MBC in a Bo7 unless they get really lucky with matchups and maps.
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koryano321
Profile Joined June 2007
United States309 Posts
July 19 2007 09:47 GMT
#22
man, nice post! as a diehard anytime fan i hope they DO take the title from the blasted MBC hero team. wouldnt mind so much if samsung won, but yeah, god no to freaking MBC. I BELIEVE MAN I BELIEVE!!
Scorpio2012 wrote: i guess god is about as useful as a protoss scout
Person514cs
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
1004 Posts
July 19 2007 15:27 GMT
#23
zero players to the OSL or MSL. Impressive indeed.
Peace and love, for ever.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 19 2007 22:34 GMT
#24
On July 18 2007 23:44 HonestTea wrote:
BUT the New Three Powers (Samsung, Lecaf, Hero) are scary indeed. We're in for some good series.
Stork, Anytime and Pusan?
neo-king teams ftw
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Gokey
Profile Joined November 2006
United States2722 Posts
July 20 2007 09:58 GMT
#25
love this article... much depth and great evidence to back up your statements! thumbs up
Pyrthas
Profile Joined March 2007
United States3196 Posts
July 20 2007 14:30 GMT
#26
Nice article! Just a minor point:

On July 17 2007 07:34 thedeadhaji wrote:
the winningest 2v2 team this season, Zergboy and Reach.
Max/Fantastic_Namoo?
koryano321
Profile Joined June 2007
United States309 Posts
July 22 2007 01:45 GMT
#27
On July 20 2007 00:27 Person514cs wrote:
zero players to the OSL or MSL. Impressive indeed.
]

and what does mbc have? they have one guy who is great in the leagues, and they have washed up players like pusan who never wins, hasnt shined since 2005, sea who we all know is some lil chump who never performs to what he is hyped up to be and god knows what else. lecaf didnt get to the number 2 spot in proleague by chance, it was through sheer brilliance climbing back up from the bottom of the charts. respect yo.
Scorpio2012 wrote: i guess god is about as useful as a protoss scout
CustomXSpunjah
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1093 Posts
July 23 2007 13:43 GMT
#28
i really dont see OZ beating MBC in this one, between bisu, pusan, and light, all races are covered, Bisu and Pusan have excellent pvp, and light has superior tvt and tvz...not to mention that Sea has a 5-0 record in the proleage tvz...
beware, the rise of the Protoss is upon us!
CustomXSpunjah
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1093 Posts
July 23 2007 13:47 GMT
#29
On July 20 2007 23:30 Pyrthas wrote:
Nice article! Just a minor point:

Show nested quote +
On July 17 2007 07:34 thedeadhaji wrote:
the winningest 2v2 team this season, Zergboy and Reach.
Max/Fantastic_Namoo?


zergboy/reach = 9-2
max/fantastic_namoo = 14-4
percentage wise....zergboy/reach are far superior, in just terms of sheer wins (losses not accounted) then yes, max/namoo are ...umm...better?
beware, the rise of the Protoss is upon us!
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-23 19:53:39
July 23 2007 14:48 GMT
#30
On July 22 2007 10:45 koryano321 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2007 00:27 Person514cs wrote:
zero players to the OSL or MSL. Impressive indeed.
]

and what does mbc have? they have one guy who is great in the leagues, and they have washed up players like pusan who never wins, hasnt shined since 2005, sea who we all know is some lil chump who never performs to what he is hyped up to be and god knows what else. lecaf didnt get to the number 2 spot in proleague by chance, it was through sheer brilliance climbing back up from the bottom of the charts. respect yo.
washed up?
ffs, if you took stork a year ago you would have said the same thing of him
now look at him!?
Players like PuSan and Sea are they heart and soul of this team; without their consistent efforts the team would be stranded. (Just look at the MBC-Soul game, the two 1v1 wins were from none other than pusan and sea). There is really no other players like them that consistently pull in the wins for their team. Except for FBH/Stork/Siga for KHAN (but thats a different story).

Simply put, they are among proleagues deadliest weapons, and while lacking individual results (at this moment in time), they will bounce back into the leagues soon (im sure of it) and you will feel their force.

Let's look at the MBC-Lecaf history (working form most recent backwards);
Lecaf OZ vs MBCGame HERO (6/9)
Anytime < Bisu @ Nemesis
fOrGG < Sea @ Python
Dongrae/Shinhwa > Jaehoon/dOkSa[S.G] @ Vampire
Jaedong > Ruby @ Tau Cross
fOrGG < Sea @ Geometry
Lecaf OZ 2-3 MBCGame HERO

MBCGame HERO vs Lecaf Oz (4/14)
Light > Jaedong @ Monty Hall
Ruby > Hiya @ Python
Saint/Jaehoon > Ggaemo/Backho @ Chariot of Fire
MBCGame HERO 3-0 LeCaf OZ

MBCGame Hero vs LeCaf OZ (2006 Season 2 playoffs)
ForGG_V_ (T) > Bisu (P) on Longinus
BackHo[WHITE] (P) < Sea (T) on Blitz
Dongrae/Shinhwa (T/Z) < 910/TheZerg (T/Z) on Vampire
Anytime (P) < Pusan (P) on Tau Cross
Jaedong (Z) > Light (T) on Arcadia II
N.aCe)ever/Bright (P/Z) > n.Die_Jaehoon/July (P/Z) on Full Moon
Anytime (P) < Bisu (P) on New Peaks of Baekdu
Lecaf Oz 3-4 MBCGame Hero

I cant be bothered going back any further, but i think that sends a pretty clear message, MBC have won their last 3 encounters- including one match in playoff conditions. (Also PuSan and Sea scored the 1v1 wins for the team). Sending a full team, Lecaf just cant beat MBC. Given their Proleague experiance and expert leadership and team morale- AND having won 8 of their last games. 4 of which were indeed 3-0 victories. Coach Ha knows how to win proleague- and nothing is going to stop MBC from making finals. Not anytime. Not Jaedong. Not Forgg.


EDIT:
here is roster for the playoff match
Lecaf OZ vs MBCGame HERO
fOrGG_V (T) < Geometry > Sea[Shield] (T)
BackHo[WHITE] (P) < Monty Hall > PuSan (P)
Dongrae (T)/ShinHwA[Name] (Z) < Vampire> 910[Ete] (T)/Saint[z-zone] (Z)
Jaedong (Z) < Tau Cross > Light (T)
AnyTime (P) < Nemesis > Bisu (P)
Bright[z-zone] (Z)/N.aCe)Ever (P) < Chariots of Fire> n.Die_Jaehoon (P)/TheZerg[HyO] (Z)
Ace Match < Python >

imo;
forgg < sea
backho < pusan
dongrae/shinhwa > 910/saint
jaedong > light
anytime < bisu
bright/ever < zerg/jaehoon
Lecaf 2 - 4 MBC
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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
July 24 2007 04:11 GMT
#31
Good article, but I honestly don't think Lecaf can win this. Their normal crew might win a best of 5 against subpar (and even fairly good) teams, but a best of 7 against MBC? Eh... good luck with that. If Bisu continues to choke, I guess they have an outside shot.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
July 24 2007 04:27 GMT
#32
We'll see this Saturday won't we

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koryano321
Profile Joined June 2007
United States309 Posts
July 27 2007 16:24 GMT
#33
haji, can u explain more on the star brain challenge with anytime and upmagic? i didnt see it so i am very curious about the brilliant strategy or whatever you are talking about.
Scorpio2012 wrote: i guess god is about as useful as a protoss scout
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-28 01:30:26
July 28 2007 00:11 GMT
#34
This is why they pay Haji the big bucks. Because when everyone laughs at his prediction, he sits back, relaxs, and lets his team 4-2 MBC. Well done good sir
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-28 06:21:42
July 28 2007 06:13 GMT
#35
Man I can't believe I just saw this

On July 22 2007 10:45 koryano321 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2007 00:27 Person514cs wrote:
zero players to the OSL or MSL. Impressive indeed.
]

and what does mbc have? they have one guy who is great in the leagues, and they have washed up players like pusan who never wins, hasnt shined since 2005, sea who we all know is some lil chump who never performs to what he is hyped up to be and god knows what else. lecaf didnt get to the number 2 spot in proleague by chance, it was through sheer brilliance climbing back up from the bottom of the charts. respect yo.


From Carnac's pro league results thread:

Pusan 6-2 (PvP 3-0 PvZ 1-0 PvT 2-2)
Sea 16-5 (TvT 5-2 TvP 6-3 TvZ 5-0)

Excuse me??

You think 6-2 is a record from a washed up player and 16-5 a record from a lil chump who never performs to what he is hyped up to be?!?!?

+ Show Spoiler +
Funny how you picked the only two players who got a win for their team vs Lecaf last night


You can dislike certain players but you can't discredit their results.


Anyways, haji's prediction just might come true
However, I wonder how Lecaf's 2v2 teams will perform against Khan's.


btw, I have to quote this:
On July 17 2007 07:34 thedeadhaji wrote:
and now I’m going to claim that it’s 2v2 is one of the reason’s they’re going to win the Proleague
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SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21552 Posts
July 29 2007 04:46 GMT
#36
[image loading]

^-- Haji
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
July 29 2007 08:34 GMT
#37
I BELIEVED
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SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21552 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-08-03 21:31:05
August 03 2007 21:30 GMT
#38
+ Show Spoiler +
WRONG
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
August 04 2007 00:48 GMT
#39
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
Draugr
Profile Joined January 2007
54 Posts
August 04 2007 11:14 GMT
#40
<_<

>_>
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