Props to Manatea, a new tl.net member who posted this in the Poll comments.. He wasn't able to create new threads yet, so I just created one for him ^^;
On March 19 2007 03:21 Manatea wrote:
Hello. I'm a one of the common fans of Starcraft league in Korea and I have been reading here cuz My English is not good, so I just read for a long time... recently I felt sad you guys have no idea about what's going on in Korea so I translated long articles
...then I registered TL.net and I found I can't make new thread now...-_-;;; so I write here.
I hope it helps. (I'm afraid you may not understand my translation due to my bad English)
This article is from Starcraft gallery in dcinside.com, written by FR
-------------------------------------------------------------------- 10 topics of recent Starcraft Scene --------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Does Kespa have rights of proleague?
- Definitely NO. In fact, First plan of proleague was made by GameTV, not OGN. OGN bought and made up the plan and launched proleague. It was start of 2003 Ever proleague and Neowiz Pmang Proleague, The operating body of 2004-2006 Sky proleague was OGN and SK teletech(Now it is the part of Pantech). Kespa just cut in, stole some sponsor money and put in their name without any contracts. MBCgame was a victim too, by being forced closure of Teamleague.
OGN hasn't agreed transfer of proleague's rights since 2005 united proleague started. OGN has legal trademark of proleague, Kespa has to use another logo if they launch proleague with another broadcasting station, though possibility is quite low.
Note from the translator : Kespa cup, which broadcasted without OGN/MBCgame, completely failed, big sponsors are actually hesitating to invest the proleague without OGN/MBCgame)
Kespa can't stop OGN/MBCgame even if OGN launches new proleague and use their proleague logo.(Proteams in Kespa may boycott the new league, as they boycotted individual leagues) It is clear which league is approved by audiences, OGN has the trademark
2. Didn't OGN/MBC treat badly on progamers? (view of performance fee)
- It was good if you regard of appearance time. I'll pass 2001 and former times because it was hard time for OGN to manage business. In 2002, fee was 100,000 won(almost 100$) and it was not bad if you regard performance time(20 minutes-3 hours) and the fact that the number of viewers was not high enough. prize money was also not bad. Of course it was hard to depend on living with those fees, but it's the matter the chance to be shown on TV, not unreasonable fee. In my view, fee is quite reasonable, with the prize money that they can earn in major leagues. Rebroadcasing fee needed? well, I have nothing to say about it.
3. Didn't OGN/MBC treat badly on progamers? (view of prize money)
Since Mycube Starleague, qualified 16 players got 1,500,000 won(=1,500$) is it too low? It is low 1,500$ for 3 months but it isn't for their performance time. There are no reason for players to stick to one league. It just tiny size of market or player's ability if there are only few league. It doesn't make sense the matter of "Professionalization of eSports" if they have to rely on performance fees and prize money. No pro teams can manage with only prize money and TV performance fee
4 Didn't OGN/MBC treat badly on progamers? (view of profit distribution)
Some guys are insisting "OGN/MBCgame should distribute VOD and sponsor money because progamers have contributed their business profit", but it is total misconception. Distribution of profit exist as "author's royalty" on only book publication market, but not in broadcasting market. A contract consists of performance fee and prize money, there are no distribution of profit on the contract. Do players demand more money over their salary on contract if Kespa sells peudo-broadcasting fee in high price?
5. But don't commentators get high salary? I heard their annual salary is over 100,000,000won(100,000$)
- according to OGN's balance sheet, OGN paid 790,000,000won(790,000$) for their workers in 2005. Does OGN can afford to pay high salary to the commentators and 30-40 staffs and performance fee for progamers? Even if you exclude temp workers, commentators' cannot get 100,000$ salary
6. Let's compare with other sports.
1) If you see the other pro sports, association has broadcasting rights, so Kespa has the rights.
- As you look at the other sports, Association plans, promotes, manages, and do everything about the league, Kespa should make their own league if they want to sell the rights. I doubt Blizzard let them sell it. (In my opinion, Blizzard will not put up with it. Blizzard's policy is that sponsor money is OK but direct money is never allowed.)
2) eSports should manage by itself by making money
- No pro sports in Korea can manage without sponsors.
Most popular sports like baseball, soccer depend on big corporations. If it is possible, why proteams had to look for big corporation sponsors? Korean market is small, no club team culture exists, and age bracket of fans are young, which means they don't have much money. Circumstance is worse than other sports. How do Kespa make profit except for broadcasting rights? Are they going to export Starleague and get license fee?(It's nonsense) Stop barking about broadcasting rights and face the reality.
7. Simple understanding of broadcasting rights issues
1) Stealing the broadcasting rights Kespa : Hey, you must buy proleague broadcasting right from now. We have teams OGN/MBCgame : We made the league, why do we have to do that? FiFo : Broadcasting rights business will develop eSport market. blah blah blah
(Short note from the translator : FiFo is side with Kespa. I recommend not to believe FiFo's articles too much. Most fans are side with OGN/MBCgame)
2) Since Kespa sold the right to IEG Kespa : Buy it from IEG IEG : 200,000,000 won(200,000$) for 1 year, you each. No exclusive rights OGN/MBCgame : Are you kidding? FiFo : With IEG, We got great chances to internationalize eSport and to advance DMB, other multimedia market, blah blah blah
3) Negotiation IEG : 200,000,000 won(200,000$) for 1 year, you each as I told you first. Copyright of broadcasted games is mine, too. Don't complain if I sell the games. OGN : I will allow broadcasting right, and pay for it. but give me exclusive rights for cable TV for 3 years. But how can you get copyright of broadcasted games? broadcasting is also important, why don't we share the copyright? MBCgame : I will pay anyway, but we deny the concept of broadcasting rights. Others are same with OGN. FiFo : Due to OGN/MBGgame, Starcraft leagues are in danger.
4) Breakdown Kespa/IEG : OK. you can refuse to buy, but your individual leagues are over. We will take new broadcasting stations, and make new leagues OGN/MBCgame : Fuck, mean creature, we will make new leagues, too FiFo : OGN/MBCgame admitted broadcasting rights but it was too late, and new game channel will be launched. blah blah blah
5) After Kespa cup Other broadcasting stations : We are not interested in your broadcasting rights Kespa&IEG : Fuck OGN/MBCgame, buy the rights, Shinhan Bank will sponsor 5 billions won(=5 millions$) -> Since no stations are interested in, they threat OGN/MBCgame again OGN/MBCgame : You broke down the negotiation... Shinhan Bank : We are still considering to be a sponsor, but no decision so far
8. Analyzing of deals(07.03.17) YY:MM:DD
1) Kespa and IEG Demand 1. OGN, MBCgame each pay 250,000,000won(250,000$) for a year and total 1.5 billions won(1.5 million$) for 3-years broadcasting rights 2. Pay additional 40% of VOD sales 3. Provide the broadcasting screens to Kespa and IEG for free
Serve 1. 2007 100% supervision are broadcasting guaranteed. 2008~2009 60% supervision and 100% broadcasting guaranteed. 2. Development cost support - 1 billion won(=1 million$ per year) 3. New Media copyright guaranteed
2) OGN/MBCgame Answers) to demand 1) We each pay 130,000,000 won (130,000$) for a year and total 780,000,000 (780,000$) for 3-years broadcasting rights to demand 2) 40% of sales? not profit!? Total nonsense, to demand 3) You can't divide observing, commentary, other presentations from the screen, you should buy the screens
to serve 1) Agree to serve 2) It is distribution of sponsor money, not Kespa's. It's clear fact and not a term to serve 3) You guaranteed copyright, but why do you demand screens for free?
Writer's Explanation I can't approve the concept of "broadcasting rights" but let's analyze the deal anyway
IEG bought the rights 1.7 billion won for 3 years but sells 1.5 billions won + 40% of VOD sales with NO EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS is mad condition. I've never heard those kind of deals. Broadcasting right is normally exclusive in particular media. Why is fee so expensive with no exclusive rights? And they insist to provide broadcasted screens of OGN/MBCgame for free It means Kespa/IEG can sell OGN/MBCgame's screen to other broadcasting stations.
That's why Kespa is a robber Channels are everywhere which can't produce programs by themselves, but receive and transfer the broadcasted screens as if you watch the video tape. If Kespa buy any failed channels and transfer the OGN/MBCgame's screen, OGN/MBCgame are completely fucked.
Though observing, commentary are as important as game itself, they ignore and demand free providing. They are a just robber themselves.
Kespa has made no concession. Kespa just want OGN/MBCgame to be fucked New Media copyright is no worth. Deal of Kespa blocks providing screens to other media except OGN/MBCgame's own channels and VOD service.(Deal includes only broadcasting rights and VOD payments. Providing screens to other media without negotiation means violation of contract)
So even if OGN/MBCgame have copyright of New Media, they can't sell by themselves. If you remember Kespa's demand was providing broadcasted screens for free, their intension is obvious. They will occupy new media first, and force OGN/MBCgame to pay.
At last development cost support. Kespa insists "We can use screens because we support development cost" but you should look into the details. Now OGN/MBCgame work everything about the league, and Kespa's support is not so big. and all of money is from sponsors, not Kespa. Kespa is pretending as if they are a big donator with sponsor money
OGN/MBCgame has made lot of concessions but Kespa's done nothing. New suggestions are nothing but mean tricks. Toxic provisions are everywhere to fuck up OGN/MBCgame (I hate concessions, I hope OGN/MBCgame boycott and new individual leagues with amateurs)
Does Kespa really want negotiation? They told they wanted win-win game but there are no single concession but oral tricks which only look good on papers I'd like to ask how much OGN/MBCgame give up their proper rights. shut up you Kespa's fanboys. I'll kill you if you blame both and later blame OGN/MBCgame for no concessions
9. Will CJ buy MBCgame? (Note from the translator : It's wasting time to translate broadcasting law shits. I'll just summarize one sentence)
MBC has no reason to sell their channel
10. Will everyone be happy if Kespa withdraw individual league boycott? let's analyze Kespa's policy 5-day proleague per week
- 2005 Kespa forced to launch untied proleague to protect players from too many games and improving game quality. But actually increased number of proleague games are far more than decreased Teamleaque games. and Kespa plans to launch more proleague games Now there are 25 proleague games per week maximum, but if new plan operate, there are 45 games maximum, it intends to kill individual leagues Though they promise to protect players, improve game quality, why do they increase the number of games unreasonably? Audience rating is obvious, Individual league>Proleague. But why do they ignore what fans want, reduce individual league games and increase proleague games abnormally? They never think what fans want and seek their own benefits, don't they? Number of games must be increase even if individual league are dramatically shrunk. Do Kespa really care protection of players? Don't what they want is only to show company name on TV more frequently and make a good report for their boss?
Kespa's promised I hope they hasn't forgotten yet. Globalization of eSport and diversity of eSport Let's suppose 5 day proleague and 2 day individuals at 7:00PM gold time. Then, where are other eSports game? Does your promise only intend to cheat fans, to attract the press for your fame with fake catch phrase? I'll speak one more. Shut up and don't spoil Starcraft at least
Haven't they forgotten globalization yet? Other nations' are doing W3 leagues, FPS leagues by themselves. Are you going to export Starleague and get license fee? You'll be revealed as a greedy crook to all over the world people, you pig bitch with single-digit IQ
We fans ask, Does Kespa work for fans? Increase number of games to protect players, Increase proleague ignoring fan's taste
We demand, Stop trying to enlarge proleague that most fans hate. Quit diversity something that you will not operate and think how Starcraft leauge develope. You can help as long as you shut your mouth up.
and Stop talking about fans. You are not representative of fans but just board of sponsors.
General Critique
I can see some Kespa fanboys who insist OGN/MBCgame has exploited players and Kespa is good for players. It's pathetic they argue performance fee is only 20$ and commentators get over 100,000$ without any proof as if they are true
I felt sick they claimed performance fee is terrible though they have no ideas about broadcasting industry, so I wrote it I lost interests Starcraft scene when I read team coaches blamed OGN/MBCgame and some crazy articles side with Kespa. It is fan they have to follow but how can they threat fan to follow them? I was disappointed to them who forgot the meaning of "pros" Did I root and support for those craps? My solution is OGN/MBCgame say goodbye to Kespa and starts new fun amateur league and enjoy it. Leagues just fun to watch, fun to play, than everyone can forgot the hard life for a while... Even if leagues disappear and coaches lose their job and nowhere to go, it will be their fault.
Just read it and I think I understood everything. Manatea, your English is not perfect, but it is certainly not very bad, don't be afraid to post in English If you want me to I can make some corrections.
Featured thread imho. I honestly still don't understand how Kespa sold Broadcasting Rights if they didn't own them.
And if that is the case and it can be proven in court. Don't you think the obvious solution is to have Kespa return the money and IEG to return the fake Broadcasting Rights papers and continue as usual?
nice read; somewhat enlighting but still, i have no ideea who the fuck KESPA is? is a cheesy self-proclaimed union for SC BW?player's only?managers only?sponsors only?; it represents all the eSports from s.Koreea?
On March 20 2007 10:27 Last Romantic wrote: OK this really got me.
IEG paid 1.7bn KRW for rights
and it tried to sell, non-exclusively, for only 3 years, for 1.5bn KRW + 40% of profit.
That's REALLY ridiculous no matter how you look at it.
Thanks for translation ^^; your english is perfectly understandable.
The 1.7bn was for 3 years as well, and the 40% is VOD sales, which probably don't amount to much compared to those numbers.
All these articles are so biased I don't know what to believe. KeSPA claims to do the vast majority of the Proleague work, and OGN claims the same thing. We really need to figure out the truth here.
KeSPA demanding OGN/MBC's observer/commentary for free is ridiculous, so I'm more inclined to be on OGN/MBC's side at this point, but they're not without fault either.
SonuvBob, VOD salling is major MBC/OGN's income afaik. And keyword there is "non-exclusively" — that makes this deal looks like a joke.
On March 20 2007 10:08 Locke. wrote: I honestly still don't understand how Kespa sold Broadcasting Rights if they didn't own them
Look how I understand this =) Kespa sold Rights of Kespa's proleague (Kespa Cup I suppose). Owner of Original proleague is still OGN, but OGN can't launch it since "Proteams in Kespa may boycott, as they boycotted individual leagues". So for me Kespa clearly looks like extortioner.
Can someone explain exactly who makes up KeSPA's board? Is it mainly the pro teams' sponsors? Who else?
Also, are there any more details to the "non-exclusive" rights? The IEG guy said they were trying to get Proleague broadcast outside of Korea, which couldn't happen if OGN and MBC have exclusive broadcast rights. Is IEG allowed to sell rights to other stations inside Korea, or are there restrictions?
On March 20 2007 11:50 SonuvBob wrote: Can someone explain exactly who makes up KeSPA's board? Is it mainly the pro teams' sponsors? Who else?
Also, are there any more details to the "non-exclusive" rights? The IEG guy said they were trying to get Proleague broadcast outside of Korea, which couldn't happen if OGN and MBC have exclusive broadcast rights. Is IEG allowed to sell rights to other stations inside Korea, or are there restrictions?
Remember that part of the deal IEG/KeSPA was pushing is that they have access to the networks boradcasts for free and can sell them to someone else for rebroadcast if they want.
From the article: 3. Provide the broadcasting screens to Kespa and IEG for free
Please, the korean translators here please work with manatea to flesh out this article here - correct the english, take out the inflammatory comments, tidy up the sentences.
This is a good article, just needs a serious case of polish.
I can't wait for further updates. I just hope kespa admit they where wrong, OGN/MBC get exclusive rights and that this whole mess prove that you can't ignore the fans.
On March 20 2007 13:21 SonuvBob wrote: Yes, I'm asking if there are any restrictions on what KeSPA/IEG can do with them.
what sort of restrictions are you talking about? Its already clear that they can redistribute on any channel willing to buy without paying ogn/mbc....
After that, what restrictions could there be?
I don't think anything is clear here. All we have to work with is an article from an enraged fan, FiFo articles that are apparently biased in favor of KeSPA, and some spin from a guy who works for IEG.
I can't imagine OGN and MBC signing anything that lets IEG sell broadcasts that include OGN/MBC's own commentary to OGN and MBC's competitors. There's gotta be some kind of restriction.
The IEG guy was talking about bringing Proleague broadcasts to Europe and America. If IEG sells the streams to some broadcaster in Europe, I doubt OGN and MBC would care much. One of the previous articles said OGN and MBC would be guaranteed to be the "primary" broadcasters or something like that. So I'm wondering if the contract limits who else IEG can sell the broadcasting rights to.
The IEG guy was talking about bringing Proleague broadcasts to Europe and America. If IEG sells the streams to some broadcaster in Europe, I doubt OGN and MBC would care much. One of the previous articles said OGN and MBC would be guaranteed to be the "primary" broadcasters or something like that. So I'm wondering if the contract limits who else IEG can sell the broadcasting rights to.
Bringing Proleague broadcasts to Europe and America ? :D :D That sounds really good !
Man seriously, this article has opened my eyes, I can't believe how retarded are the KeSPA/IEG people, I mean, what in the big fuck?!.
Even thought, some things are still yet to be revealed, most of the post it's true, and what they are asking for is ridiculous amount of money, and in a shorter sentence, "They are asking to get MBC/OGN fucked."
Thanks for posting this, it's like one of the best feautred threads in a long long while.
A lot of South Koreans were helding signs saying "We Love E-Sports" in Shinhan Masters. I think this really affected the outcome of the actual situation. It seems to me that the impact of this in South Korea had a good ending. I admire those South Korean with the signs even I didnt though of something yet so simple but true.
On March 20 2007 16:22 [Carlodajin] wrote: A lot of South Koreans were helding signs saying "We Love E-Sports" in Shinhan Masters. I think this really affected the outcome of the actual situation. It seems to me that the impact of this in South Korea had a good ending. I admire those South Korean with the signs even I didnt though of something yet so simple but true.
Well, while we were (Day, haji, Panorama, and some other people form TL.net) watching the Shinhan Masters thing, we were wondering what those signs meant, and we came into the conclusion that the fans what the thing to be solved, in good terms for both sides of the people.
If the first post is 100% true, and well, KeSPA and IEG are really pushing it this far, I think OGN and MBC will part ways with the PL people, and they will start one for them.
On March 20 2007 16:22 [Carlodajin] wrote: A lot of South Koreans were helding signs saying "We Love E-Sports" in Shinhan Masters. I think this really affected the outcome of the actual situation.
I guess you missed the part where the government had to step in
On March 20 2007 13:21 SonuvBob wrote: Yes, I'm asking if there are any restrictions on what KeSPA/IEG can do with them.
what sort of restrictions are you talking about? Its already clear that they can redistribute on any channel willing to buy without paying ogn/mbc....
After that, what restrictions could there be?
I don't think anything is clear here. All we have to work with is an article from an enraged fan, FiFo articles that are apparently biased in favor of KeSPA, and some spin from a guy who works for IEG.
I can't imagine OGN and MBC signing anything that lets IEG sell broadcasts that include OGN/MBC's own commentary to OGN and MBC's competitors. There's gotta be some kind of restriction.
The IEG guy was talking about bringing Proleague broadcasts to Europe and America. If IEG sells the streams to some broadcaster in Europe, I doubt OGN and MBC would care much. One of the previous articles said OGN and MBC would be guaranteed to be the "primary" broadcasters or something like that. So I'm wondering if the contract limits who else IEG can sell the broadcasting rights to.
OGNMBC didnt give in. We have no idea what the final offer was. But losing all your teams and players is a hard thing for either OGN or MBC to negotiate against.
It would be like investing in a formula one station and having all the drivers refuse to drive - you still have the channel and the cars, but how many people are going to watch that? + Show Spoiler +
Trick analogy. No one watches formula one anyways.
If a broadcast could be sold to europe, why do you think OGN and MBC havent up until this point?
Because they have no interest in doing so, given the need for translations or foreign casters, and the general apathy the majority of the pro gaming scene seems to hold towards foreigners.
The argument of saying that KeSPA should work for the fans by reducing Proleague and enlarging individual leagues is ridiculous, and quite stupid honestly.
Though I agree 5 days a week is a bit much for the fans, is it REALLY harming the future of eSports?
In order for Starcraft to continue to grow and be globalized, we have to get the PLAYERS happy. Of course getting the FANS to be happy is important too, since the fans are what makes something a success, but without Progamers, it also becomes a failure. But think, if there's less Proleague, that means less chances and opportunities for other players to play, which means less motivation for people to become progamers, which is less progamers, which is less entertainment, which is less fans, and so on...
But with the expansion of Proleague, which is a great way to reach out to multiple gamers, companies, and teams, you provide more opportunities for other players to play, which means more people will try to be progamers, and more entertainment, more fans, etc.
Think about it, would you want to be a progamer if you knew the chances of you getting on TV and showing your skill was so slim? But with Proleague, you can get good enough to join a team, and perhaps be good enough to participate in team battles and such.
With Proleague the past 2 years, we've found so many new-found talents that we would have never known if it was not for proleague. JaeDong is a good example. He is a powerhouse who is expected to be as good as Savior, July, YarnC... he's one to be expected at the top. Yet he's only been in starleagues once, and was eliminated the first round. But his 11-0 record at Proleague was what made people be impressed by him so much.
In the end, the expansion of a league that provides opportunities to gamers, like Proleague, is ultimiately the better solution for eSports.
On March 20 2007 11:37 InRaged wrote: SonuvBob, VOD salling is major MBC/OGN's income afaik. And keyword there is "non-exclusively" — that makes this deal looks like a joke.
On March 20 2007 10:08 Locke. wrote: I honestly still don't understand how Kespa sold Broadcasting Rights if they didn't own them
Look how I understand this =) Kespa sold Rights of Kespa's proleague (Kespa Cup I suppose). Owner of Original proleague is still OGN, but OGN can't launch it since "Proteams in Kespa may boycott, as they boycotted individual leagues". So for me Kespa clearly looks like extortioner.
This is how I look at it...
Proleague was created by OGN. KeSPA was created to handle eSports in general all together. Trusting KeSPA, OGN started to give KeSPA some power. KeSPA slowly started to grow, becoming more and more influential and powerful. Eventually, KeSPA's power became as large or larger than OGN's power. That's when they pull the plug.
Imaging a piece of land. OGN rules it. They give some land to KeSPA, perhaps so they will harvest the land and produce some goods. KeSPA does a good job, OGN starts giving them more and more land. The process grows and after 2 years, KeSPA now owns half of the land. KeSPA now has enough power to over rule OGN and do things their own way.
On March 20 2007 11:37 InRaged wrote: SonuvBob, VOD salling is major MBC/OGN's income afaik. And keyword there is "non-exclusively" — that makes this deal looks like a joke.
On March 20 2007 10:08 Locke. wrote: I honestly still don't understand how Kespa sold Broadcasting Rights if they didn't own them
Look how I understand this =) Kespa sold Rights of Kespa's proleague (Kespa Cup I suppose). Owner of Original proleague is still OGN, but OGN can't launch it since "Proteams in Kespa may boycott, as they boycotted individual leagues". So for me Kespa clearly looks like extortioner.
This is how I look at it...
Proleague was created by OGN. KeSPA was created to handle eSports in general all together. Trusting KeSPA, OGN started to give KeSPA some power. KeSPA slowly started to grow, becoming more and more influential and powerful. Eventually, KeSPA's power became as large or larger than OGN's power. That's when they pull the plug.
Imaging a piece of land. OGN rules it. They give some land to KeSPA, perhaps so they will harvest the land and produce some goods. KeSPA does a good job, OGN starts giving them more and more land. The process grows and after 2 years, KeSPA now owns half of the land. KeSPA now has enough power to over rule OGN and do things their own way.
That's how I look at it, atleast.
My views are also similar to that, except that I think KeSPA's power far exceeds that of OGN &MBC Game. Really, OGN &MBC Game would be quite powerless if they didn't have the support of the fans. Without the fans, they become just a broadcasting company.
I don't get all the OGN/MBC fanboyism. I don't think it's healthy in the long run for the tournaments to be run by the same company that broadcasts them. The fact that Starcraft is a propriety game is also a really bad thing (potentially) for SC as an e-sport, but that can't really be avoided.
I feel sorry my English is not perfect, but the original article is pretty inflammatory but be featured thread of Starcraft Gallery in dcinside.com with support of users.
I promised I'll give more information, but they haven't officially release specific terms and there are only rumors yet.
but it seems they agreed to start leagues anyway. In my opinion
1. Government came in and tried to settle the matter. They didn't want government to be angry. especially nowaday Kespa is getting some money from government "to develop e-Sports"
2. Shinhan Bank planned to sponsor proleague.(not officially announced) They may be afraid if Shinhan bank would withdraw sponsorship.
3. Fans started big demonstration (Actually some fans mailed Shinhan bank not to sponsor proleague)
We should wait and see. They just agreed something general so they are still negotiating about money and specifics
there are too many rumors, which non-Korean speaker cannot access. Some are believable, others aren't but Korean fans definitely have more information than you and most Korean fans(80-90% I guess) supports OGN/MBCgame I hope you believe Korean fans.
On March 20 2007 19:32 Manatea wrote: but Korean fans definitely have more information than you and most Korean fans(80-90% I guess) supports OGN/MBCgame I hope you believe Korean fans.
It doesn't really matter what fans support (unless they're really so serious as to actually permanently boycott any new leagues), the general public is pretty ignorant about business matters usually. I'm not saying Kespa is necessarily right in this instance, but the general thing they're trying to do (separate the tournaments from the broadcasting) is a good idea for the future of pro SC. Most people seem to be just be supporting OGN/MBC out of blind loyalty (because they "started it") or out of childish affront at IEG/Kespa's supposed "greed", as if OGN/MBC aren't trying to make as much money as possible themselves.
There's really nothing much OGN and MBCgame can do. Kespa is made up of people from gaming teams, staff of SKT1, KTF, and so on. That's why recently the MSL prelims were stopped during progress. After hearing that OGN and MBCgame did not agree to the demands of KESPA, all the gaming teams pulled their players out of the competition except OGN and MBC.
OGN and MBC have no weapons to fight KESPA with. Yes, they can threaten to not participate in KESPA events, but that's pretty much the only threat they have.
On March 20 2007 19:32 Manatea wrote: but Korean fans definitely have more information than you and most Korean fans(80-90% I guess) supports OGN/MBCgame I hope you believe Korean fans.
It doesn't really matter what fans support (unless they're really so serious as to actually permanently boycott any new leagues), the general public is pretty ignorant about business matters usually. I'm not saying Kespa is necessarily right in this instance, but the general thing they're trying to do (separate the tournaments from the broadcasting) is a good idea for the future of pro SC. Most people seem to be just be supporting OGN/MBC out of blind loyalty (because they "started it") or out of childish affront at IEG/Kespa's supposed "greed", as if OGN/MBC aren't trying to make as much money as possible themselves.
You have some points, but you can't blame fans. It's true people were just arguing and did nothing. Actually most people don't care as long as they can watch the leagues.
The time common fans got really furious was when coaches left out with players during MSL prelims IT WAS BEING BROADCASTED on TV Think that you are watching your favorite sport game, MLB, NBA, or whatever and you watch players are leaving during the game. How does audience feel? After this scandal, people started to go out from their online communities, and took actions.
Many people supported Kespa, too. they just thought Kespa/IEG were demanding too much money. but Kespa/IEG sticked to their first offer, (while OGN/MBCgame suggested some concessions) and boycotted leagues while it's run on TV Now there are only few Kespa's supporters. It's their fault that people hate them.
On March 20 2007 17:26 SonuvBob wrote: Because they have no interest in doing so, given the need for translations or foreign casters, and the general apathy the majority of the pro gaming scene seems to hold towards foreigners.
Exactly. So why do you think IEG would promote such a move?
On February 21 2007 17:32 IEGbrooks wrote: We are trying to reinvigorate the StarCraft community by spreading the Proleague contents to the US and Europe, whether its online or TV.
MSL prelims resume March 29th, 1:00 PM(Korean time) It said Survivor starts April 4th 24 qualifiers and 8 seeds play Dual-Tournament style league and 16 additional players will go MSL MSL starts late April
It tells changes of MSL Live2Win already posted all information Additional information is they increase prize money Total amount of prize money : 70 millions won -> 120 millions won(almost 120,000$) Winner's prize : 50 millions won (50,000$)
On March 20 2007 19:32 Manatea wrote: but Korean fans definitely have more information than you and most Korean fans(80-90% I guess) supports OGN/MBCgame I hope you believe Korean fans.
It doesn't really matter what fans support (unless they're really so serious as to actually permanently boycott any new leagues), the general public is pretty ignorant about business matters usually. I'm not saying Kespa is necessarily right in this instance, but the general thing they're trying to do (separate the tournaments from the broadcasting) is a good idea for the future of pro SC. Most people seem to be just be supporting OGN/MBC out of blind loyalty (because they "started it") or out of childish affront at IEG/Kespa's supposed "greed", as if OGN/MBC aren't trying to make as much money as possible themselves.
You have some points, but you can't blame fans. It's true people were just arguing and did nothing. Actually most people don't care as long as they can watch the leagues.
The time common fans got really furious was when coaches left out with players during MSL prelims IT WAS BEING BROADCASTED on TV Think that you are watching your favorite sport game, MLB, NBA, or whatever and you watch players are leaving during the game. How does audience feel? After this scandal, people started to go out from their online communities, and took actions.
Many people supported Kespa, too. they just thought Kespa/IEG were demanding too much money. but Kespa/IEG sticked to their first offer, (while OGN/MBCgame suggested some concessions) and boycotted leagues while it's run on TV Now there are only few Kespa's supporters. It's their fault that people hate them.
On March 25 2007 10:48 ChoboCop wrote: Damn, chess tournaments in the United States generate a larger prize pool.
Ouch.
For a world champion title match the minimum prize was $1 mil, if I remember correctly, but there's tons of sports having larger prize money than SC, since they are hundreds of years old, recognized throughout the world and get huge support from the governments and large commercial sponsors.
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