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SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-15 21:43:52
December 15 2014 16:57 GMT
#6501
--- Nuked ---
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
December 27 2014 22:27 GMT
#6502
Always nice to come back here once in a while. Boy were they off the mark with this one.
SiskosGoatee
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Albania1482 Posts
March 22 2015 09:11 GMT
#6503
Both finalists of the SSL and the GSL were non-Elephants. Never been a BW A-team by the way.
WCS Apartheid cometh, all hail the casual audience, death to merit and hard work.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-24 05:12:12
March 24 2015 05:08 GMT
#6504
On March 22 2015 18:11 SiskosGoatee wrote:
Both finalists of the SSL and the GSL were non-Elephants. Never been a BW A-team by the way.


wow kespa literally the worst ever

even though they won both tournaments

KESPA FOREVER $$$$$$$$$$$
SiskosGoatee
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Albania1482 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-03 22:04:13
April 02 2015 12:08 GMT
#6505
On March 24 2015 14:08 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2015 18:11 SiskosGoatee wrote:
Both finalists of the SSL and the GSL were non-Elephants. Never been a BW A-team by the way.


wow kespa literally the worst ever

even though they won both tournaments

KESPA FOREVER $$$$$$$$$$$
Where did I even mention KeSPA?

The article doesn't even really mention KeSPA in any significance? It isn't about KeSPA, it's about BW A-teamers vs BW B-teamers or people who were never on a BW pro team to begin with.
WCS Apartheid cometh, all hail the casual audience, death to merit and hard work.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10821 Posts
April 12 2015 03:57 GMT
#6506
On March 22 2015 18:11 SiskosGoatee wrote:
Both finalists of the SSL and the GSL were non-Elephants. Never been a BW A-team by the way.


The BW A Team was whatever team Flash was on at the moment, so KT Rolster sounds about right.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
SiskosGoatee
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Albania1482 Posts
May 04 2015 09:13 GMT
#6507
On April 12 2015 12:57 GGzerG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2015 18:11 SiskosGoatee wrote:
Both finalists of the SSL and the GSL were non-Elephants. Never been a BW A-team by the way.


The BW A Team was whatever team Flash was on at the moment, so KT Rolster sounds about right.


A-Team vs B-Team in this sense means the divisions within teams. The A-Team players were the better players who got sent out in proleague, the B-teamers were essentially just glorified practice partners and dishwashers. These all were on the same teams.

Intrigues argument was that because many of the initial SC2 players were former B-teamers, once the A-teamers come in they would dominate the competition. It's a solid thesis in theory, but he or she overlooked one thing, they were only on the B-team for like 6 months and all BW A teamers started out on the B-team for about a year. The expectation is that they would've risen to the A-team as well had they continued to play BW.
WCS Apartheid cometh, all hail the casual audience, death to merit and hard work.
GrandSmurf
Profile Joined July 2003
Netherlands462 Posts
June 19 2015 13:13 GMT
#6508
On December 28 2014 07:27 Thrillz wrote:
Always nice to come back here once in a while. Boy were they off the mark with this one.


yes. i come here occasionally to gloat as well.

One time that happened and I just stopped everything, selected the offending SCV, hit Cancel, moved it over to my Barracks, made a Marine, had the Marine shoot it to death, then left the game.
Kerm
Profile Joined April 2010
France467 Posts
December 02 2015 08:36 GMT
#6509
With Flash retiring, I thought that was worth some thread necromancy... maybe the last one for this particular subject.

What i know is that I know nothing - [http://twitter.com/UncleKerm]
SiskosGoatee
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Albania1482 Posts
December 11 2015 20:40 GMT
#6510
Flash has been overhyped from the moment he started this game and never lived up to it. I mean, he was certainly not a bad player but the hype he got for someone who won one foreign tournament and never reached the Ro8 of a premier Korean league has always been excessive.

I like Polt's answer when he was asked if he thought Flash would ever become the greatest SC2 player, he just answered. "No, because Flash is only one player and there are a lot, the chance of any player becoming the greatest SC2 player is low." or something like that. Very smart response.
WCS Apartheid cometh, all hail the casual audience, death to merit and hard work.
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
May 16 2016 08:15 GMT
#6511
Now Jaedong might be retiring. So much for BW elites dominating SC2
Locutos
Profile Joined January 2017
Brazil273 Posts
July 30 2020 23:54 GMT
#6512
I think this kinda thread nowadays would have been:

Would Flash, JD and the other fellas have had such a success if the Serrals, Reynors and Marus of our time were old enough, at that time??

HAIL Starcraft II 10 Year anniversary, and the generations comparisons that come with it!!
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
July 31 2020 11:23 GMT
#6513
If SC2 community has the same mentality as BW's one, I guess it would look like it :

"BW competition is a farce, the scene is full of old players with broken bodies without any fresh blood, if the spaghetti boi entered the scene, he would win asl within a month and the duo Maru/Serral will make you all atheists.
As a very rafined and tasteful person, I watch the best rts competition in the world with the very best players in the world who would mop the floor with any bw players."

That's obviously not my perspective as I still enjoy a lot of Warcraft III.
It's sad TL has channeled this toxic bs back in the time because it really plagued the forum, this article was extremely insulting and just completely stupid, the elephant in the room was the new generation of players and the ones with the most ambition, as always.
an0maly_11
Profile Joined February 2024
2 Posts
February 27 2024 20:25 GMT
#6514
Well, 13 years later... this article did not age well.
Phyanketto
Profile Joined September 2011
United States601 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-10-26 01:07:15
October 26 2025 01:06 GMT
#6515
On May 12 2011 13:55 Azurues wrote:
Very good read. The SC1 will not just die, but it will only get better if not out "macro" SC2 players.

prophetic
On February 28 2024 05:25 an0maly_11 wrote:
Well, 13 years later... this article did not age well.

>thus far
but also, consider the how there were 2 games and one of them is significantly better than the other, the only thing sc2 has going for it is official support, ease of access, and shininess.
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