EPTMade some mistakes. Rogue looked fantastic so there was no room for mistakes. In game one Zest stupidly flew 2 Oracles over 8 Queens and lost them for nothing.
Great call by Rogue to make so many Queens for defense.
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Rolltide
United States447 Posts
Made some mistakes. Rogue looked fantastic so there was no room for mistakes. In game one Zest stupidly flew 2 Oracles over 8 Queens and lost them for nothing. Great call by Rogue to make so many Queens for defense. | ||
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Lil_nooblet
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 13 2017 00:47 The_Red_Viper wrote: Well not the best games vs Rogue, Zest still not delivering in korean offline leagues. You can't put him down for losing to the best zerg in the world. It's not like he played terrible. He could probably take out anyone else in Challenge except soO right now | ||
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Fango
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Shathe
Hungary422 Posts
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pvsnp
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Also, isn't PvT his best matchup? | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 13 2017 08:41 pvsnp wrote: Definitely a good sign that he can trade pretty evenly with INnoVation of all people. But I would like to see him do it offline before I'm totally sold on Zest being back. Also, isn't PvT his best matchup? He's been killing PvT and PvP. He's destroyed Gumi, Maru, ByuN, and Stats. And I honestly think if he chose a couple different openers against Inno he would have crushed him as well. That being said he doesn't have many PvZ victories lately (although Rogue has historically been his kryptonite in PvZ) | ||
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Rolltide
United States447 Posts
Perhaps Zest could learn something by watching the semifinal at blizzcon in 2015 when Rogue badly lost to sOs 3-0. Rogue was on a roll then after beating Maru and Hydra yet sOs had the formula to beat him easy. A very one sided match. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
(and he will always be the best ZvZer) | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On August 13 2017 11:20 Fango wrote: soO can't play against terran. That's enough to say he's not the best. Although to have a sub 50% winrate in a matchup and still be the 2nd highest ranked korean is very impressive. (and he will always be the best ZvZer) Would it be more accurate to say he is.....second best?  I'll show myself out. | ||
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Rolltide
United States447 Posts
SoO beat TY 3-2 in season one in that match where he trailed 0-2 so he can beat Terrans. He beat Maru 2-1 in group just before that. If the WCS standings hold as they are there will be 7 Zergs out of the 16 that make it and Rogue would not be one of them. So best Zerg without question? No! | ||
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Rolltide
United States447 Posts
https://wcs.starcraft2.com/en-us/standings/ SoO Dark Elazer Serral Nerchio Snute True | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Achievements from several months back don't mean anything when it comes to current form. | ||
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Rolltide
United States447 Posts
Achievements from several months back don't mean anything when it comes to current form. Who is only talking about current form mate? I never judge a player just on how they have been the last 2 weeks. A Premier league team that lost 2/3 of their matches can start playing great and it won't matter. In the NFL teams play 16 games from Sept to Dec then there is a playoff and you usually need to be 10-6 or better to make the playoffs. If a team is 4-8 after 12 games it will not matter at all if they get super hot and win their last 4. 8-8 .500 is still usually not enough! In team sports every game counts the same. If a team loses a game early in the season it still counts as a loss late in the season. | ||
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Rolltide
United States447 Posts
3 best Zergs in the world in one group! No need for debate here we will find out who is best. I'll be cheering for Dark. | ||
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Rolltide
United States447 Posts
I'm sorry it is a king of the hill event so there only is one game. They are playing for $500 a map! | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 13 2017 23:55 Rolltide wrote: Who is only talking about current form mate? I never judge a player just on how they have been the last 2 weeks. On August 13 2017 11:16 Rolltide wrote: It's between Rogue and SoO for the best Zerg right now So "best zerg right now" isn't based on form in the last couple months? Okay then Obviously soO is the second (or first) best zerg of all time for sc2. But in terms of current form, Rogue is better at ZvP and ZvT, and possibly ZvZ. SC2 is a game where player's skill level can change in a matter of weeks. Look at Zest as an example. If you use 2017 to judge him he's bloody terrible, but right now he's looking very strong (mainly in PvT, beating Maru, Gumi, Inno, and ByuN) | ||
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Rolltide
United States447 Posts
Being in top form now has little value if that player lost in group or qualifiers 5 weeks ago which is what happened to Zest in some tournaments. Zest lost qualifiers for IEM shanghai in late June and Masters Coliseum on July 2nd. So consistency over a period of time matters not just form over the last week. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
And no, when discussing a players form right now, results from months back don't mean anything. In Starcraft you can win GSL, and then lose in the ro32 a couple weeks later. Of course consistancy is important to being a good player overall, but you can't say someone is bad right now, because of results from months back. Rogue is just better than soO right now. If soO fixed his ZvT then maybe. They're on similar ZvZ and ZvP levels. | ||
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Rolltide
United States447 Posts
Bly just beat Neeb "right now". Who gives a flying crap? Neeb beat Byun and Hero, Hero beat Dear and dear beat your boy Rogue. Does that make Bly the world's best player "right now"? If Sunderland wins one match against Chelsea are they the best team "right now"? You might want to argue that but it means nothing! These guys are playing all the time! In Starcraft you can win GSL, and then lose in the ro32 a couple weeks later. Right so why does "right now" even matter? | ||
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