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plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
June 25 2015 13:19 GMT
#2241
Oh no, looking at the bracket he would only have to go against Protoss thereafter. I bet he died to another ling-bane all in again, while being slightly greedy. Flash really has to work on his TvZ, maybe the pacing of Z is giving him too much trouble.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55593 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-25 13:31:27
June 25 2015 13:26 GMT
#2242
On June 25 2015 22:19 plotspot wrote:
Oh no, looking at the bracket he would only have to go against Protoss thereafter. I bet he died to another ling-bane all in again, while being slightly greedy. Flash really has to work on his TvZ, maybe the pacing of Z is giving him too much trouble.

I also expect he died to all-ins. Games were over pretty quick compared to yesterday, and Sacsri isn't that good. A shame, really, he could have made it through the rest of the bracket. Alas, he made the KeSPA Cup (through a more difficult bracket given his TvZ weakness) and he's in GSL, that's decent enough for me.

Also note that (P)San is the only player who went through the KeSPA Cup qualifiers to also go through the SSL qualifiers today. Maybe playing 2 qualifiers in 2 days is difficult.
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plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
June 25 2015 13:40 GMT
#2243
Yo certainly, mental stress cannot be underestimated. It is this little feeling of diffuse inattention and being tired in your head, that makes you miss opportunities and overlook dangerous signs, hard to describe. With Flash I also have the feeling his oppenents go to extra lengths to beat him. His macro games are all very good. 90% of his losses are when he is mindgamed and "shenanigan"ed early on.
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
June 25 2015 14:04 GMT
#2244
I think too the mental stress is playing a big part. The schedule of these guys these days is insane! I guess this is why he skipped IEM qualis too.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55593 Posts
June 25 2015 14:14 GMT
#2245
Yeah well, as I said, I'm a bit disappointed that he lost like that because 1) the rest of his bracket was very much doable, 2) Sacsri isn't super strong so Flash should be able to beat him and 3) it's the first time he failed the SSL qualifiers.

But he'll be in Code A (and hopefully Code S, I hope you prepare well Flash) and KeSPA Cup as well as Proleague, so this isn't the saddest I've been about him losing this year.
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lastride
Profile Joined April 2014
2390 Posts
June 25 2015 15:46 GMT
#2246
I kinda was expecting Flash to lose this one, but not that early . I mean how many bo3 was he going to win before losing one? Only San made it through both qualifers and I bet he had a lot of luck on his side

Qualifers aside, TvZ is what Flash needs to work on. I dont get why this mu gives him so many problems. It is a shame to lose to early agression/run by's etc
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55593 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-25 17:30:02
June 25 2015 17:27 GMT
#2247
By the way I assume he also played worse today than yesterday (not having seen any games he played today and only one yesterday) because the KeSPA Cup qualis were online. He's repeatedly said he's doing better in practice than live (which I'm willing to believe from his streams). And he can treat an online qualifier as a practice match while the offline ones put more pressure on him.

That's like... my best explanation why he can beat Hydra but not Sacsri when I don't take the possibility of an all-in into account (not sure how much Hydra would be influenced by NA -> KR lag but if it was much I reckon their series wouldn't have gone on for 90 minutes).
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Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
June 25 2015 19:09 GMT
#2248
On June 26 2015 02:27 Elentos wrote:
By the way I assume he also played worse today than yesterday (not having seen any games he played today and only one yesterday) because the KeSPA Cup qualis were online. He's repeatedly said he's doing better in practice than live (which I'm willing to believe from his streams). And he can treat an online qualifier as a practice match while the offline ones put more pressure on him.

That's like... my best explanation why he can beat Hydra but not Sacsri when I don't take the possibility of an all-in into account (not sure how much Hydra would be influenced by NA -> KR lag but if it was much I reckon their series wouldn't have gone on for 90 minutes).


Its for sure unusual. Is there any vod for his games against Sacsri? I'd like to see how it all went down.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55593 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-25 19:11:11
June 25 2015 19:10 GMT
#2249
On June 26 2015 04:09 Alucen-Will- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2015 02:27 Elentos wrote:
By the way I assume he also played worse today than yesterday (not having seen any games he played today and only one yesterday) because the KeSPA Cup qualis were online. He's repeatedly said he's doing better in practice than live (which I'm willing to believe from his streams). And he can treat an online qualifier as a practice match while the offline ones put more pressure on him.

That's like... my best explanation why he can beat Hydra but not Sacsri when I don't take the possibility of an all-in into account (not sure how much Hydra would be influenced by NA -> KR lag but if it was much I reckon their series wouldn't have gone on for 90 minutes).


Its for sure unusual. Is there any vod for his games against Sacsri? I'd like to see how it all went down.

No. Best guess is that it involved all-ins but we don't know.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
June 25 2015 19:17 GMT
#2250
On June 26 2015 04:10 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2015 04:09 Alucen-Will- wrote:
On June 26 2015 02:27 Elentos wrote:
By the way I assume he also played worse today than yesterday (not having seen any games he played today and only one yesterday) because the KeSPA Cup qualis were online. He's repeatedly said he's doing better in practice than live (which I'm willing to believe from his streams). And he can treat an online qualifier as a practice match while the offline ones put more pressure on him.

That's like... my best explanation why he can beat Hydra but not Sacsri when I don't take the possibility of an all-in into account (not sure how much Hydra would be influenced by NA -> KR lag but if it was much I reckon their series wouldn't have gone on for 90 minutes).


Its for sure unusual. Is there any vod for his games against Sacsri? I'd like to see how it all went down.

No. Best guess is that it involved all-ins but we don't know.


It worries me slightly losing to Sacsri, particularly 2-0 the day after he qualifies for KeSPA Cup.

Personally, Sacsri is a very weak player and with hiFlash's recent form I was feeling a lot more optimistic about his play in the coming summer. I suppose we can never know without the vod's and sometimes there is a degree of luck/randomness in starcraft.

Who knows, but I hope his Achilles hill of losing to Aggressive zerg players is only a momentary one.
lastride
Profile Joined April 2014
2390 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-25 19:48:40
June 25 2015 19:40 GMT
#2251
On June 26 2015 04:17 Alucen-Will- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2015 04:10 Elentos wrote:
On June 26 2015 04:09 Alucen-Will- wrote:
On June 26 2015 02:27 Elentos wrote:
By the way I assume he also played worse today than yesterday (not having seen any games he played today and only one yesterday) because the KeSPA Cup qualis were online. He's repeatedly said he's doing better in practice than live (which I'm willing to believe from his streams). And he can treat an online qualifier as a practice match while the offline ones put more pressure on him.

That's like... my best explanation why he can beat Hydra but not Sacsri when I don't take the possibility of an all-in into account (not sure how much Hydra would be influenced by NA -> KR lag but if it was much I reckon their series wouldn't have gone on for 90 minutes).


Its for sure unusual. Is there any vod for his games against Sacsri? I'd like to see how it all went down.

No. Best guess is that it involved all-ins but we don't know.


It worries me slightly losing to Sacsri, particularly 2-0 the day after he qualifies for KeSPA Cup.

Personally, Sacsri is a very weak player and with hiFlash's recent form I was feeling a lot more optimistic about his play in the coming summer. I suppose we can never know without the vod's and sometimes there is a degree of luck/randomness in starcraft.

Who knows, but I hope his Achilles hill of losing to Aggressive zerg players is only a momentary one.

Flash has been losing to agrro/tricky zergs for as long as I can remember in sc2 Who knows, there might be a day when he finally ''figures'' this match up. The bw approach is obviously not working for him atm

I hope that loss vs Sacsri will be a good lesson for him, I dont want him to lose GSL games to freaken allins. That DongRaeGu ling run-by in GSL still hearts
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
June 27 2015 04:56 GMT
#2252
Flash will stream again! he is on fire!

Saturday, Jun 27 12:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (hope you guys see it)
MiniFotToss
Profile Joined December 2013
China2430 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-27 05:58:12
June 27 2015 05:57 GMT
#2253
On June 27 2015 13:56 Silvana wrote:
Flash will stream again! he is on fire!

Saturday, Jun 27 12:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (hope you guys see it)

I wonder if he is still going to practice with Rain for his GSL finals tomorrow, doubt it though?
Or will it beLife? His style is similar to Byul's right?


anyways SIGN ME UP, way overdue
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
June 27 2015 06:16 GMT
#2254
holy crap this OP so big - I'm getting lost! looks sick tho 8)
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55593 Posts
June 27 2015 08:02 GMT
#2255
On June 27 2015 15:16 Silvana wrote:
holy crap this OP so big - I'm getting lost! looks sick tho 8)

You can do it :3
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55593 Posts
June 27 2015 12:03 GMT
#2256
He's live with the stream. Don't have time to record his results today, so if anyone else wants to, feel free to do it.
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plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
June 27 2015 14:38 GMT
#2257
I only knew about this 15:00, so that's all I got:

+ Show Spoiler +

15:XX - 15:24 --- Flash vs Zerg on Coda ::: macro game, muta harass, fucklot of banelings, Flash dies with 4 bases after Ultralisk join the fray, 26min game
15:26 - 15:2X --- Flash vs ??? on Iron Fortress ::: game is aborted after 2min, Flash was constructing a rax
15:36 - 15:54 --- Flash vs Protoss on Vaani ::: quick 3rd CC, 9:40 Flash small push group spots colossus at enemy base and retreats, fake colossus it turns out later, 13:20 Flash noodles about with drops, two full medivacs are shot down, 16:00 some sort of base trade, but game stabilizes 18:00 Toss with Archons, Speedlots and Immortals, 20:00 mass Archons, 22:00 Flash on his 4th for a while now, Toss got natural sniped, but still has 2 bases, 23:XX Toss GGs after destroying Flash's 4th, as Flash is also constantly dropping and counterattacking
16:06 - 16:18 --- Flash vs Protoss on Iron Fortress ::: cross spawn, Flash bottom left, 3rax (2TL,1R), 8:00 moves out with his balanced MM army, Toss has blink stalkes and defends well, 10:00 5rax, 2base, Stalkers on his door, 11:00 3rd CC coming down, Toss only BS + WP Zealot harass so far, 15:00 Toss has Colossus, Flash going 8 rax, mass BS + 1 Col(after 2 were destroyed earlier) + Zealots rekt his 3rd, Flash GGs
16:21 - 16:33 --- Flash vs Zerg on Vaani ::: Flash bottom, CC first, 7:40 3rax,1fac,1star, 9:00 5rax, safety turrets, 4 Mutalisks arrive, otherwise no action so far, 10:00 3rd CC flies out, armory added, 11:40 his army moves out, sees ling-bane-muta and retreats from creep, 13:00 going 8rax, Thor added, 15:00 after losing a fight on creep, ling-muta knocks on his 3rd, 16:00 Zerg ling-muta keep flooding and are on his production, Flash GGs

1:3 Flash, not a good day^^
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55593 Posts
June 27 2015 16:52 GMT
#2258
On June 27 2015 23:38 plotspot wrote:
I only knew about this 15:00, so that's all I got:

+ Show Spoiler +

15:XX - 15:24 --- Flash vs Zerg on Coda ::: macro game, muta harass, fucklot of banelings, Flash dies with 4 bases after Ultralisk join the fray, 26min game
15:26 - 15:2X --- Flash vs ??? on Iron Fortress ::: game is aborted after 2min, Flash was constructing a rax
15:36 - 15:54 --- Flash vs Protoss on Vaani ::: quick 3rd CC, 9:40 Flash small push group spots colossus at enemy base and retreats, fake colossus it turns out later, 13:20 Flash noodles about with drops, two full medivacs are shot down, 16:00 some sort of base trade, but game stabilizes 18:00 Toss with Archons, Speedlots and Immortals, 20:00 mass Archons, 22:00 Flash on his 4th for a while now, Toss got natural sniped, but still has 2 bases, 23:XX Toss GGs after destroying Flash's 4th, as Flash is also constantly dropping and counterattacking
16:06 - 16:18 --- Flash vs Protoss on Iron Fortress ::: cross spawn, Flash bottom left, 3rax (2TL,1R), 8:00 moves out with his balanced MM army, Toss has blink stalkes and defends well, 10:00 5rax, 2base, Stalkers on his door, 11:00 3rd CC coming down, Toss only BS + WP Zealot harass so far, 15:00 Toss has Colossus, Flash going 8 rax, mass BS + 1 Col(after 2 were destroyed earlier) + Zealots rekt his 3rd, Flash GGs
16:21 - 16:33 --- Flash vs Zerg on Vaani ::: Flash bottom, CC first, 7:40 3rax,1fac,1star, 9:00 5rax, safety turrets, 4 Mutalisks arrive, otherwise no action so far, 10:00 3rd CC flies out, armory added, 11:40 his army moves out, sees ling-bane-muta and retreats from creep, 13:00 going 8rax, Thor added, 15:00 after losing a fight on creep, ling-muta knocks on his 3rd, 16:00 Zerg ling-muta keep flooding and are on his production, Flash GGs

1:3 Flash, not a good day^^

I see. I guess this is the worst performance on stream he had since his slump. Oh well. It happens.

His birthday is in a week, I hope KT manages to win the round as a gift :3
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Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
June 27 2015 17:10 GMT
#2259
He already got some presents

[image loading]

But I hope KT wins the round as well, they need it!
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55593 Posts
June 27 2015 17:49 GMT
#2260
On June 28 2015 02:10 Silvana wrote:
He already got some presents

[image loading]

But I hope KT wins the round as well, they need it!

Thankfully since KT, SKT, Jin Air and CJ made the CJ-miracle happen KT isn't that desperate for points. But it'd be really good for them to win a round this year once, and against SKT of all teams.
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