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AdrianHealey
Belgium480 Posts
Add to the OP (in spoiler) a few of the good posts regarding transgender issues; that clarify the issue, so we can redirect people to it, because this issue will keep popping up. Note also that all transgender people have different attitudes towards it. I hope this is a way that is most in accordance to how Scarlett herself wants to deal with it. | ||
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Czech M8
United States16 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
On April 11 2012 08:00 AdrianHealey wrote: Here is something that we might consider. Note that I am merely offering this for debate, not making a definitive statement. Add to the OP (in spoiler) a few of the good posts regarding transgender issues; that clarify the issue, so we can redirect people to it, because this issue will keep popping up. Note also that all transgender people have different attitudes towards it. I hope this is a way that is most in accordance to how Scarlett herself wants to deal with it. I don't think that's a good idea. Some people phrased it very well, this fanclub is simply about a player that happens to be that way, it's not a place to discuss the issue in general. If there was a black player, should we have a "poverty for black people and latent racism in the United States" article linked in the OP of that person's fanclub? | ||
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AnYvia
Bulgaria474 Posts
I would like to rewind time and go back 3 days in the past and be the first to make her a fanclub, saying in the OP that she is a transgender woman. Lets see if she gets 95+ pages then. And Im not saying that people wont like her because of that but she will have the same amount of fans as someone else who doesnt go deep in the Open Bracket... Please dont take this as a direct insult/hate post. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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BaconofWar
United States369 Posts
On April 11 2012 08:10 Grumbels wrote: I don't think that's a good idea. Some people phrased it very well, this fanclub is simply about a player that happens to be that way, it's not a place to discuss the issue in general. If there was a black player, should we have a "poverty for black people and latent racism in the United States" article linked in the OP of that person's fanclub? If that came up a lot in their fanclub, I say yes. And because it comes up so often in scarlett's fanclub, I think there should be something, at least to deter conversation away from it | ||
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pHaRSiDE
United States752 Posts
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KebertXela
United States322 Posts
On April 11 2012 08:14 AnYvia wrote: I hate it when a girl(?) does kinda OK at a huge tournament - she gets 90+ pages on her fanpage when there are people 10 times better that get a lesser amount of fans. If I make a fanclub of a guy who went to round 2-3 in some Open Bracket it would get closed. Whats so special about girl gamers? It just blows my mind... I would like to rewind time and go back 3 days in the past and be the first to make her a fanclub, saying in the OP that she is a transgender woman. Lets see if she gets 95+ pages then. And Im not saying that people wont like her because of that but she will have the same amount of fans as someone else who doesnt go deep in the Open Bracket... Please dont take this as a direct insult/hate post. Actually for a large amount of time, there was a thing in the OP about her situation but JOJO took it down yesterday for some reason. The reason this is so awesome is because she is a complete unknown without a team or any formal practice who then proceeded to slay top players. Also, her actual play is phenomenal as well! | ||
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Myrtroll
139 Posts
On April 11 2012 08:14 AnYvia wrote: I hate it when a girl(?) does kinda OK at a huge tournament Beating koreans at your first major tournament is "kinda OK"? Funny guy, show me another player who has started out with as much bang please... Please dont take this as a direct insult/hate post. That you have to write this, probably means that you shouldn't have posted this here. | ||
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Veriol
Czech Republic502 Posts
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sva
United States749 Posts
On April 11 2012 01:28 corpuscle wrote: She was born biologically male, but identifies and lives her life as a female; that sounds like a simple answer, but that's really it. It's not known whether she's undergone hormone treatment or gender reassignment surgery, and it's not really any of our business anyway. It's not really any of our business, but thank you for answering. Personally I don't care if she is male female or anything. My gf was very interested in it though. Scarlett is a person, and I think she could be a great sc2 player is she worked really hard. | ||
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PlagueWasp
United States216 Posts
On April 11 2012 08:26 Veriol wrote: Scarlett do you listen to music when u play? If so what genre/bands u prefer? One of her posts a few pages back answered a question somebody had asked about what music she listens to. If I remember correctly she said pop (k-pop, russian-pop, some american - lady gaga) and then she said she has been getting into some of the music normally heard on Stephano's stream. | ||
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JOJOsc2news
3000 Posts
On April 11 2012 08:00 AdrianHealey wrote: Here is something that we might consider. Note that I am merely offering this for debate, not making a definitive statement. Add to the OP (in spoiler) a few of the good posts regarding transgender issues; that clarify the issue, so we can redirect people to it, because this issue will keep popping up. Note also that all transgender people have different attitudes towards it. I hope this is a way that is most in accordance to how Scarlett herself wants to deal with it. @AdrianHealey I will answer generally and not directed at you. No, I will not do that (unless Scarlett tells me to). There was a statement in there for the first few days. I will not put it up again because it shouldn't be necessary. I will not make something an issue that isn't an issue by preemptively answering questions that don't need to be asked. And to be honest, the stuff that keeps popping up is aimed at stirring up debate and derailing this thread anyways. No matter what questions you have regarding transgender issues, there is lots of information available. Even on TL, heck even in the posts in this thread (an amazing post a few pages earlier). People should respect what is someones personal space and what is someones public persona and how far you can go with personal questions and statements. The play she has shown at IPL4, the cute interviews she has given and the info she's posted in here for us about her (in this thread) really made me a fan. She fucking rocks in my opinion (and I liked her even more when said that Season 2 of Dark Angel really wasn't the real deal anymore. So true!) I don't need her to share everything with me to be a fan and I think you (whoever is reading this) don't either. This is a StarCraft II player's fanclub. I would appreciate it if you would reply to this with private messages to me. I don't want to discuss my view point in what's really Scarlett's thread.  | ||
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Chytilova
United States790 Posts
On April 11 2012 08:14 AnYvia wrote: I hate it when a girl(?) does kinda OK at a huge tournament - she gets 90+ pages on her fanpage when there are people 10 times better that get a lesser amount of fans. If I make a fanclub of a guy who went to round 2-3 in some Open Bracket it would get closed. Whats so special about girl gamers? It just blows my mind... I would like to rewind time and go back 3 days in the past and be the first to make her a fanclub, saying in the OP that she is a transgender woman. Lets see if she gets 95+ pages then. And Im not saying that people wont like her because of that but she will have the same amount of fans as someone else who doesnt go deep in the Open Bracket... Please dont take this as a direct insult/hate post. Ummmm... she came out of nowhere without a team, beat a Korean, didn't lose a game to a foreigner and went toe-to-toe with a Code S Korean. As with any other sport, that is a huge underdog story that people love. The fact that she is a girl gamer probably elevated it, but a fan club would've definitely been immediately started for a guy as well. Also she made it to Winner's Round 3 then Loser's Round 5 in the, widely acknowledged, hardest Open Bracket to date in Starcraft 2. That is not "round 2-3 in some Open Bracket." Also ironically it got to 95+ pages because people, like you (ie non-fan I'm assuming), coming in here and rousing up the supporters. Final final point, Scarlett is awesome and did a little Q&A here as well which bumped the page count up quite a bit. <3 Scarlett | ||
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aRRoSC2
Denmark241 Posts
I will have some more questions when I finish thoroughly analyzing those four replays, and thanks for those!For now I have one question - if I'm not very mistaken, I saw you get both +3 melee and +3 ranged attacks in the first game vs Oz, and I didn't see a simultaneous carapace upgrade. What's the reason for that? Oh, and JOJO, you can add me as a fan | ||
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00Visor
4337 Posts
On April 11 2012 08:14 AnYvia wrote: I hate it when a girl(?) does kinda OK at a huge tournament - she gets 90+ pages on her fanpage when there are people 10 times better that get a lesser amount of fans. If I make a fanclub of a guy who went to round 2-3 in some Open Bracket it would get closed. Whats so special about girl gamers? It just blows my mind... I would like to rewind time and go back 3 days in the past and be the first to make her a fanclub, saying in the OP that she is a transgender woman. Lets see if she gets 95+ pages then. And Im not saying that people wont like her because of that but she will have the same amount of fans as someone else who doesnt go deep in the Open Bracket... Please dont take this as a direct insult/hate post. You are making up some serious nonsense. Scarlett has posted her 'outing' on page 3(!), it was quickly added to the OP, so it's been known pretty much since the beginning. Then she didnt just made it to round 2-3, she beat 3 (almost 4) well established pros. This is by far the biggest amateur run of any gender. A guy would have had a fanclub as well for sure. Of course it wouldnt have been as big. Obviously being a girl is special and that attention had to be expected. What is so special about Idra (by far biggest), Nony, Incontrol and Destiny, who all have big fanclubs? Alives fanclub has 9 pages. | ||
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KebertXela
United States322 Posts
On April 11 2012 08:26 Veriol wrote: Scarlett do you listen to music when u play? If so what genre/bands u prefer? She answered a very similar question earlier. On April 10 2012 09:22 Scarlett` wrote: mostly pop >_< (american/russian/korean) . my favourite kpop is 4minute(&&hyuna) favourite apop lady gaga (and maybe taylor momsen though that is not pop) and i love t.A.T.u. from russia recently i have also started to listening to some older alt./rock stuff mostly similar to what stephano listens to (get most of my playlist from his stream ^^) Scarlett, if you are starting to listen to older alternative, you might want to give this or this a shot. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
On April 11 2012 08:37 00Visor wrote: You are making up some serious nonsense. Scarlett has posted her 'outing' on page 3(!), it was quickly added to the OP, so it's been known pretty much since the beginning. Then she didnt just made it to round 2-3, she beat 3 (almost 4) well established pros. This is by far the biggest amateur run of any gender. A guy would have had a fanclub as well for sure. Of course it wouldnt have been as big. Obviously being a girl is special and that attention had to be expected. What is so special about Idra (by far biggest), Nony, Incontrol and Destiny, who all have big fanclubs? Alives fanclub has 9 pages. The entire idea is silly anyway, everyone's free to be a fan of any player for any reason, they don't need to defend themselves. I myself am a fan since I thought she was so shy and cute in her interviews and she seems like she has potential to do even better in future tournaments! <3 I don't think anyone should feel bad about supporting some player based on 'arbitrary' reasons that aren't about playing skill. On April 11 2012 08:52 KebertXela wrote: She answered a very similar question earlier. Scarlett, if you are starting to listen to older alternative, you might want to give this or this a shot. lol... why not link her to this (link) video right away  | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
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KebertXela
United States322 Posts
Lol, I didn't think of that song. It is a good song though with meaningful lyrics. | ||
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lolspoon
450 Posts
On April 11 2012 07:07 Izmir Stinger wrote: No. You may wish you lived in a world with no transgender women, but if you want to pretend you live in that world, you need to cover your eyes, stick your fingers in your ears and shout "La,La,La!" This world has transgender women in it and at least one of them kicks ass at Starcraft. Well, you did not get my post...... Edit: and I am too tired to explain, because this is exactly what I am reffering to, stop talking about transgeders etc every fucking page. Its old and everything been said and it just stupid. Let, her, be... And if anyone else doesnt understand - I am not being offensive, but protective. | ||
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