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im so pumped for mlg man. i say stephano's gonna take it this time!
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On August 21 2012 05:56 remodemo wrote:
im so pumped for mlg man. i say stephano's gonna take it this time!
Against Protoss and Terran very very crucial, nearly unbeatable. ZvZ is terrible at korea gm, only cheese, too many 6/7/8 pool opening. There was a trolling laddermatch: 7pool vs 9pool, stephano lost against 9pool 
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On August 21 2012 05:56 remodemo wrote:
im so pumped for mlg man. i say stephano's gonna take it this time!
I hope so, but I don't think so.
I don't think his win rate on the korean GM ladder was high enough .. 
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On August 21 2012 05:56 remodemo wrote:
im so pumped for mlg man. i say stephano's gonna take it this time!
I'm going to be there to see it!!! Have already written up my Stephano and JD cheerfuls
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On August 21 2012 05:00 The_Darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 04:05 Larkin wrote:On August 20 2012 22:26 Anta wrote:On August 20 2012 19:55 Black17 wrote:If, like me, you miss Stephano's play, check that game (one of my favorite holds of Stephano ever coz of the commentaries and 2gd haha): http://sv.twitch.tv/thegdstudio/b/320260515 and go to ~ 2:34:00 don't want to rant on idra but i recently watched his stream sometimes when stephano doesn't stream and idra would just have quit when he saw the mass rines + scv train ^^ if i would a team mate or even his coach (i know they don't really have one) i would try to convince him that he just hangs on in this games a little longer to try to make smth happen. i have seen him so many times just quit when he saw a cheese incoming caughting him with 3 hatch. one comment in the chat was "unfortunately this would be a loss in a tournament game" and this sums it up right. He should try at least. Stephano ALWAYS at least tries to hold also when he streams his ladder games and sometimes he can pull smth like that. i think it's very wise to at least try - you can learn even from the hardest cheese which normally should kill you. at least it is a training for micro and stephano's micro is just so good that he even can make smth like this happen. Idra knows the game so well, he knows when he'll lose to an all-in and when he can try and hold it. He's an emotional player and trying and failing to hold an all in is more demoralising and frustrating than just getting out of there ASAP, and playing a proper game. Besides, people only cheese him because they know they can't win in a macro game. NA ladder, ladies and gentlemen. Idra does know the game well, but Idra's poor judgment about what fights he'll win or lose is probably his biggest failing, as has been recognized by nearly everyone -- I believe Idra included. Idra's bad judgment calls about when to leave (albeit given the privileged positions we have as observers) are pretty legendary (e.g., games against Huk and MMA spring immediately to mind). I didn't think that even Idra's fans denied this but I could be wrong.
the game agaisnt MMA was never really explained, noone asked about it in any interviews i saw and i never heard him ever ever mention it so its just an outlier and cant be used as Data
the game agaisnt HuK does make some sense it was a tense of game really back and forth, when he saw the VRs he assumed that HuK had hid some starports and cranked out some VRs and he never scouted it, NOONE used Hallucination in those days not even a hallu phoenix to scout and noones ever really tried to do waht HuK did there again
by taht time of the game your not really thinking your minds going a mile a minute and your just reacting to waht you see and going along with your rythm
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On August 21 2012 11:34 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 05:00 The_Darkness wrote:On August 21 2012 04:05 Larkin wrote:On August 20 2012 22:26 Anta wrote:On August 20 2012 19:55 Black17 wrote:If, like me, you miss Stephano's play, check that game (one of my favorite holds of Stephano ever coz of the commentaries and 2gd haha): http://sv.twitch.tv/thegdstudio/b/320260515 and go to ~ 2:34:00 don't want to rant on idra but i recently watched his stream sometimes when stephano doesn't stream and idra would just have quit when he saw the mass rines + scv train ^^ if i would a team mate or even his coach (i know they don't really have one) i would try to convince him that he just hangs on in this games a little longer to try to make smth happen. i have seen him so many times just quit when he saw a cheese incoming caughting him with 3 hatch. one comment in the chat was "unfortunately this would be a loss in a tournament game" and this sums it up right. He should try at least. Stephano ALWAYS at least tries to hold also when he streams his ladder games and sometimes he can pull smth like that. i think it's very wise to at least try - you can learn even from the hardest cheese which normally should kill you. at least it is a training for micro and stephano's micro is just so good that he even can make smth like this happen. Idra knows the game so well, he knows when he'll lose to an all-in and when he can try and hold it. He's an emotional player and trying and failing to hold an all in is more demoralising and frustrating than just getting out of there ASAP, and playing a proper game. Besides, people only cheese him because they know they can't win in a macro game. NA ladder, ladies and gentlemen. Idra does know the game well, but Idra's poor judgment about what fights he'll win or lose is probably his biggest failing, as has been recognized by nearly everyone -- I believe Idra included. Idra's bad judgment calls about when to leave (albeit given the privileged positions we have as observers) are pretty legendary (e.g., games against Huk and MMA spring immediately to mind). I didn't think that even Idra's fans denied this but I could be wrong. the game agaisnt MMA was never really explained, noone asked about it in any interviews i saw and i never heard him ever ever mention it so its just an outlier and cant be used as Data the game agaisnt HuK does make some sense it was a tense of game really back and forth, when he saw the VRs he assumed that HuK had hid some starports and cranked out some VRs and he never scouted it, NOONE used Hallucination in those days not even a hallu phoenix to scout and noones ever really tried to do waht HuK did there again by taht time of the game your not really thinking your minds going a mile a minute and your just reacting to waht you see and going along with your rythm
I agree with you and ill also like to add that the game vs Huk was still in the early days of Starcraft 2 and I don't think many zerg players had experience fighting vs hallucinations. So of course it would happen to someone it just happened to be Idra.
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On August 21 2012 11:39 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 11:34 Forikorder wrote:On August 21 2012 05:00 The_Darkness wrote:On August 21 2012 04:05 Larkin wrote:On August 20 2012 22:26 Anta wrote:On August 20 2012 19:55 Black17 wrote:If, like me, you miss Stephano's play, check that game (one of my favorite holds of Stephano ever coz of the commentaries and 2gd haha): http://sv.twitch.tv/thegdstudio/b/320260515 and go to ~ 2:34:00 don't want to rant on idra but i recently watched his stream sometimes when stephano doesn't stream and idra would just have quit when he saw the mass rines + scv train ^^ if i would a team mate or even his coach (i know they don't really have one) i would try to convince him that he just hangs on in this games a little longer to try to make smth happen. i have seen him so many times just quit when he saw a cheese incoming caughting him with 3 hatch. one comment in the chat was "unfortunately this would be a loss in a tournament game" and this sums it up right. He should try at least. Stephano ALWAYS at least tries to hold also when he streams his ladder games and sometimes he can pull smth like that. i think it's very wise to at least try - you can learn even from the hardest cheese which normally should kill you. at least it is a training for micro and stephano's micro is just so good that he even can make smth like this happen. Idra knows the game so well, he knows when he'll lose to an all-in and when he can try and hold it. He's an emotional player and trying and failing to hold an all in is more demoralising and frustrating than just getting out of there ASAP, and playing a proper game. Besides, people only cheese him because they know they can't win in a macro game. NA ladder, ladies and gentlemen. Idra does know the game well, but Idra's poor judgment about what fights he'll win or lose is probably his biggest failing, as has been recognized by nearly everyone -- I believe Idra included. Idra's bad judgment calls about when to leave (albeit given the privileged positions we have as observers) are pretty legendary (e.g., games against Huk and MMA spring immediately to mind). I didn't think that even Idra's fans denied this but I could be wrong. the game agaisnt MMA was never really explained, noone asked about it in any interviews i saw and i never heard him ever ever mention it so its just an outlier and cant be used as Data the game agaisnt HuK does make some sense it was a tense of game really back and forth, when he saw the VRs he assumed that HuK had hid some starports and cranked out some VRs and he never scouted it, NOONE used Hallucination in those days not even a hallu phoenix to scout and noones ever really tried to do waht HuK did there again by taht time of the game your not really thinking your minds going a mile a minute and your just reacting to waht you see and going along with your rythm I agree with you and ill also like to add that the game vs Huk was still in the early days of Starcraft 2 and I don't think many zerg players had experience fighting vs hallucinations. So of course it would happen to someone it just happened to be Idra.
plus IdrA fought his way through the losers bracket and beat HuK the next time if i remember right so all in all it didnt really hurt his run
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On August 21 2012 11:40 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 11:39 Benjamin99 wrote:On August 21 2012 11:34 Forikorder wrote:On August 21 2012 05:00 The_Darkness wrote:On August 21 2012 04:05 Larkin wrote:On August 20 2012 22:26 Anta wrote:On August 20 2012 19:55 Black17 wrote:If, like me, you miss Stephano's play, check that game (one of my favorite holds of Stephano ever coz of the commentaries and 2gd haha): http://sv.twitch.tv/thegdstudio/b/320260515 and go to ~ 2:34:00 don't want to rant on idra but i recently watched his stream sometimes when stephano doesn't stream and idra would just have quit when he saw the mass rines + scv train ^^ if i would a team mate or even his coach (i know they don't really have one) i would try to convince him that he just hangs on in this games a little longer to try to make smth happen. i have seen him so many times just quit when he saw a cheese incoming caughting him with 3 hatch. one comment in the chat was "unfortunately this would be a loss in a tournament game" and this sums it up right. He should try at least. Stephano ALWAYS at least tries to hold also when he streams his ladder games and sometimes he can pull smth like that. i think it's very wise to at least try - you can learn even from the hardest cheese which normally should kill you. at least it is a training for micro and stephano's micro is just so good that he even can make smth like this happen. Idra knows the game so well, he knows when he'll lose to an all-in and when he can try and hold it. He's an emotional player and trying and failing to hold an all in is more demoralising and frustrating than just getting out of there ASAP, and playing a proper game. Besides, people only cheese him because they know they can't win in a macro game. NA ladder, ladies and gentlemen. Idra does know the game well, but Idra's poor judgment about what fights he'll win or lose is probably his biggest failing, as has been recognized by nearly everyone -- I believe Idra included. Idra's bad judgment calls about when to leave (albeit given the privileged positions we have as observers) are pretty legendary (e.g., games against Huk and MMA spring immediately to mind). I didn't think that even Idra's fans denied this but I could be wrong. the game agaisnt MMA was never really explained, noone asked about it in any interviews i saw and i never heard him ever ever mention it so its just an outlier and cant be used as Data the game agaisnt HuK does make some sense it was a tense of game really back and forth, when he saw the VRs he assumed that HuK had hid some starports and cranked out some VRs and he never scouted it, NOONE used Hallucination in those days not even a hallu phoenix to scout and noones ever really tried to do waht HuK did there again by taht time of the game your not really thinking your minds going a mile a minute and your just reacting to waht you see and going along with your rythm I agree with you and ill also like to add that the game vs Huk was still in the early days of Starcraft 2 and I don't think many zerg players had experience fighting vs hallucinations. So of course it would happen to someone it just happened to be Idra. plus IdrA fought his way through the losers bracket and beat HuK the next time if i remember right so all in all it didnt really hurt his run
I cant remember what tournament it was. But was it dreamhack invitational where MC won over White-ra in the final? Or am I totally wrong
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On August 21 2012 11:42 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 11:40 Forikorder wrote:On August 21 2012 11:39 Benjamin99 wrote:On August 21 2012 11:34 Forikorder wrote:On August 21 2012 05:00 The_Darkness wrote:On August 21 2012 04:05 Larkin wrote:On August 20 2012 22:26 Anta wrote:On August 20 2012 19:55 Black17 wrote:If, like me, you miss Stephano's play, check that game (one of my favorite holds of Stephano ever coz of the commentaries and 2gd haha): http://sv.twitch.tv/thegdstudio/b/320260515 and go to ~ 2:34:00 don't want to rant on idra but i recently watched his stream sometimes when stephano doesn't stream and idra would just have quit when he saw the mass rines + scv train ^^ if i would a team mate or even his coach (i know they don't really have one) i would try to convince him that he just hangs on in this games a little longer to try to make smth happen. i have seen him so many times just quit when he saw a cheese incoming caughting him with 3 hatch. one comment in the chat was "unfortunately this would be a loss in a tournament game" and this sums it up right. He should try at least. Stephano ALWAYS at least tries to hold also when he streams his ladder games and sometimes he can pull smth like that. i think it's very wise to at least try - you can learn even from the hardest cheese which normally should kill you. at least it is a training for micro and stephano's micro is just so good that he even can make smth like this happen. Idra knows the game so well, he knows when he'll lose to an all-in and when he can try and hold it. He's an emotional player and trying and failing to hold an all in is more demoralising and frustrating than just getting out of there ASAP, and playing a proper game. Besides, people only cheese him because they know they can't win in a macro game. NA ladder, ladies and gentlemen. Idra does know the game well, but Idra's poor judgment about what fights he'll win or lose is probably his biggest failing, as has been recognized by nearly everyone -- I believe Idra included. Idra's bad judgment calls about when to leave (albeit given the privileged positions we have as observers) are pretty legendary (e.g., games against Huk and MMA spring immediately to mind). I didn't think that even Idra's fans denied this but I could be wrong. the game agaisnt MMA was never really explained, noone asked about it in any interviews i saw and i never heard him ever ever mention it so its just an outlier and cant be used as Data the game agaisnt HuK does make some sense it was a tense of game really back and forth, when he saw the VRs he assumed that HuK had hid some starports and cranked out some VRs and he never scouted it, NOONE used Hallucination in those days not even a hallu phoenix to scout and noones ever really tried to do waht HuK did there again by taht time of the game your not really thinking your minds going a mile a minute and your just reacting to waht you see and going along with your rythm I agree with you and ill also like to add that the game vs Huk was still in the early days of Starcraft 2 and I don't think many zerg players had experience fighting vs hallucinations. So of course it would happen to someone it just happened to be Idra. plus IdrA fought his way through the losers bracket and beat HuK the next time if i remember right so all in all it didnt really hurt his run I cant remember what tournament it was. But was it dreamhack invitational where MC won over White-ra in the final? Or am I totally wrong
the halluc game was at an MLG i think MC won a dreamhack but i dont know the details, you can lookup MCs liquipedia page and itll probably have his tourny wins
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Too much talk about Idra here. This is not the Idra fanclub. Idra talk should be limited to whether he is going to be living with Stephano soon or not. No need to rehash Idra's past glories and failures here. He has his own fanclub for that.
I know he was on vacation and then training at TSL House, but watching the recent ASUS ROG and IEM Cologne, I cannot help thinking Stephano would have done very well at those tournaments considering how other Zergs did there.
Hopefully Stephano can do well at MLG, he will probably be a contender. I would like to see a match against Taeja or a rematch against Oz. That would be dramatic.
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You either die a foreigners' hero, or live long enough to see yourself join EG. 
Jokes aside, good luck to you.
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@MillStephano will leave @M_Millenium after this @MLG for an awesome salary. He has been working hard with us for the past 4 years. GLHF bb
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predictable, so now it's either EG or SK
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Hope it's not EG but i think it's already done with them
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will he have another twitter account?
i hope he sign up egstephano before any others.
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well, there already is a egstephano account, but, is it real him?
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i'm so sad TT, well good luck Stephano. 
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I hope for his sake that he doesn't join their teamhouse, he does almost all his training on ladder, playing against combatex and destiny is not going to make him improve ....
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On August 21 2012 22:23 FaRess wrote:
I hope for his sake that he doesn't join their teamhouse, he does almost all his training on ladder, playing against combatex and destiny is not going to make him improve ....
Yeah, hopefully he stays in Europe to train.
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EPT
