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On July 12 2012 09:13 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 08:32 revel8 wrote:On July 12 2012 06:59 Azarkon wrote:On July 12 2012 05:00 The_Darkness wrote:On July 12 2012 02:54 Azarkon wrote:On July 12 2012 02:41 a3den wrote:On July 12 2012 01:58 Khonsou wrote:
Well, I hope he gets his sh*t together because he didn't look scary at all the last couple of time his games were shown. I agree, for the first time in a long time, I feel like he's gonna get bodied at NASL & MLG Summer. Too much travel takes its toll, and I know he says he doesn't need much practice to be good, but that's too little right now. Fortunately, Korea is around the corner so the timing isn't that bad. Yeah, HerO is a huge challenge for him in great form, and he isn't in great form. I said that one day, the music is going to end for Stephano - is this going to be that day? Are you implying that if Stephano loses to Hero his career is over -- or that he's no longer an elite player? It's idiotic to suggest that a loss to Hero would imply some sort of failing on the part of any Zerg. DRG just got spanked by Hero in the IPL imports tournament so perhaps, if you're suggesting that losing to Hero means you're done, you should alert DRG's fans to the fact that "music has ended" for DRG, if you haven't already. Also, since you're not a fan of Stephano, why do you bother posting in this fanclub? By the sycophantic definition of fandom, I am not a fan of any player, because I refuse to be a sychophant who gives players a pass whenever they lose / make mistakes, and who over hypes them at the cost of objectivity. Yet, I do think I am a fan of Stephano, because I have a special attachment to his play and character and will tune in to events that he attends specifically to watch him play and to root for him - which is the better definition of fandom, in my opinion. But whether you think I'm a fan, it has no bearing on posting in the fanclub because the way TL fanclubs operate, they are discussion threads for individual players, and because what I'm saying is specific to Stephano, it belongs nowhere else. With that out of the way, I am not saying that if Stephano loses to HerO his career is over. Rather, I am musing on whether this is going to be the beginning of a slump for Stephano. His refusal to practice ZvZ - and inability to practice hard towards addressing his weaknesses - was bound to bite him, and I have been observing declines in his play from about 2-3 months prior. Presently speaking, I don't think he's ready for HerO, and failing in the first round of NASL is not going to do well for his confidence. Furthermore, with no time in between NASL finals, IEM quals, and MLG Summer Arena, he won't have an opportunity to regain his form after it. It has all the setup of an incoming slump period, and with it the end of his reputation of being the best NA / EU player. That is what I'm talking about when I say that the music is ending - Stephano gets a pass in a lot of areas because he is the best NA / EU player. He is able to, for example, forfeit tournaments repeatedly without losing his sponsorship, and without tournament organizers banning him from their events. When he streams, he is able to get >9000 viewers. All of this is because he is the best, and that is the reputation he has to maintain for the music and the parties to continue. Azarkon, you've been complaining about his in-game mistakes since start of MLG Spring Arena 2 and 15 Korean scalps and $22,000 later you are still beating this drum. I think it is fair to say, you are a bit of a pessimist! Why not wait until he hits a slump before wailing and gnashing your teeth over Stephano getting into a slump? Don't you agree that he feels not nearly as dominant as he once did when you see him play? He still has great micro and pulls off amazing engagements, but overall it seems like everyone improved and he stagnated. The zerg buff balanced that out a bit, but I feel that with more (and more focused) training, he'd be on a completely different level compared to where he is now.
Not really. I look at the list of all those notable players he has defeated recently - Polt, Puma, Huk, Nerchio, MC, Squirtle, Bomber, Ryung, Alicia, Ganzi, Parting, Keen, Ret, Violet, Curious, JYP and this impresses me greatly. I see him being really comfortable now against quality Terran opponents and see a massive improvement there compared to Feb 2012. I see him remaining dominant against Protoss. The only concern is ZvZ but this is still impressive - he has beaten Ret, Curious, Violet, and Nerchio in LANS in the last few months. I saw him going 5-0 in his Groups at MLG Spring Championship and getting joint 3rd at DreamHack and that fills me with confidence not trepidation.
I think it has been a really exciting year for SC2 in general and Stephano fans in particular and looking at the events calendar, the major Tournaments keep on coming.
If Stephano hits a slump, I'll worry about it but it hasn't happened yet.
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Stephano is soooo good!! :D one of my favorite zergs!
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Is there any other foreigners who beat such a nice list of notable koreans recently ? :o
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On July 12 2012 09:53 Shun12 wrote:
Is there any other foreigners who beat such a nice list of notable koreans recently ? :o
Is there any other players, koreans and foreigners, who beat such a nice list of notable players recently ? DRG, MKP maybe.
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Just lisen too FilipinoChamp (Evo champion) and i was imagine Stephano with his mentality....He would be the Chuck Norris of SC2.
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On July 12 2012 06:59 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 05:00 The_Darkness wrote:On July 12 2012 02:54 Azarkon wrote:On July 12 2012 02:41 a3den wrote:On July 12 2012 01:58 Khonsou wrote:
Well, I hope he gets his sh*t together because he didn't look scary at all the last couple of time his games were shown. I agree, for the first time in a long time, I feel like he's gonna get bodied at NASL & MLG Summer. Too much travel takes its toll, and I know he says he doesn't need much practice to be good, but that's too little right now. Fortunately, Korea is around the corner so the timing isn't that bad. Yeah, HerO is a huge challenge for him in great form, and he isn't in great form. I said that one day, the music is going to end for Stephano - is this going to be that day? Are you implying that if Stephano loses to Hero his career is over -- or that he's no longer an elite player? It's idiotic to suggest that a loss to Hero would imply some sort of failing on the part of any Zerg. DRG just got spanked by Hero in the IPL imports tournament so perhaps, if you're suggesting that losing to Hero means you're done, you should alert DRG's fans to the fact that "music has ended" for DRG, if you haven't already. Also, since you're not a fan of Stephano, why do you bother posting in this fanclub? By the sycophantic definition of fandom, I am not a fan of any player, because I refuse to be a sychophant who gives players a pass whenever they lose / make mistakes, and who over hypes them at the cost of objectivity. Yet, I do think I am a fan of Stephano, because I have a special attachment to his play and character and will tune in to events that he attends specifically to watch him play and to root for him - which is the better definition of fandom, in my opinion. But whether you think I'm a fan, it has no bearing on posting in the fanclub because the way TL fanclubs operate, they are discussion threads for individual players, and because what I'm saying is specific to Stephano, it belongs nowhere else. With that out of the way, I am not saying that if Stephano loses to HerO his career is over. Rather, I am musing on whether this is going to be the beginning of a slump for Stephano. His refusal to practice ZvZ - and inability to practice hard towards addressing his weaknesses - was bound to bite him, and I have been observing declines in his play from about 2-3 months prior. Presently speaking, I don't think he's ready for HerO, and failing in the first round of NASL is not going to do well for his confidence. Furthermore, with no time in between NASL finals, IEM quals, and MLG Summer Arena, he won't have an opportunity to regain his form after it. It has all the setup of an incoming slump period, and with it the end of his reputation of being the best NA / EU player. That is what I'm talking about when I say that the music is ending - Stephano gets a pass in a lot of areas because he is the best NA / EU player. He is able to, for example, forfeit tournaments repeatedly without losing his sponsorship, and without tournament organizers banning him from their events. When he streams, he is able to get >9000 viewers. All of this is because he is the best, and that is the reputation he has to maintain for the music and the parties to continue.
You're simply pointlessly negative, which is your right, but if you believe you see serious flaws in Stephano's play of late when he has the third best Elo and has performed better, on average, than everyone else in the past two months in international events you're simply uninformed, or alternatively if you're not uninformed, an idiot. It goes without saying that his play is not perfect and that he should practice more but then again if he has serious problems in his play he wouldn't win have a 70%+ win rate in 2012 in the most competitive foreign events.
If nothing else SCII has proven that no one rules forever -- not MVP, not MMA, not Nestea, etc. -- everyone eventually slumps, so if you keep saying that about Stephano you're bound to be right. Then you can brag to everyone, when he eventually enters a rough stretch, about how you called it 3 months ago in Stephano's fanclub, when (almost) everyone else was blithely celebrating his achievements, completely and inexecusably unaware of his impending demise. Finally if Idra is any indication, international fans tend to be loyal to players even when they perform poorly for long periods so I wouldn't expect a mass exodus in the event he does "slump" (which many in this fanclub seem to equate with not simply not winning a major tournament, regardless of how well he does in the tournament).
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On July 12 2012 09:10 Anta wrote:
be careful with that jokes about jews and germans
As half jew from my father and half german from my mother, I actually laugh twice. :D
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On July 12 2012 17:42 Vanadiel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 09:10 Anta wrote:
be careful with that jokes about jews and germans As half jew from my father and half german from my mother, I actually laugh twice. :D
And Stephano as tunisian root has 50% chance of having jewish member in his family 
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On July 12 2012 17:54 Pogomais wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 17:42 Vanadiel wrote:On July 12 2012 09:10 Anta wrote:
be careful with that jokes about jews and germans As half jew from my father and half german from my mother, I actually laugh twice. :D And Stephano as tunisian root has 50% chance of having jewish member in his family
Jewish population in Tunisia is around 1%. The closest I could think of where you could have gotten 50% is by confusing Arab-berbers (98% of Tunisia population) with Jewish and assuming that one of his parents is Tunisian.
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On July 12 2012 17:42 Vanadiel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 09:10 Anta wrote:
be careful with that jokes about jews and germans As half jew from my father and half german from my mother, I actually laugh twice. :D
It's not insulting for jews, it's insulting towards germans.
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On July 12 2012 18:04 Jakalo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 17:54 Pogomais wrote:On July 12 2012 17:42 Vanadiel wrote:On July 12 2012 09:10 Anta wrote:
be careful with that jokes about jews and germans As half jew from my father and half german from my mother, I actually laugh twice. :D And Stephano as tunisian root has 50% chance of having jewish member in his family Jewish population in Tunisia is around 1%. The closest I could think of where you could have gotten 50% is by confusing Arab-berbers (98% of Tunisia population) with Jewish and assuming that one of his parents is Tunisian.
I dont speak about the actual population in Tunisia but about the tunisian migrant in France.
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On July 12 2012 17:42 Vanadiel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 09:10 Anta wrote:
be careful with that jokes about jews and germans As half jew from my father and half german from my mother, I actually laugh twice. :D
you're so full of win :D
germans need to relax and accept joking about it, or they enforce the stereotype about nazi deutschland
it's just black humor, good one at that :D
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On July 12 2012 18:07 BeHave wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 17:42 Vanadiel wrote:On July 12 2012 09:10 Anta wrote:
be careful with that jokes about jews and germans As half jew from my father and half german from my mother, I actually laugh twice. :D It's not insulting for jews, it's insulting towards germans.
Okay, then I'm allowed to laugh just once? 
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everybody calm down pls
thx
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so i think it was a fucking stupid thing to say its a veeeeeeery sensitive topic here in germany, i dont think u can really imagine that outside of germany. but we all know stephano was just joking, and everyone who jokes a lot (me included) know how quickly u can joke and say something very stupid.. so he just should be careful and maybe apologize to hasu
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On July 12 2012 10:49 The_Darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 06:59 Azarkon wrote:On July 12 2012 05:00 The_Darkness wrote:On July 12 2012 02:54 Azarkon wrote:On July 12 2012 02:41 a3den wrote:On July 12 2012 01:58 Khonsou wrote:
Well, I hope he gets his sh*t together because he didn't look scary at all the last couple of time his games were shown. I agree, for the first time in a long time, I feel like he's gonna get bodied at NASL & MLG Summer. Too much travel takes its toll, and I know he says he doesn't need much practice to be good, but that's too little right now. Fortunately, Korea is around the corner so the timing isn't that bad. Yeah, HerO is a huge challenge for him in great form, and he isn't in great form. I said that one day, the music is going to end for Stephano - is this going to be that day? Are you implying that if Stephano loses to Hero his career is over -- or that he's no longer an elite player? It's idiotic to suggest that a loss to Hero would imply some sort of failing on the part of any Zerg. DRG just got spanked by Hero in the IPL imports tournament so perhaps, if you're suggesting that losing to Hero means you're done, you should alert DRG's fans to the fact that "music has ended" for DRG, if you haven't already. Also, since you're not a fan of Stephano, why do you bother posting in this fanclub? By the sycophantic definition of fandom, I am not a fan of any player, because I refuse to be a sychophant who gives players a pass whenever they lose / make mistakes, and who over hypes them at the cost of objectivity. Yet, I do think I am a fan of Stephano, because I have a special attachment to his play and character and will tune in to events that he attends specifically to watch him play and to root for him - which is the better definition of fandom, in my opinion. But whether you think I'm a fan, it has no bearing on posting in the fanclub because the way TL fanclubs operate, they are discussion threads for individual players, and because what I'm saying is specific to Stephano, it belongs nowhere else. With that out of the way, I am not saying that if Stephano loses to HerO his career is over. Rather, I am musing on whether this is going to be the beginning of a slump for Stephano. His refusal to practice ZvZ - and inability to practice hard towards addressing his weaknesses - was bound to bite him, and I have been observing declines in his play from about 2-3 months prior. Presently speaking, I don't think he's ready for HerO, and failing in the first round of NASL is not going to do well for his confidence. Furthermore, with no time in between NASL finals, IEM quals, and MLG Summer Arena, he won't have an opportunity to regain his form after it. It has all the setup of an incoming slump period, and with it the end of his reputation of being the best NA / EU player. That is what I'm talking about when I say that the music is ending - Stephano gets a pass in a lot of areas because he is the best NA / EU player. He is able to, for example, forfeit tournaments repeatedly without losing his sponsorship, and without tournament organizers banning him from their events. When he streams, he is able to get >9000 viewers. All of this is because he is the best, and that is the reputation he has to maintain for the music and the parties to continue. You're simply pointlessly negative, which is your right, but if you believe you see serious flaws in Stephano's play of late when he has the third best Elo and has performed better, on average, than everyone else in the past two months in international events you're simply uninformed, or alternatively if you're not uninformed, an idiot. It goes without saying that his play is not perfect and that he should practice more but then again if he has serious problems in his play he wouldn't win have a 70%+ win rate in 2012 in the most competitive foreign events. If nothing else SCII has proven that no one rules forever -- not MVP, not MMA, not Nestea, etc. -- everyone eventually slumps, so if you keep saying that about Stephano you're bound to be right. Then you can brag to everyone, when he eventually enters a rough stretch, about how you called it 3 months ago in Stephano's fanclub, when (almost) everyone else was blithely celebrating his achievements, completely and inexecusably unaware of his impending demise. Finally if Idra is any indication, international fans tend to be loyal to players even when they perform poorly for long periods so I wouldn't expect a mass exodus in the event he does "slump" (which many in this fanclub seem to equate with not simply not winning a major tournament, regardless of how well he does in the tournament).
I don't think I'm uninformed or an idiot about Stephano's play at all. Seeing flaws in his play is not equivalent to saying that he's bad. He has great ELO, yes, but so does Kas and Titan - and nobody thinks these players are the best in the world.
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He has great ELO, yes, but so does Kas and Titan
100 point difference.
it's the difference between top 5 in the world, and top 15.
note : never look at the Korean only or non-korean only Elo, always look at the big picture, with everybody. Tennis player dont have another ranking system just for some nation...
They got an ELO corresponding to their level of play. they are definitly top tier player.
Stephano, was 1 elo rank for month... right when you say he played badly. maybe all other play even more badly ?
In any sport, when someone is ranking first, usually we say it's the best in the world... no ?
The point is, you come here and say " he play bad, he will play more bad soon" " I foretell you that someday he's gonna loose". the reality is, that HIS variance in result is smaller than any other, that's why he still is in the top ELO rank.
Nerchio always perform well in online cup, and make a great result in HSC, so he gain some places, but will he stay first for month ?
DRG with today's win will surely pass the actual top 3 korean ELO. and he may stay on top for a way more long period than Symbol or Squirtle.
or at least look at the ELO peak ranking :
1 MPK
2 MVP
3 Stephano
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On July 12 2012 20:54 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 10:49 The_Darkness wrote:On July 12 2012 06:59 Azarkon wrote:On July 12 2012 05:00 The_Darkness wrote:On July 12 2012 02:54 Azarkon wrote:On July 12 2012 02:41 a3den wrote:On July 12 2012 01:58 Khonsou wrote:
Well, I hope he gets his sh*t together because he didn't look scary at all the last couple of time his games were shown. I agree, for the first time in a long time, I feel like he's gonna get bodied at NASL & MLG Summer. Too much travel takes its toll, and I know he says he doesn't need much practice to be good, but that's too little right now. Fortunately, Korea is around the corner so the timing isn't that bad. Yeah, HerO is a huge challenge for him in great form, and he isn't in great form. I said that one day, the music is going to end for Stephano - is this going to be that day? Are you implying that if Stephano loses to Hero his career is over -- or that he's no longer an elite player? It's idiotic to suggest that a loss to Hero would imply some sort of failing on the part of any Zerg. DRG just got spanked by Hero in the IPL imports tournament so perhaps, if you're suggesting that losing to Hero means you're done, you should alert DRG's fans to the fact that "music has ended" for DRG, if you haven't already. Also, since you're not a fan of Stephano, why do you bother posting in this fanclub? By the sycophantic definition of fandom, I am not a fan of any player, because I refuse to be a sychophant who gives players a pass whenever they lose / make mistakes, and who over hypes them at the cost of objectivity. Yet, I do think I am a fan of Stephano, because I have a special attachment to his play and character and will tune in to events that he attends specifically to watch him play and to root for him - which is the better definition of fandom, in my opinion. But whether you think I'm a fan, it has no bearing on posting in the fanclub because the way TL fanclubs operate, they are discussion threads for individual players, and because what I'm saying is specific to Stephano, it belongs nowhere else. With that out of the way, I am not saying that if Stephano loses to HerO his career is over. Rather, I am musing on whether this is going to be the beginning of a slump for Stephano. His refusal to practice ZvZ - and inability to practice hard towards addressing his weaknesses - was bound to bite him, and I have been observing declines in his play from about 2-3 months prior. Presently speaking, I don't think he's ready for HerO, and failing in the first round of NASL is not going to do well for his confidence. Furthermore, with no time in between NASL finals, IEM quals, and MLG Summer Arena, he won't have an opportunity to regain his form after it. It has all the setup of an incoming slump period, and with it the end of his reputation of being the best NA / EU player. That is what I'm talking about when I say that the music is ending - Stephano gets a pass in a lot of areas because he is the best NA / EU player. He is able to, for example, forfeit tournaments repeatedly without losing his sponsorship, and without tournament organizers banning him from their events. When he streams, he is able to get >9000 viewers. All of this is because he is the best, and that is the reputation he has to maintain for the music and the parties to continue. You're simply pointlessly negative, which is your right, but if you believe you see serious flaws in Stephano's play of late when he has the third best Elo and has performed better, on average, than everyone else in the past two months in international events you're simply uninformed, or alternatively if you're not uninformed, an idiot. It goes without saying that his play is not perfect and that he should practice more but then again if he has serious problems in his play he wouldn't win have a 70%+ win rate in 2012 in the most competitive foreign events. If nothing else SCII has proven that no one rules forever -- not MVP, not MMA, not Nestea, etc. -- everyone eventually slumps, so if you keep saying that about Stephano you're bound to be right. Then you can brag to everyone, when he eventually enters a rough stretch, about how you called it 3 months ago in Stephano's fanclub, when (almost) everyone else was blithely celebrating his achievements, completely and inexecusably unaware of his impending demise. Finally if Idra is any indication, international fans tend to be loyal to players even when they perform poorly for long periods so I wouldn't expect a mass exodus in the event he does "slump" (which many in this fanclub seem to equate with not simply not winning a major tournament, regardless of how well he does in the tournament). I don't think I'm uninformed or an idiot about Stephano's play at all. Seeing flaws in his play is not equivalent to saying that he's bad. He has great ELO, yes, but so does Kas and Titan - and nobody thinks these players are the best in the world.
Stephano's Elo was #1 overall (including Koreans) for most of the past two months and is now #3. Kas is #20 nad Titan is ranked slightly below him. I don't think anyone is confusing the #20 player in the world with being the best in the world. Also since you're implicitly trying to undermine the Elo ranking system since it completely undermines all of your preposterous, off-base pessimism about Stephano's play, I'll note that Kas is ranked #20 in the world because he's recently taken series off Hyun, Symbol and Nerchio. Elo is actually a much better measure of how good someone is than most people's subjective impressions are, especially people like you, who generally jump to unsubstantiated conclusions based on extremely unrepresentative data -- I saw so and so at MLG and he lost a series against so and so and is therefore terrible, or so and so got supply blocked three times; he won; but he'll never win against such and such korean; so and so's transition to brood lords in game 4 just shows that so and so does not understand the current metagame, etc. You are what I would term the "critical nerd". Critical nerds equate being relentlessly negative with actual knowledge of SC2 and being better able than other happier go lucky nerds at predicting results.
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On July 12 2012 23:14 The_Darkness wrote:
the critical nerd is often silver league, thinks he knows everything about the game and that his input is the truth itself. Deep inside he thinks that he should be master league, but he's silver because of all the noob cheese on the ladder and because the other race are OP in 1V1.
Don't worry i am not speaking about you azarkon, just about the typical critical and pessimistic nerd.
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How can you even mention that ELO bshit? What relevance does it have? is Nerchio the best foreigner if i see him in nr.1 spot right now?I can name you at least 10 other foreigners who would roflstomp him at any moment. Stop mentioning that useless ranking system. It has no purpose what so ever.
I see most of the fans like to keep their rainbow glasses on and avoid looking at the true and hard facts.
Stephano didn't become famous because he used to finish 5th-6th in most major tournaments. He became famous because he used to WIN major tournaments. Supporting his inability to win anything major for half a year now seems dumb in my eyes.
Also I can't understand how most ppl don't notice just how much his mechanics droped in quality due to the extensive lack of practice . Missing injects? Forgetting to spread creep? Bad micro?
To me it seems like he just got bored of everything, he doesn't even care about his play and performances anymore.
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